Talk:Greene King/Archive 1

Introduction
Greene King is the UK's largest pub retailer and brewer, rather than just a brewery. Independent source: The Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/13/ftse-giants-line-up-to-tempt-school-leavers-with-apprentice-jobs/
 * done Dormskirk (talk) 23:03, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Given that the opening line of the entry has been updated to 'largest pub retailer and brewer', and given that Greene King's approach to acquisitions is mentioned in the 'criticism' section' then the line 'Through a series of takeovers, it has become one of the largest breweries in the UK' is perhaps no longer necessary here?
 * deleted. Dormskirk (talk) 23:30, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

The sentence 'The company owns pubs and hotels' is somewhat innacurate. Greene King actually owns restaurants as well as pubs and hotels - examples include its Hungry Horse, Farmhouse Inns and Flame Grill brands. Source: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/business-news/medlock-toasts-56m-contract-wins-11085058 and http://imbibe.com/news-articles/drinks/greene-king-to-take-on-10000-apprentices/
 * adjusted. Dormskirk (talk) 23:30, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Could I request that the Chairman is now updated to Philip Yea? Tim Bridge resigned from his post some time ago. - Imbibe covered the news: http://imbibe.com/news-articles/drinks/greene-king-appoints-philip-yea-as-chairman/
 * updated. Dormskirk (talk) 23:32, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Infobox
revenue is deemed '£1,301.6m' - Wouldn't £1.3bn be easier to read? Tim Bridge has stepped down as Chairman and should be removed Rooney Anand is chief executive, rather than CEO 'Industry' is referred to as 'Alcoholic beverage' - Greene King owns numerous lodges through its Old English Inns brand, and is a member of the British Hospitality Association. As such, its industry should be 'hospitality'
 * Hi - I have had a look at this. I have never seen any financial statements that mix billions and millions and this company does not make profit in billions. The website still shows Bridge as chairman. The website  shows "a message from the CEO". The clue to the industry is in the article title "brewery". So I am not sure any changes are needed at present. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 21:48, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Revenue stat is out of date. As per the most recent set of results, group revenue is £2,073.0m, adjusted profit before tax is £256.5m Please see the filed accounts here: https://www.greeneking.co.uk/media/2982/greene-king-plc-preliminary-announcement-fy2016-final.pdf
 * updated to show latest results. Dormskirk (talk) 23:35, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Following Greene King's FY17 preliminary results, financial stats in the infobox should be updated to the following: Revenue - £2,216.5m Operating income - having looked at last year's results, the £292.2m figure on the RNS statement is 'operating profit before exceptionals and non-underlying items', so should probably be updated from 'operating income' to this. The FY17 figure for 'operating profit before exceptionals is £411.5m Profit - £273.5m Source: https://otp.tools.investis.com/clients/uk/greene_king/rns/regulatory-story.aspx?cid=1415&newsid=887112


 * updated to show latest results. Dormskirk (talk) 20:22, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Untitled
Why is the article called what it is? It appears to about Greene King plc.Major_Clanger (talk) 18:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I have moved the article to Greene King. Dormskirk (talk) 11:59, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

"Largest British owned brewery in the UK"

 * "It has grown to become the largest British owned brewery in the UK"

This is not true. Both SABMiller plc and Diageo plc have greater market share in beer in the UK than Greene King plc (Source: Euromonitor, 2010). All three are London listed and may feasibly be called "British" companies. At the very least this needs to be rephrased, but for now I will remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farrtj (talk • contribs) 11:04, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

==Visitor centre==

Visitors can also go on regular hour-long tours of the brewery, to see traditional brewing methods. All brewery tours end with a beer tasting session at the Greene King Brewery Tap.
 * This needs an independent source as required by WP:CITE. Dormskirk (talk) 23:06, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Following the opening of the Greene King Beer Café, brewery tours now finish here with a beer tasting session. The Beer Café is located next to the brewery and serves food and a range of Greene King and Belhaven beers in cask and keg. Visitors can also buy bottled beers and branded gifts. http://www.eadt.co.uk/business/greene_king_beer_cafe_to_open_today_alongside_bury_st_edmunds_brewery_1_4470502
 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 21:25, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

http://www.ourburystedmunds.com/bid-member/365-greene-king-visitor-centre http://www.suffolktouristguide.com/Greene-King-Brewery-and-Museum.asp https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g186383-d1775246-Reviews-Greene_King_Brewery-Bury_St_Edmunds_Suffolk_East_Anglia_England.html
 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 21:52, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

The paragraph on the brewery tours needs to be updated as per my previous comment. They no longer end at the Brewery Tap, but at the Beer Café instead. Please could you update accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucywollam (talk • contribs) 10:51, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 00:10, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Operations
As per the most recent annual presentation, the pub partners division is made up of 1,240 sites. The retail part of the business comprises more than 1,800 sites.
 * This needs an independent source as required by WP:CITE. Dormskirk (talk) 23:06, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

