Talk:Gwen Stefani/Archive 1

No Doubt
She has been a member of No Doubt for over 18 years.... why is the article for her human accessories so big and there is almost nothing about No Doubt? She has openly stated that LAMB is a side project... why is it the primary focus of this article?

Questions
Does the "free the harajuku girls" movement consist of anything more than the one listed blog? Tcassedy 07:40, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Probably not. I don't get it anyway. How do you free someone from doing something voluntary? Everyking 09:19, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Gwen Stefani also has a fashion line, called L.A.M.B. due to hit stores in September, 2004.

It says that Eric left No Doubt to work in animation, but on the commentary for one of the Simpsons DVDs they say that he left the show to concentrate on No Doubt. Which one is it? --Plattopus 16:03, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

how can i add my photos of gwen stefani so i can put them in the boxes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toni is here (talk • contribs).
 * There's a tutorial at Uploading images. ShadowHalo 16:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Information and what-not
Do we really need to discuss her favorite food here? Or her hair color before the 7th grade? This is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. 66.245.219.5 20:43, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * It needs to be reworked, yes, but I believe the information itself is fine. Everyking 20:49, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Her platinum blonde hair color has been something that she has been known for for years. When it started would seem to me to be of interest to those reading an encyclopedia entry about her. Dismas 20:55, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but we already mention her blonde hair a few lines up, and mentioning that it started in the 7th grade is a bit of overkill IMO. But I'm willing to concede that point if necessary. However I do think that discussing her favorite food crosses the line. DaveTheRed 02:46, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not crazy about the food thing either but I think the hair bit fits in a bit better now. See what'cha think. Dismas 03:32, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I did some editing on this page, but besides minor reorganization and addition of sections, I didn't touch the main text much; I was more interested in her connection to her Harajuku girls. I think the main text could probably still use work to make it flow better.  Maybe I'll come back here later, but I invite others to take up the torch. Khamsin 03:40, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I deleted the statement about No Doubt winning Grammy awards for Best Rock Act and Best New Artist, because I cannot verify the statement. I checked the Grammy Web site and found listings for No Doubt winning Best Pop Performance by Duo or Group with Vocals, in 2002 and 2003; but not for the categories that were originally listed. sogainesjr 19:07, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Gay Icon Project
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 22:16, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Gwen was named the 33rd greatest gay icon of all-time. I think that should be included.

Implants?
So I was listening to Stern this morning and the guys were trying to figure out if G.S. got breast implants. Any truth to this? I haven't heard anything about it other than what I heard on my drive home. Just thought it might be noteworthy if true. Dismas 00:34, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course it would be noteworthy if verifiably true, but we can only say it's a rumor, and for a rumor to be included it'd need to be a notable rumor...if we had some kind of source besides guys debating on Stern's show, we could maybe say it's a notable rumor. Everyking 01:19, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well if that's true, she sure doesn't have much to show for it.
 * Um...clearly, you haven't seen Gwen after she had her baby. They're big now.
 * Women's breasts DO grow after childbirth.. 70.115.7.123 05:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Womens breats grow double their size during child birth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nardhole (talk • contribs) 01:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

I did a Google search and I got a hell of a lot of websites for 'gwen stefani breas implants', so it seems revelant. On a website called 'awfulplasticsurgery.com' it says that you can tell where she has hadthe implants because she was flat chested before and you can see the outline of the implant through her skin... hmm... though you can't always trust the Internet- that website had practically every celebrity down for cosmetic alterations, including Paris Hilton for a nose job. What do you think?
 * Gwen's breasts absolutely blew up after she had her baby, and they've stayed pretty big even after she lost her pregnancy weight. It happens.24.21.139.41 06:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Images
Should we add any other images to the section? 64.231.113.36 20:38, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know where exactly you mean, but I think it would be nice to include the Tragic Kingdom cover image in the article. It's one of the more famous images of her. The dress she wore for that picture even got stolen recently. Everyking 21:38, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Uh, Mel? The band name shouldn't be in italics. Everyking 22:35, 16 May 2005 (UTC)


