Talk:Green Lantern/Archive 1

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Green Lantern Oath
How often does Hal Jordan say this?
 * "In brightest day, in darkest night,
 * no evil shall escape my sight.
 * Let those who worship evil's might,
 * BEWARE MY POWER....Green Lantern's Light."

Should that jingle or slogan or whatever it is, be in the article? I think it's kinda cool. --Ed Poor

Sounds like a great way to start it off! I'm doing this in bits and pieces, so please feel free to add your own stuff. --Modemac

Shouldn't Green Lantern's multimedia appearances be listed somewhere? I would assume most people (since comic readers are a relatively small population) know the character from the "Super Friends" and "Justice League" animated shows. --Kaijan

Should non-Green Lantern characters from the comics (i.e. Pieface, Carol Ferris, Terry) have a section?

I've amended the entry to take note of the fact that despite the similarties between the Corps and the Lensmen, both John Broome and Julie Schwartz denied the connection. (Alter Ego, Vol. 3, No. 10, September 2001, p. 24). See also my USENET post here. --khaosworks 23:29, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Green Lantern/Green Arrow #76 cover
Is that fair use? Shouldn't it be commented as such on the picture? --khaosworks 11:48, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

32K limit
With the page fast approaching 32K limit, I suggest we move all Green Lantern bios to separate pages.--Strannik 17:11, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sinestro: A thought.
Seeing as Green Lantern has ever been about an intergalactic police force that uses as its logo, a Green lantern, and that the Green Lanterns themselves are  sort of police officers;  In their long and illustrious history might it possible that Sinestro, their one and only (so far) failiure was what we in our quaint parlance would call a dirty cop? It would have to be, because in the beginning, Sinestro did something that could be called quite reprehensible- he betrayed and enslaved his own people, people he was pledged to protect as a member of the Green Lantern service...  just a thought...


 * Perhaps in the beginning. But as soon as he got his anti-matter ring and started using it for his own malevolent purposes, he became a supervillain --Strannik 02:22, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yellow Paint Villain?
I remember seeing a trading card years ago for a villain opposing Green Lantern whose powers were essentially that he carried a huge tank of yellow paint with a spray nozzle on his back with which he would coat objects to prevent Green Lantern from affecting them. However, I've had no luck figuring out what his name was. Anyone know if he exists, or if I'm just going crazy in my later years? -Fuzzy 04:21, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Goldbug? --Joe Sewell 20:58, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * The villain I believe is Goldface. --Kchishol1970


 * Probably so. I intend to create at least a stub for him, but for the time being here is a couple of links about the character:  and . Luis Dantas 01:35, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Popularity of shirts with logo
During the rave era people wearing shirts with the green lantern logo were extremely popular. Was there any special meaning behind that?

Vulnerability to wood
The difficulty in providing a cite is that this was not, as far as I can recall, a discrete event. In the beginning the big deal was that Scott's ring could affect metal - they never said it couldn't affect anything else, but that it was pretty good at deflecting knives, bullets, etc. The implication was that it was vulnerable against other substances, as seen in the second story in All-American when he got hit by that sap. Over the course of time, "feature creep" snuck into Scott's powers to the point where the only thing that he couldn't affect was wood. I don't have the GL Archives handy so I can't look up if there was a specific issue where wood all of a sudden became his only vulnerability from then on, but that's how it developed. The statement in the overview (not written by me) is as accurate as you can make it, IMO. --khaosworks July 8, 2005 06:37 (UTC)


 * Not sure if it helps, but I've seen an ish of All-Star Squadron (which I don't have in front of me, so I can't cite) that as much as says "only"; the bad guy turns to wood & he's immune. Trekphiler 10:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Vulnerability to wood
The difficulty in providing a cite is that this was not, as far as I can recall, a discrete event. In the beginning the big deal was that Scott's ring could affect metal - they never said it couldn't affect anything else, but that it was pretty good at deflecting knives, bullets, etc. The implication was that it was vulnerable against other substances, as seen in the second story in All-American when he got hit by that sap. Over the course of time, "feature creep" snuck into Scott's powers to the point where the only thing that he couldn't affect was wood. I don't have the GL Archives handy so I can't look up if there was a specific issue where wood all of a sudden became his only vulnerability from then on, but that's how it developed. The statement in the overview (not written by me) is as accurate as you can make it, IMO, without going into a long discussion as I just have. --khaosworks July 8, 2005 06:38 (UTC)

Demerge
Strannik (17:11, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)) suggested splitting the page up into individual bios.. I think thats not a bad idea.. other opinons? Sunburst 18:49, 2005 August 19 (UTC)

It sounds like a good idea but I also like the whole Green Lantern overview article and think it should be kept on some level. If someone wants more info on one Lantern or other, they can always visit the article specifically about that Lantern.

