Talk:Gorn

Untitled
Most of this is not canon. pomegranate 21:54, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC) Who cares? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Canon
"The Gorn are highly intelligent reptilians from the Beta Quadrant in the fictional realm of Star Trek. They made first contact with Starfleet at Cestus III when a misunderstanding nearly led to war. The Gorn made their first appearance in the Star Trek: The Original Series episode Arena."

This is ALL that is canon.

...except for that canon the Gorn captain used against Kirk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.232.220.2 (talk) 23:15, 8 November 2004 (UTC)

I have reorganized this to indicate that most of it is fanon speculation. See WikiProject Star Trek for the Wikipedia "rule of thumb" when it comes to dealing with canon and fanon in the Star Trek articles. 23skidoo 05:25, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Attribution
Merged in material from "Gorn Confederation", which now redirects here. bd2412 T 19:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Fanon speculation
I removed the paragraph on "Fanon speculation". Such material has no place in an encyclopedia. --Marcg106 22:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Other Appearances
In the computer game "Star Trek Elite Force 2", there are a couple of traders who talk about a Gorn hissing and buying stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.81.250.132 (talk) 23:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible Plagarism
Much of the information under "Gorn in the Star Fleet Universe" Appears almost word for word in the Star Fleet Battles game instruction manual. I recommend that htis section be overhauled, perhaps with a description of the general characteristics of their ships. LordShonus (talk) 07:29, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Monty Python
what about the usage of the word "gorn" in M.P. ? its a woody word. unlike "tin" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.239.210.117 (talk) 10:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that wasn't "gorm"?Salvar (talk) 19:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Multiple issues
''The Gorn have become one of the most popular hypothetical bioforms to appear on Star Trek, due to the striking design by artist Wah Chang, and the Gorn's memorable personality. A hissing, slow-moving, but lethal beast, the Gorn captain is also shown to be quite cunning and devious; chuckling wickedly to himself as he sets a trap for Kirk, and later promising that if the captain gives himself up, the Gorn will make his death "merciful and quick". "Arena" is also considered one of the series' classic episodes.''

I tagged this article as having multiple issues. The quoted paragraph above smacks of original research, puffery, and a tone suitable for an encyclopedia (more like fanfic). Primogen (talk) 22:54, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Gorn Hostility
My read on the Star Trek history indicates the initial confrontation in 'Arena' was due to the trouble the Gorn had with the Romulans and how much Humans resemble them.

Can someone comment on that? 68.97.211.246 (talk) 01:35, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 10 September 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. While that in itself may indicate WP:NOPRIMARY, exactly that was point of contention, with many participants reasonably claiming that the Star Trek race is primary despite relative obscurity. No such user (talk) 11:12, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Gorn → Gorn (Star Trek) – Currently there is WP:NOPRIMARY with Gorn (video game). A little known fictional alien species cannot be said to be the obvious primary topic. I would then make Gorn into a disambiguation page, also containing Gorn (surname). I am making this a move discussion as it was attempted to be moved in the past but reverted. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC) ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support per nomination. There are four people surnamed "Gorn" who are sufficiently notable to have Wikipedia articles, the infrequently-seen aliens from Star Trek and the video game that is unrelated to Star Trek. A base name disambiguation page seems the most intuitive solution for all three entries. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 11:26, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, DAB at base name.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The Star Trek alien, while not huge, is actually reasonably notable, getting 100-150 views per day (https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=Gorn|Gorn_(video_game)|Lev_Gorn ).  The video game article was just created two days ago but it appears to be an exceptionally minor indie game (and leans heavily on primary sources + short reviews) and highly unlikely to ever matter for more than 0-10 views a day.  Most of the people with surname Gorn are fairly minor, but Lev Gorn has pageviews comparable to the Star Trek alien race...  except what percentage of the views for Lev Gorn search him up via last name only?  Unless it's half the pageviews or more (unlikely), the current article titles are  fine.  SnowFire (talk) 00:48, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per SnowFire. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:04, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. The stats per SnowFire demonstrate that the Star Trek alien is not primary per WP:PTOPIC, because it is not much more likely than Lev Gorn to be the subject the reader is searching for.Havelock Jones (talk) 14:29, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I agree with SnowFire's assessment. People searching "Gorn" alone are unlikely to be looking for Lev Gorn. The Star Trek species is the primary topic over the video game. Adumbrativus (talk) 07:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose my first thought was of the Star Trek actor Michael Dorn, which is an indictment that none of these topics are particularly prominent. The Star Trek species appears to be a primary topic over a new video game, and I can't support a move due to a partial title match with Lev Gorn. User:力 (power~enwiki,  π,  ν ) 22:01, 24 September 2021 (UTC)