Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea

Rewrote March 1st Movement
I'm a month or two late for the holiday, but rewrote this article. If anyone can upload more photos of the event, particularly ones good for the infobox, that'd be appreciated (I can't as an IP user). 104.232.119.107 (talk) 06:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to the 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest
Hello, everyone! I'd like to invite you all to sign up for the upcoming 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. The event runs from July 1 to September 30 and signups close on July 15. The WikiContest focuses on developing countries, which they have included North Korea within. The intention is to improve the English Wikipedia's coverage and comprehension of articles related to developing countries. For this reason, you may also expect that articles related to the North Korea may be heavily edited during the contest. More information on how points will be awarded can be found at 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Scoring. For comments or suggestions, please don't hesitate to reach out to Wikipedia talk:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. Thank you! (Copied with the permission of Chlod) CMD (talk) 12:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

List of K-pop concerts held outside Asia
Now that sadly this extremely useful article was deleted, how to provide this information instead? It sounds like we're now forced to include it in each artist's article instead, and perhaps add tracking categories by year under Category:Lists of concert tours of South Korean artists? Nemo 15:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * So for example for Europe it could be something like Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists (88 additions). This doesn't cover the individual performances and the articles often don't mention the exact dates and venues; the list article also had more references than the individual articles. Many more tours touched the USA or Canada and could go under equivalent categories under Category:Concert tours of North America. Nemo 16:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Those categories could be useful if the tours are notable enough to have their own article, but putting the articles about the artists (not the tours) into those categories doesn't make sense because they are people/groups, not tours. Gottagotospace (talk) 19:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I understand the concern, hence I only added the category to articles where the tour was mentioned explicitly. As for the naming of the categories, I think that's minor aspect which can be fixed.
 * A traditional way to handle it is to have a redirect from the tour name to the main article, and add the category to the redirect. The advantage of this method is that it's possible to redirect to a specific section of the main article, but it still feels a bit clunky to me.
 * Personally I'd prefer a way to name the categories in a sufficiently neutral name which can apply to the artist articles as well. For example we could name them all after the parent category Category:Lists of concert tours of South Korean artists, like Category:Lists of concert tours of South Korean artists in Europe in 2017 etc. The articles about the artists are also lists of their tours and other works, unless these were split to other articles. Nemo 19:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I saw you made some categories called "South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in [insert year]", which does at least solve the "people/groups aren't tours" problem. However, I think that adding categories like that to an artist's page is overdoing it. In my opinion, pages already tend to have too many categories, and a piece of information about the fact that they went on tour in Europe in [insert year] doesn't need to be put in a category, especially because some K-pop artists go to Europe super often and then they'll end up with like 10 categories about their European concerts on the artist's page. If the tour is notable enough to have its own article, then I support having the page for the tour be in a category about K-pop concert tours in Europe in a certain year, but otherwise I think it's kind of silly.
 * The points made by some of the editors in the deletion discussion for List of K-pop concerts held outside Asia are factoring into my opinion as well. In particular, a couple people made points that K-pop has become so popular and global now that tons of K-pop groups perform outside of Asia, and do so relatively frequently. So the fact that they're having concerts in Europe is not particularly notable. Gottagotospace (talk) 19:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. I saw that Nemo has been adding Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2018 and what not to various articles and I don't think its a good idea. I think a better way to organize this would be simply adding the tour articles itself to Category:Concert tours of Europe, not the articles of the artists. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  20:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Adding to it that those recently created cats are WP:OVERCAT and falls under WP:OCYEAR and WP:OVERLAPCAT.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   20:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:BRD is clearly not aheld to, you WP:BOLD ahead and was evidently reverted earlier on BLP articles, and now you discuss instead of disruptively bolding ahead again to illustrate a point. I also don't see any consensus for re-bolding.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  01:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * These categories have been nominated for deletion at Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 21. Liz Read! Talk! 01:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Help request
Mental health in South Korea is in significant need of expansion. I just gave it a revision to combine redundant info and regroup/reorder topics, but it's still relatively sparse. If you can help out, please do. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 05:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Culture ministry to update Wikipedia entries on Korea, enhance national image with AI
We'll see what happens, I guess. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Agreed... I hope they consulted the Wikimedia Foundation about this and understand Wikipedia's editing policies well. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 07:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Is K-Pop a music genre?
Due to my edits on quite a lot of articles of K-Pop songs being removed most of them saying K-Pop isn't a genre. I believe it is and I want to provide a consensus across Wikipedia if it is.