Villains
I was thinking of adding a list of Green Lantern villains. Should this be a subsection on this page, or should it be a separate list category?


 * Think it should be a new category.. you could add to Green Lantern Corps too. . Sunburst 22:31, 2005 September 6 (UTC)

Power Ring Article
I think that the Power Ring Article should merge into the abilities section of the Green Lantern article. The Power Ring article doesn't say anything that the Green Lantern article doesn't and the Green Lantern article says more. At this point the Power Ring article is redundant.
 * You forgot to sign your post, so I'll make my vote in agreement the first official signed comment in the discussion. :) --Joe Sewell 16:32, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

wiki dates
From time to time, people edit articles to de-wikify dates. The wiki convention is to put year dates in double square brackets, and the same with month day dates. The reasons, however, are different. In the case of years, the purpose is so someone can search what happened in a particular year in a variety of venues. In the case of month day dates, it is so people can configure their computers to show day first or month first as the custom of their country dictates. --Rick_Norwood 08:25 EST, 30 November 2005

Guy Gardner
Alien DNA & ring from Sinestro? I liked him better when he was Bats' practise dummy. ("And I missed it. I'm so depressed.") Trekphiler 10:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Debut
Does Hal's debut get mention I missed? It was Showcase 22. Trekphiler 10:20, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * There's a Hal Jordan article. Lesfer &#9742; 12:45, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeh, I missed it....
 * BTW, I hear there's a green lantern on the front of each NYPD precinct house, after an item carried by colonial watchmen in New Amsterdam... Trekphiler 05:50, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Why was this deleted?
"*Green Lantern appeared in The Flash (TV Series) to fight the Mirror Master."

It should be in the article unless it is incorrect. Rick Norwood 23:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

It is incorrect. That's why it was taken out. - The Dragonmaster 03:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Article Bloat
While I'm impressed with how comprehensive this article is, I feel that continuing to add paragraphs about each Green Lantern is muddliing it's focus. There are literally dozens of Lanterns and not every one deserves space here. There is already a category that indexes them all. Perhaps focusing on the main character Green Lanterns (Kyle, Hal, Alan and maybe John and Guy) and linking to the category for the rest would be better.

Also, wouldn't the individual character writeups be better suited to improving the content of the lesser GL articles? Some of them are woely underformatted and lacking superhero boxes. --sigmafactor 07:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. There is a great deal in this article that should be moved to the individual GL's own page.  Also, every time something important happens in the DC universe, somebody adds that to this article.  Does anyone really believe that the Justice League is gone for good?  The more the comic book universe changes, the more it stays the same. Rick Norwood 13:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I couldn't agree more. Lesfer 16:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * There's not only dozens on Lanterns, there's ATLEAST 3600 at any point in time..(FadeAway123 17:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC))

Could we also pull the multiple references to DJ Green Lantern? I don't think anyone going here would be looking for him, and references on his own page back to here should suffice for reference purposes. PMMJ 21:46 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There are only 2 references to the DJ, one of them as disambiguation at the very top of the article. The other is in the Parodies/References section, which is unnecessarily large.  I highly doubt that a passing reference in The Simpsons, or the fandom of characters in TV shows and novels, qualifies as notable.  Only a handful of references (if that many) belong here, and I'll be happy to pare it down soon.  HalJor 18:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Power Ring
It should be noted that Green Lantern rings do not have any apparent limit regarding capabilities. They seem capable of literally doing anything the various writers of the series need done. As it stands, the article implies that Green Lanterns are limited to creating green colored physical constructs of already existing objects. Power rings seems much more versatile than this.

News at 11
The comic book articles in Wikipedia are not the place to report current developments in the various titles, but rather overall long term trends. The trouble with a breathless report that Superman is dead or that Spider-man has teamed up with Tony Stark is that these things change rapidly, and usually have no lasting impact on the series -- well, maybe the Superman is dead story line had a lasting impact. But the more things change the more they stay the same. The only superhero who died and stayed dead that I can think of is Bucky. Rick Norwood 12:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * And didn't he come back as Winter Soldier? Comicbook death is almost never permanent. -Fuzzy 14:25, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Deadman stayed dead. ¬_¬ - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Where should specificj info on the Power Ring be?
It looks like the whole merge thing is up again.