People
Greene King has been supporting apprenticeships since 2011 through its award winning Greene King Apprenticeship Programme. Since launch, the scheme has welcomed more than 9,000 [ ] apprentices. Sources: http://pubandbar.com/news/2017-01-25-greene-king-receives-two-apprenticeship-accolades and http://www.eadt.co.uk/business/bury-st-edmunds-based-greene-king-pledges-to-continue-effects-to-address-skills-shortage-1-4918607
 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 22:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

In 2016, Greene King launched the ‘Get Into Hospitality Programme’ in partnership with The Prince’s Trust [ ]. The aim of the programme is to address the skills and experience gaps that prevent unemployed people from getting into work. Those who successfully complete and graduate from the programme are offered a role onto the Greene King Apprenticeship Programme. Source:http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Operators/Greene-King/Greene-King-joins-forces-with-Prince-s-Trust-for-new-scheme and http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Running-your-pub/Training/Greene-King-s-scheme-to-bring-150-disadvantaged-young-people-into-the-pub-trade
 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 22:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

In 2017, Greene King launched the Craft Academy, an 18 month brewing venture led by apprentices. Through the programme, apprentices earn while they learn about brewing, design and marketing. Through the scheme, they will gain a Level 3 NVQ Diploma in Sales. Source: http://www.bqlive.co.uk/food-drink/2017/02/13/news/greene-king-launches-craft-beer-academy-8748/
 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 22:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

The first five beers from the Craft Academy was launched at Craft Beer Rising Festival in London and include; Over Easy (3.8% session IPA), Big Bang IPA (5.6% bold and citrusy IPA), Bitter Sweet (6% black IPA), Desert Ryeder (4.8% rye beer) and High & Dry (5% dry hop lager). Source: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/apprentices-are-here-for-the-trendier-beers-csm00m3lz
 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 22:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Criticism
The description of CAMRA's claims should be changed to past tense, happening almost a decade ago now
 * Amended. Dormskirk (talk) 23:08, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Advertisment
I came to the page looking to find out about the recent April 2012 TV advertisment and found nothing here. I don't know if it is approriate to include here but I found out elesewhere that the song is called, Country Song, by Jake Bugg. I have made a little page on him and put in a link to here. Perhaps a little section here on adverts might be useful. Would anyone object? (Msrasnw (talk) 09:16, 18 April 2012 (UTC))

Acquisitions
Given that Greene King's rapid expansion is mentioned, I thought to suggest some key dates should they be useful to include.

1806 – Benjamin Greene and William Buck purchase a brewery at Westgate 1836 – Edward Greene takes over business from his father 1887 – Greene Brewery and F.W King Brewery merge, creating Greene, King and Sons 1931 – acquisition of Rayments Brewery 1961 - acquisition of Well & Winch of Biggleswade 1996 - acquisition of Magic Pub Company 1999 - acquisition of The Morland Brewery and Marston’s southern estate 2001 – acquisition of Old English Inns 2004 – acquisition of Laurel Pub Company 2005 – acquisition of T D Ridley & Sons Limited and The Belhaven Group 2006 – acquisition of Hardys & Hansons 2007 – acquisition of Loch Fyne restaurants 2008 – acquisition of New Century Inns 2009 – acquisition of Punch Taverns pubs 2011 – acquisition of Cloverleaf, RealPubs and Capital Pub Company 2015 - acquisition of Spirit Pub Company


 * WP:PROSE encourages the use of prose not lists like you have produced above. Much of the information above is already included in the article in prose form. Dormskirk (talk) 23:11, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Given that the Spirit acquisition was the largest in Greene King's history, should this be covered in slightly more detail? The deal, where Greene King bought Spirit for £773.6m, took the total number of Greene King sites to 3,116, brought 14 brands together and made Greene King the largest managed pub company in the UK. It was completed on 23 June 2015. Third part sources: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/pubs/11710034/Greene-King-sales-climb-as-it-completes-Spirit-acquisition.html and http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Operators/Greene-King/Greene-King-completes-Spirit-acquisition
 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 21:26, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Abbot / Old Speckled Hen images
Bizarrely, these beers are illustrated by beers poured from ringpull cans. While they are available in this form in some markets, they are predominantly cask conditioned ales with some supermarket sales in pasteurised form in glass bottles. GK marketing people definitely don't want them to be perceived as cheap tinned beers. --Ef80 (talk) 19:31, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Awards
In March 2016, Greene King won Best Managed Pub Company (51+ sites) at the 2016 Publican Awards. Source: http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Running-your-pub/Events-Occasions/Publican-Awards-2016-Best-managed-pub-company-51-sites Greene King's chief executive, Rooney Anand, also won Business of the Year Award at the Publican Awards 2016. Source: http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Running-your-pub/Events-Occasions/Publican-Awards-2016-Business-leader-of-the-year
 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 23:03, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

In March 2017, Greene King Pub Partners won Best Tenanted & Leased Pub Company (201+ sites) at the 2017 Publican Awards. Source: http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Running-your-pub/Events-Occasions/Publican-Awards-2017-winners-announced — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucywollam (talk • contribs) 15:53, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 23:28, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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Merger of Greene King IPA
The Greene King IPA article looks like a bit of an advert, and there doesn't seem to be significant info to warrant a separate article, from what I can tell. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 15:17, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support for the above reasons. Dormskirk (talk) 22:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
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