From what I know, the first known open discussion about this is made by me at Talk:K-pop and one at Talk:Ddu-du Ddu-Du#Is K-Pop a music genre?

If this discussion gets too big, maybe it could it a WikiProject if it works like that too. —Tonkarooson (talk) 00:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Missing infobox cleanup tool (category) for Korean articles?
Anyone has any idea why we are missing the following tool for Korea - linking Chinese here as examples of functionality that (and many other projects) have: Category:China articles without infoboxes.

There is no Category:Korea articles without infoboxes :( Piotrus at Hanyang&#124; reply here 03:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Wife ((G)I-dle song)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Wife ((G)I-dle song) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   04:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Excessive info about wars in place articles
A quote from the article about the SK government and Wikipedia has made me think recently. When searching for Korea-related information on travel information platforms, one often encounters topics such as the demilitarized zone (DMZ) tourism, while the rich and diverse aspects of Korean culture and society remain largely overlooked. My feelings on the article are mixed, but this quote made me notice a pattern I hadn't fully processed before.

Some articles for Korea about places and things are I think unfairly bleak reading. I think it's because we have a disproportionate number of people interested in Korea's wars (particularly the Korean War) and in little else about Korea, which has led to a sharp imbalance that unfairly hurts Korea's image.

I almost feel like this is a case of WP:BLP. Hypothetically, if you had a small village with a tragic past but people still living there today, do they really deserve to have 70% of their article be about war and death, when they've done so much else before and after that? Yes, the info is true; Korea's recent history was bleak. If there was lots of other non-war info presented in each article, it wouldn't be an issue. But at present so many articles make Korea look like a still-smouldering crater, which is far from the truth.

I'm going to make a point of trying to balance out this kind of info going forward; please join me in it if you can. Again, we of course want to preserve the truth and provide enough tools for people to do more reading about the dark topics without harping on them. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 09:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * A further thought; part of this is influenced by English-language coverage of Korea, which also tends to fixate on Korea's tragic past. Drama sells books and gets views in the news.
 * Korean-language coverage is of course much more varied. This is another reason why more Korean speakers are needed on Enwiki. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 08:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In your opinion, which category of articles are most in need of attention? I can help with Korean sourcing and translation since I'm pretty confident in both languages. 00101984hjw (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Pages with excess dark info I think fortunately tend to have low pageviews, so I think this overall doesn't worry me too much.
 * Speaking in general, Top/High importance pages for the WikiProject need a lot of attention. Any page you choose from there would be great to work on.
 * Among them, I think Sejong the Great and Yi Sun-sin are especially important and actually somewhat doable to fix. I feel like someone just needs to have 2-3 solid academic books (should be some in English), and then they can scrap the old articles almost entirely and do their own rewrites. Both articles are poor enough that a good complete rewrite would be defensible I think. Basically what I did for March First Movement.
 * Those tasks are quite big though. Other top level pages are easier tasks. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 11:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think one of the problems we have for these articles is that Sejong and Yi happen to be the two most famous Korean folk heroes, and many Korean books and articles about them are written in a very subjective, narrative manner. I don't live near a library, but I can certainly look up for more academic studies in DBpia.
 * btw Great job on the March first movement article. Looks amazing. 00101984hjw (talk) 16:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks 🙂 211.43.120.242 (talk) 15:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Another important one: Seoul. The article has a bunch of unsourced and dated claims that can easily be cited. It also could use more peer reviewed scholarly sources to replace low quality ones. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 11:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Redoing the Sejong article
I'm trying to redo the Sejong the Great article, and would appreciate some help.