To start this discussion, how about we move the Green Lantern power and abilities pertaining to the ring while leaving only some info on differences of Scott's, The Corps standard design's and Rayner's ring?--kchishol1970 14:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge it all. The Power Ring article does have some interesting information that may be hard to fit into this article, but the ring is uniquely tied to GL. Unless there's another character that uses a power ring, or the information starts to get out of hand (pun intended), I'd say merge it all into here, but very carefully. --Joe Sewell 16:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * copied your comments to Talk:Power ring (weapon) Exvicious 04:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Should John Stewart get an feature entry with the other lanterns in this article
I was just wondering, considering John Stewart has headlined the Green Lantern series for a significant period of time and has had his own title and has the most extensive other media exposure of any Lantern, does anyone think its time give him equal footing with Scott, Jordan and Rayner?--kchishol1970 03:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I decided to add him in. Any objections?--kchishol1970 04:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Works for me. --Joe Sewell 17:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Doesnt John Stewert have a bigger and better background story? I'm sure theres more to him like allthe other previous Green Lanterns.If there is then there should deffinatly be more written on him there.Hope. 03:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)hope.

Power-Ring of Crime Syndicate of America
Just out of curiosity, why is there no mention of any of the characters who have been known as Power-Ring? I considered adding it to the article but I wanted to check here first and see what the reasoning might be for the omission (and yes I realize Power-Ring has his own entry). Jackbox1971 01:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Family?
The phrase "The Silver Age Green Lantern...was the first DC superhero with a family" strikes me as overly vague. If he was the first to have a wife (I honestly can't remember if he was) then perhaps it should say that. Batman had a family, though they were killed when he was young, and Superman had an adoptive family: those nice Kent people who pulled him out of his spaceship.
 * Hal Jordan was never married. Virtually every character has a family in the parental sense, but I think this point is about siblings, which was uncommon at the time (at least, in the publicly-acknowledged DC universe).  Hal had two brothers, Jack and Jim.  HalJor 21:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

he's also related to the Air Wave. Hal Jordan is Brian Boru is awesome 22:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Stan Lee's Green Lantern
I don't see any reference here, but Stan Lee created his own version of Green Lantern when he wrote his "Just Imagine" stories for DC.

Too Much Trivia?
There are now four points of trivia, and the template is back that this is too many. I agree that some of the points which have been removed really were trivial (e.g. the alleged parallels to The Greatest American Hero), but how can four possibly be too many? If the complaint is that the remaining items aren't noteworthy or should be presented in a different manner, that's a point for discussion. But putting the TMT tag (which explicitly states "...is too large") on a four-item list doesn't seem appropriate. HalJor 21:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Any trivia section is too much. If the facts are worth keeping, incorporate them elsewhere in the article. No sense having a section devoted to random factoids. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I moved the trivia information to Other Superheroes who Portrayed Green Lantern. --Happylobster 19:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Behind the Eight Ball, HAL
Daniels' DC Comics claims Gil based the app of Hal Jordan on Paul Newman... Trekphiler 10:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Film
This section not only was completely uncited, but appeared to even have the rumors wrong. According to Jack Black in this report of an Entertainment Weekly interview with him, the actor wants to play Green Lantern, but at this point it's all just talk &mdash; like a million other things movie writers, directors, actors and studios want to do. We can't report on every actor's wish-list. As for the Smigel thing, if it's true, please provide a citation. --Tenebrae 17:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Some more explanation..
So, Hal is back. And Green Lantern Rebirth tells all about important things we should know.


 * The color yellow and why it affects the Green Lanterns.


 * Who Parallax ACTUALLY is.


 * What's going on with Spectre and Hal.


 * Why Hal destroyed the power source and all that lovely stuff on OA.


 * What's special about Kyle and why he was picked. (FadeAway123 17:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC))

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Hate Crime
This article does not mention Green Lantern episode #137 involving a gay hate crime which earned an award from the GLAAD organization.


 * Took a stab at it. joshschr 17:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Archived talk page
I have archived most of the talk page, considering there was sections dating back to 2004. Anakinjmt 20:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

How to defeat Green Lantern
There should be a comment in this about how to defeat Green Lantern.

This is from an old episode - see below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMLBAvXPqQs& —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grelb (talk • contribs) 04:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You need the color yellow, what more do you need? Besides, that's a TV show, and in general, this is about the comic's version. What works in TV doesn't always work in the comics. Anakinjmt (talk) 18:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The TV shows are often based on the general stuff of the comics, but the details sometimes get blurred. Herro440 (talk) 16:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, the yellow weakness is no longer a problem for most Green Lanterns. It's not a rookie failsafe. They have to "overcome" their weakness (the yellow impurity is from an entity of fear, so essentially they overcome their fears.)

