Talk:Grigory Zinoviev

Old talk
"Zinoviev took virtually no part in the October revolution, and Lenin did not forget his faint-heartedness, eventually mentioning it his Testament." This is a biased statement in violation of the POV rule. Zinoviev opposed the October 17 coup on democratic grounds, not cowardice or "faint-heartedness." Somebody really needs to go though Wikipedia's Russian history entries and remove all the Leninist propaganda.

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 * A Google search traced the use of the term "faint-heartedness" back to the "Notes" section of the Marxists.org reprint of Lunacharsky's "silhouette" of Zinoviev. Zinoviev/Kamenev's disagreement with Lenin/Trotsky in October 1917 was mostly tactical, but I changed the Wiki wording from "faint-heartedness" to "behavior" to ensure NPOV. Ahasuerus 12:29, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Categories
My links to the Jewish categories do not work. Could someone mend them, please?

Family in the US?
Would you happen to have a source for the information about Zinoviev's relatives currently living in the US? I am aware of a reference in the Soviet archives to one of his in-laws, a college instructor, losing his job in 1954 (sic!) due in part to his link to Zinoviev, but what's the source for the US connection? Ahasuerus 00:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Is Anne Applebaum the daughter of Zinoviev's son? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.233.232 (talk) 00:39, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Since Anne Applebaum's father was born in 1938, it is most unlikely that he was the son of Zinoviev, who was shot in 1936. RolandR (talk) 11:29, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Periodization
I have serious problems with the periodization of Zinoviev's biography here, which emphasizes his various turns and machinations as a factional leader rather than his actual behavior as a political figure. Zinoviev was, in turns, a chief theoretician of the Bolshevik faction along with Lenin (pre-1917), a figure of the revolution (1917), a figure of the Civil War (1918), head of the Communist International (1919-1925 or something), de facto first among equals as head of the Soviet regime (with Kamenev and Stalin), and THEN a political oppositionist.

Coverage of Zinoviev as Comintern chief and as political chief is really quite poor. I'd recommend a reperiodization coupled with a substantial re-write.

Carrite (talk) 19:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Name
Any reason he chose Zinoviev?--Jack Upland (talk) 09:14, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Leggett
What is Leggett (1986)? It is used as a source. Hedman (talk) 06:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe it is this - The Cheka: Lenin's Political Police by George Leggett - https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Cheka.html?id=wCKPnQEACAAJ   // Timothy ::  talk  06:18, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Adding Student content
I posted some external links yesterday to our page https://www.gcsehistory.com/faq/zinoviev.html. It was reverted but I would like to discuss why it was added and why we think it should be allowed.

First, I want to clarify that we understand that Wikipedia external links are set with "nofollow" and there is no benefit to us to have backlinks to our website. We are absolutely fine with that. In fact, that why we registered with our business name to avoid any misunderstanding of who we are or our intentions.

As in the sample above, our content is targetted for GCSE/High school level students. All of our content is history related. My daughter, who's now 17, created this website to make it easier for the student to prepare to revise. While Wikipedia is great, there are 2 issues for high school/GCSE students.

1- the language is often more complicated than they can handle. 2- the content far exceeds what is needed to know for their revision.

Essentially, they are overwhelmed with content that they cannot really use Wikipedia. So with the help of 25 active teachers, we created content that is easy to understand and only what a teenage student is expected to know.

Our goal by submitting these links is for students who come to Wikipedia and want a student-friendly summary of this content. All of our content is free and no student is will have to pay for it. We have a total of 1800 pages similar to the one above.

I'm writing this knowing that we don't have backlink benefits but we believe students world-wide would hugely benefit from having concise information only a click away from #1 website in the world.

Happy to talk about this in details.

Thanks CleverLili (talk) 15:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Per WP:LINKSPAM: Adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a website or a product is not allowed, and is considered to be spam. Although the specific links may be allowed under some circumstances, repeatedly adding links will in most cases result in all of them being removed.

You were going through articles in mass, adding links to promote your website which you even admit to doing. That is not allowed on Wikipedia. oncamera  (talk page)  22:41, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Expulsion from the Party
How many times was he expelled from the Party? The article appears to say four times but if this is true I think a slight amendment is required. If it was only three times one of the four dates needs to be deleted.Spinney Hill (talk) 12:29, 9 October 2022 (UTC).

Freemasonry
To the query "membership of grigorij zinov'ev in the freemasonry", the answer of ChatGPT is the following: "There is some speculation and debate among historians regarding the potential membership of Grigory Zinoviev in the Freemasonry. Zinoviev was a Bolshevik revolutionary and a close associate of Vladimir Lenin during the early years of the Soviet Union. Like many members of the Bolshevik leadership, Zinoviev was publicly critical of the Freemasonry and other secret societies. However, some sources suggest that he may have been a member of the organization earlier in his life, before joining the Communist Party. There is some evidence to suggest that Zinoviev was associated with a Masonic lodge in Switzerland in the early 1900s, before he became involved in revolutionary politics. However, the exact nature of his involvement with the Freemasonry is unclear, and there is no definitive proof that he was a member. It is worth noting that during the Stalin era, many former Freemasons were accused of being enemies of the Soviet state and subjected to harsh persecution. This may have led some former members to deny any involvement with the organization, even if they had been members in the past. As such, the question of Zinoviev's potential membership in the Freemasonry remains a matter of speculation and debate." 82.50.120.25 (talk) 20:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There's speculation (apparently), but so what? He might have attended the synagogue at some time. He might have been a Freemason. We don't know and I don't see why we should care.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:25, 23 February 2023 (UTC)