Talk:Government/Archive 3

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2020
change "with the two main forms being electoral contest and hereditary succession." to "with the three main forms being electoral contest, hereditary succession and Coup d'état."

Add a hyperlink to "Coup d'état" with this wikipedia page "https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat". Thanks Lomaka21 (talk) 11:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: We generally don't link to Simple wiki (it's a different project) when there is a link available English Wiki for the same term. Direct links to other en:wiki articles are created by simply placing the title in double square bracket characters, like this:   which results in Coup d'état.  Secondly, we need reliable sources to support the claim that coups are a "normal" philosophy of obtaining power. Please see the manual of style for lead paragraphs which states that claims in the lead need to be supported by the body text and the suggested edit her is not. I hope this helps.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Little changes
I removed note about colonial companies from lead, it is mostly if not totally thing of the past and many countries has government but never had colonial companies and this is global article covering government in general as one overview. Also 99% of content is about the state goverments.

Also note about libertarianism and anarchism, if it is there then should be added other political ideologies or it is undue weight and promotional. Until than should not stay alone as that. Nubia86 (talk) 18:50, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Islamism
I am curious why Islamism is not considered a form of government by this article. Are there no sources that include Islamism as a form of government? It seems to me that a system this widespread deserves mention, at least as a form of "theocracy".



Is it because Islamism limits the power of the state, so it's not really a "government" and thus falls outside the subject somehow?

(I'm thinking of Islamism in the simplest way possible: a society where the laws and criminal justice system are not a function of the state, most laws are international, the leaders are subject to the rule of law, and the primary means of enforcing the law is through religion (i.e. fear of God's retribution))

On the same thread, why is Saudi Arabia classified here as an "absolute monarchy" when the Saudi family has no power to change the majority of the laws? Isn't it true that the Saudis must (theoretically) act in accordance with sharia? They are not (technically) free to do what they want, thus they are not absolute monarchs. Is that wrong?

Are there any sources that consider these issues? CharlesGillingham (talk) 17:17, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2020
unicorns are real — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.216.217 (talk) 19:00, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Macau and HK should not be listed as one party states
HK and Macau have many many political parties (see political parties of HK and Macau), with no party controlling a majority in both MO and HK's legislature. The 'one-party' description for both of these isnt only just misleading but outright wrong.

--Hkfreedomfighter (talk) 12:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, the map you are commenting on is based on the sourcing at List of countries by system of government. It looks like in that map, Hong Kong and Macau are coloured according to the government system of China. So I suggest you try to establish a consensus for colouring Hong Kong and Macau separately at Talk:List of countries by system of government. - Astrophobe  (talk) 18:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2021
hey 2601:19B:C700:8C9:F0F8:7769:717F:7EA8 (talk) 18:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Zupotachyon (talk) 22:28, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

communism
I would like to restore the description of communism as stateless, classless, etc. The nature of communism as stateless and classless is described in the work of Karl Marx's collaborator, Friedrich Engels' work, Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, where he says "abolishes all class distinction and class antagonisms, abolishes also the State as State. Society, thus far, based upon class antagonisms, had need of the State". Also see O'Hara, Phillip (September 2003). Encyclopedia of Political Economy, Volume 2. Routledge. p. 836. ISBN 0-415-24187-1. "it influenced Marx to champion the ideas of a 'free association of producers' and of self-management replacing the centralized state." I am unsure why this aspect of communism's description was removed from this page in the first place. Shaykh mhssi (talk) 04:19, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure. But be sure too include the description of how a stateless classless currencyless society can have government. government does not equal state. you can have a stateless society and still have government.

Nitish kumar
Nitish kumar 2409:4064:4DC8:ADB8:0:0:C1C8:F40A (talk) 04:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2022
The introduction says "Each government has a kind of constitution". Please change this to "In many countries, the government has a kind of constitution", because most governments throughout history haven't had written constitutions, and some still don't. 122.150.71.249 (talk) 20:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2022 (2)
In my previous request, I forgot to ask that the introduction's reference to "constitution" be linked. The article currently has links to constitutional democracy, constitutional economics, constitutional monarchies, and constitutionalism, but there's no link to constitution anywhere. 122.150.71.249 (talk) 21:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ The required changes have been made. Thank You. Kpddg  (talk)  05:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Portugal has a parliamentary republic not a semi-presidential
The head of state has absolutely no legislative powers and acts as a referee to partisan elected officials as meant to see the nation's well-being as above party or self interests. Andre Manuel Calhegas Morais (talk) 00:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That is exactly the kind of situation that the idea of semi-presidential systems was invented to describe, and Portugal is extremely commonly classified as semi-presidential. - Astrophobe  (talk) 04:53, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

What is a government?
A government is a single person or a committee authorised for making laws, rules and regulations for the country and to look at the welfare of the country. The levels of government include Central level government, State level government and Local level government. 2409:4060:E9A:CDCC:94DE:339A:6AE2:FBB0 (talk) 14:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

The Government (USA) IS a System
A "system" is not just a word, it describes a whole set of definitions that entails and describes it: "A system is a whole that cannot be divided into parts" (Source, Professor Russell Ackoff Lectures) For example, the car is a system. If you take the engine out of the car the car will not be able to fulfill its mission "to transport people and material from one location to another."

What makes it a system? It is the fact that "the essential property (ONE) of the system being discussed, is derived from its parts working together."

If you take the engine out of the car, the car is no longer a car, it cannot do its intended job. The engine is not a car, it cannot do what the car does. None of the essential parts of the car can do what the car does. the engine cannot do what the car does. A car without an engine is no longer a car. It is just the "SUM" of its parts, NOT the "PRODUCT" of them.

The PRODUCT of the car is not the sum of its essential parts; it is its essential parts working together, it is the PRODUCT of them working together.

In the USA the essential parts of the government are three things; 1. The people; 2. The Declaration of Independence; Our "Moral Law." It describes why our people are fighting a war. "The Laws of Nature...God gives us the right to pursue Life, Liberty, and Happiness... 3. The Constitution; The "Law of the Land." It describes how a government is to be formed; how it needs to comport itself; and the rules of engagement between all elements of government (The Executive, The Legislature, Justice, and The People).

Without any of the three elements, the USA would not exist and cannot exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.4.44.113 (talk) 13:28, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

"Single-party government" listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Form of government" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Oral communication
What is goverment 49.145.70.35 (talk) 12:52, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

"System of government" listed at Redirects for discussion
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