Talk:Goo Hara

Requested move 22 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: Remove retracted by requester.  DanielleTH  (Say hi!) 17:11, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Goo Hara → Goo Ha-ra – WP:NCKO states that, as Korean names can be romanized a number of ways, Wikipedia uses the dashed version for standarization purposes. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 07:59, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). – Ammarpad (talk) 10:48, 22 December 2019 (UTC)


 * WP:NCKO's condition is "if there is no personal preference, and no established English spelling." Sawol (talk) 08:25, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved this to contested. Would you say there's an established English spelling? I don't believe Goo ever established a spelling of her name, through self-romanization or otherwise. DanielleTH  (Say hi!) 08:28, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I would say her personal preference seemed to be Hara, not Ha-ra. Her instagram account uses “HARA”. Alex (talk) 15:58, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm, yup that makes sense, I agree then. Requested move retracted. DanielleTH  (Say hi!) 17:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC)


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Undue weight on death in the lead section?
At the moment, about two-thirds of the lead section focuses on Goo Hara's death. To me this seems inappropriate for a number of reasons, but in terms of Wikipedia standards, I believe the section has gone awry of MOS:LEADREL. The second paragraph in particular is heavy on specific details, all of which are covered in the body of the article; and in turn, a few key points from the article's body could be summarized in the lead, but at the moment aren't given much weight, if any. For example, Hara's hosting roles and solo tour are both absent in the lead, and her participation in Kara has only a passing mention.

Perhaps this need to be re-balanced? peppy (talk) 12:05, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Summary basic info
I am looking for consensus from users that contributed to the talk page @Shushugah @Robertsky @Peppyluscious

I don't understand why the summary goes into extensive details of the law aftermath of her suicide while giving very little of the basic facts that preceeded it. This gives the readers little margins and subsequent reading material to understand such a complex situation.

1) I would like to shorten the law aftermath paragraphs. Also note that the petitions were not limited to molka but also refered to revenge porn more generally.

2) I would add another one that states "Goo suiceded in xxx. Following the suicide multiple possible causes were highlighted : general social pressures, strict moral standards reserved to idols in South Korea, isolation as a soloist, long sordid legal battle with her ex, the involvement of her friend Choi Jong-hoon in the Kakao chatrooms, the suicide of her close friend Sulli."

Just a rough sketch. There are many reliable sources to support this: https://abcnews.go.com/International/deaths-goo-hara-sulli-highlight-tremendous-pressures-pop/story?id=67303374 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/28/world/asia/k-pop-suicide-goo-hara.html (https://www.pressreader.com/malaysia/the-star-malaysia/20240508/281874418492235) https://www.mk.co.kr/en/society/11019563 https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/entertainment/article/3039159/k-pop-singer-goo-haras-death-less-six-weeks-after-her-k-pop

What do you think? Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 18:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)