Yellow was an issue in the comics too – At one point Oliver Queen gave Hal Jordan a very hard time until he stopped moping about accidently destroying a planet when trying to protect it from a renegade asteroid belt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.243.214.160 (talk) 13:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It is already mentioned in the article that yellow was a weakness but that it has now been overcome. This issue has been resolved EximiusNero (talk) 00:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

book of oa
Shouldn't there be a page for the Book of Oa? Herro440 (talk) 18:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Other ring-wearers
Is it really not notable to cover who else has worn a power ring..? I would have thought it of note. ntnon (talk) 16:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Citation Added
I made a minor edit to the movie section to include a citation for the Variety announcement. I don't know if more recent news has developed on that front, however. I also cleaned up the description a bit. RS (talk) 07:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

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 * Done. There are real problems with "Green Lantern oath" where the whole section is flagged as needing more references and "Green Lantern parodies/references" which is always a danger in any article as it is wide open to unreferenced lists, original research and trivia bloat (all of which could be levelled at that section). That said the whole article could do with more inline references, those are just the major problems. (Emperor (talk) 03:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC))
 * Also, I'd like to note that there is a very confusing line in the parodies/references section. "Although the Squadron Sinister Dr. Spectrum preceded the Squadron Supreme version in appearance, the former is considered the original as the latter was revealed to be just a copy." This is either redundant ("Although" implies one would not EXPECT the earlier one to come first) or inaccurate (former means the first, latter means the last.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.221.98.132 (talk) 18:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Cancelation
"After World War II, when sales of superhero comic books generally declined, DC ceased publishing new adventures of the Alan Scott Green Lantern" May be assuming a reason for cancelation not necessarily so. Also at this time, super heroes in general declined. I sold it so I don't have the issue to quote from exactly but Secret Origins mentioned how Alan Scott rescued a german shepherd named Max who promptly returned the favor by stealing his comic book from him. RDM99 (unable to log in) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.156.219 (talk) 03:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Lensman
I don't see any mention of the Lensman series or the Galactic Patrol (Lensman Corps) in this article or the Green Lantern Corps article. Seeing as the Lensman universe appears to have influenced the Silver Age Green Lantern shouldn't there at least be one reference at the start of these articles? --68.81.70.65 (talk) 11:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC) The writer and artist team behind the SOS Green Lantern story and the GLC concept (Broome and Kane) reportedly denied ever being influenced by Lensmen. So if Lensman is to be mentioned at all as an influence then someone should provide a qoute from the creators or some evidence to back it up, other than speculation. --Andrew Filipe (talk) 03:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I was going to leave a comment about the same subject, the concept is clearly a derivative work based on the Lensman series... --213.22.5.71 (talk) 20:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Image Use in this Article
All the images on this page have been removed becuase the cover art is not being discussed. This however is not the policy of the fair use license. For reference here is a copy of that license.

Nowhere does it state that cover art itself has to the topic of discussion in the article to permit fair use. In fact it specifically states that the use of such images is permitted to illustrate a specific issue, the group(s) or character(s), or a scene/storyline being discussed. I move that most (I am okay with the removal of images of characters that have their own main articles) of these images be returned. -TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:31, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Two things:
 * There is going to have the be some discussion and consensus before we start ripping out all of the covers/images from within the articles.
 * Stripping the infobox image is close to pointy editing.
 * - J Greb (talk) 21:48, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Simply put, you don't need the All-American Comics and Showcase covers to indicate that that's where Alan Scott and Hal Jordan first appeared, which is what they are currently being used for. You can do that just fine in prose. In fact, it's already handled that way. Currently the images do not have a sufficient fair-use rationale because the imagery itself is not a point of discussion and the iamges are merely decorative. For examples on how to use non-free images in a character article, see Khan Noonien Singh (which uses only two), Jack Sparrow (two again), and Jason Voorhies (a few more, but notice how they aid the text).

Also, that template alone does not establish fair use. Read the bottom; you need to add a sufficient fair use rationale to the image page. Also see Non-free content criteria. WesleyDodds (talk) 12:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned here, I tend to agree that there are limited reasons for including "first appearance" covers in article text. The question here becomes is there anything in that first section, or that can be added to it, that needs the covers for enhanced understanding. I'm starting to think the answer is "No."
 * And you are correct, TriiipleThreat should be looking at the "Fair Use Rationale" on each image to see if someone has fine tuned the reason for use. - J Greb (talk) 15:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Well if the concensus is that there is not enough fair use rationale (though I disagree, the significance of those images alone should warrant there use) to support the use of these images then by ll means remove them.-TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)