Things I need help with:


 * 1) Does anyone know of any biographies on Sejong that are considered authoritative/essential? I'm mostly seeing stuff meant for casual readers when I search... I want whatever dry books historians use.
 * 2) Can anyone find and upload a new infobox image for the page? See Talk:Sejong the Great.
 * 3) Fact checking. I'm a newbie to pre-19th century Joseon history.

211.43.120.242 (talk) 11:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Converting full-width punctuation and currency symbols in horizontal text
Greetings! Over the past few years, there have been no objections to converting Latin letters and Arabic numerals to ASCII from their full-width forms when they appear in horizontal Chinese, Korean, or Japanese text. I've raised it on MOS and Wikiproject talk pages and made many cleanup edits to articles. I'm making a push to finish that cleanup, and I've been noticing that punctuation, currency symbols, and spaces have the same problem. It looks weird to have the full-width versions mixed in, and they sometimes leak into English-language text. My plan was to start converting punctuation and currency symbols in horizontal text (except where the characters themselves are being discussed) when the July 1 database dump becomes available in a week or two. If you have any questions, objections, concerns, or suggestions, please let me know! Open-circle full stop is not included; the affected characters are: ＂ ＃ ＄ ％ ＆ ＇ ＊ ＋ － ／ ＠ ＼ ＾ ＿ ｀ ￠ ￥ ￦ ＜ ＝ ＞ ｜ ￤ and the space character. -- Beland (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Uploaded image guide on project page
On the main WikiProject page, I added a subsection to "resources" that serves as a guide for images. Please feel free to add more websites/advice to this list. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 09:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Unequal treaty
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Unequal treaty that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Remsense 诉  18:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Reference formatting proposal
I posted a proposal on how to handle Hangul names in references at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles. This proposal would have a significant impact on Korea-related pages, so please discuss if interested. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 01:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I have more proposals for the MOSKO/NCKO; some of these are relatively uncontroversial so I expect them to pass quicker. After the current proposal concludes I'll try to bundle some uncontroversial modifications together as a package to reduce discussion bloat/fatigue. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 01:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Drafts
There's a sizeable backlog of draft articles waiting to be evaluated if anyone's willing to go through them. I've also contributed a good chunk of these recently lol 211.43.120.242 (talk) 16:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Cha Eun-woo § Listing of "model" as a profession
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Cha Eun-woo § Listing of "model" as a profession, which is within the scope of this WikiProject.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  06:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

List of South Korean girl groups has an RfC
List of South Korean girl groups, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.

No kid zone
Hi, I'd appreciate if an experienced editor familiar with Korean could take a look at Template:Did you know nominations/No kid zone. An IP recently added a bunch of Korean-language sources and I wish to assume good faith, but I'm unsure of their reliability since I don't speak the language. A second opinion would be greatly appreciated. Clovermoss 🍀 (talk) 12:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources should hopefully help. The sources I added should already have been Wikilinked too; almost all the sources each have their own articles.
 * I'm User:Toobigtokale (contribs) btw; on my old account I had around 77,000 edits and I think 5 or 6 GAs. Samples of my work: March First Movement and 1883 Korean special mission to the United States.
 * I welcome others to review my additions. Sorry if I stepped on any toes when editing the article. The topic is on a sensitive area for South Koreans, and wanted to contribute more South Korean perspectives and context to it before it appears on the front page. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * For me, the added Korean-language sources are reliable per WP:KO/RS. You could also use this user script to know which sources are reliable or not.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   14:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, I appreciate everyone chipping in here. :) Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 14:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

White Shirts Society has an RfC
White Shirts Society has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Emiya1980 (talk) 04:45, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Yuna Kim A-class assessment
Hello everyone, WikiProject Figure Skating has just started doing A-class assessments. Our first article submitted for review is Yuna Kim, and we're in need of a third reviewer. Here's the link to the assessment: WikiProject Figure Skating/Assessment/Yuna Kim. The assistance of any member of this project would be muchly appreciated. You don't have to necessarily be a figure skating expert (although that would help, of course), but you should at least be knowledgeable about editing and contributing to Wikipedia. Thanks to all and best. Editor120918756 (talk) 06:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:My Cute Guys
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:My Cute Guys that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 08:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Shamoji
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Shamoji that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 11:47, 19 July 2024 (UTC)