 * It is everywhere else in the article, so I replaced them for consistency. I'm never sure about the use of italics in cases like this; it always strikes me as being useful because, unlike people's names, band names can be confusing in the context of a sentence (I mean, are we talking about the Damned or The Damned?  about cream or Cream?  I must admit that I haven't checked the MoS on this. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:53, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Ahem, the Tragic Kingdom cover is destroying the article. It really needs to be reduced. DrippingInk 20:55, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I fixed it. The image isn't taking over the article anymore as it was before, slipping into the "Solo career" part. :) DrippingInk 20:59, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It wasn't doing that for me, but one can never account for how something is going to look on someone else's screen, so thanks for fixing it. Everyking 21:22, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

We should add another image of Stefani. Any ideas? 64.231.112.29 18:55, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"Bubble Pop Electric" removal
Someone has to delete the "Bubble Pop Electric" article. The song is not going to be Gwen's fourth single. DrippingInk 20:36, 26 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you to whomever removed the article... even though that was about three weeks ago. 64.231.112.29 18:55, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The info about the unreleased LAMB songs is interesting but it would probably make more sense to move that info to the album article. Everyking 21:25, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm really tired of seeing the next single switch from Cool to Bubble Pop Electric and back again. Is there a good source for either of them, or are we just guessing? Everyking 00:57, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Giben that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, neither of them should be there until the single is released. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 08:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Disagree. If one or the other is known from an official source to be the next single, then it should be included. Does anyone know if Gwen herself has said anything about it? Everyking 08:49, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But, even leaving aside the principle (with which I disagree), it's clear that there isn't an official source, hence the edit war. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:39, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify that: if there were an offical source, the article should say something like: "According to XYZ, the next single will be...". We shouldn't say it, we should report that someone else has said it. Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 11:05, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I myself am getting quite fed up with this war too. "Cool" and "Bubble Pop Electric" have been tossed back and forth so frequently that it is starting to vex me. A tad bit too much too, if I may add. Someone find a reliable source, and find it fast. If "Cool" or "Bubble Pop Electric" is going to be released sometime in July or August, a source shouldn't be too difficult to find, I quote. 64.231.152.144 23:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's official. "Cool" is going to be the fourth single as it has debuted at number forty-two on American radio. This war is finally over. Thank heavens, and yay! "Cool" is so much better than "Bubble Pop Electric" anyway... oops, I guess that was uncalled for. Sorry. (If you require evidence, a link has been placed next to the single in the "Singles" section of the article. It will take you to Billboard.) DrippingInk 18:59, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Early years
Would it be reasonable to include information from when Stefani was young? Or would that be considered crossing the line? I do know that there is such thing as going a bit too far. DrippingInk 20:46, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * No, thats not considered over the line. Nardhole 01:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

U.S.
Do we really need to include periods between the U and the S in "US"? It grabs the attention of the reader and makes them focus on the dots instead of the actual reading. I request that we remove the periods. DrippingInk July 8, 2005 13:50 (UTC)


 * It's Wikipedia style (and standard usage). --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 8 July 2005 15:09 (UTC)


 * Then why doesn't the "UK" require periods? (U.K.) DrippingInk July 8, 2005 20:07 (UTC)


 * It's pointed out here but I can't find the actual MoS entry on it right now. Dismas 8 July 2005 20:19 (UTC)

I use the full stops (as we call them here) for U.K. too; it's just not required by the MoS. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 8 July 2005 21:26 (UTC)


 * "As disambiguators, well-known acronyms such as "US" or "UK" are encouraged, to minimize typing. So, the preferred usage is Great Northern Railway (US)."
 * Where does it note the required dots? DrippingInk July 9, 2005 00:53 (UTC)


 * Manual of style:
 * "When abbreviating United States, please use "U.S."; that is the more common style in that country, is easier to search for automatically, and we want one uniform style on this. When referring to the United States in a long abbreviation (USA, USN, USAF), periods should not be used"
 * --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) July 9 2005 09:21 (UTC)

...Whatever you say. 64.231.71.189 14:33, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Not me, the Manual of style. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:07, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

info on gwen stefani is true::Fair enough. 64.231.115.123 20:58, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Comments
I don't want to vandalise the article, but I need to vent frustration at Gwen Stefani's bold racism; therefore, I'm putting this here, not on the entry.

Her fetishisation of and subsequent association with asian popular culture is unbelievably brash and, yes, offensive. As though asian culture hasn't been systematically reduced by hollywood into demure, giggling, sexy girls and jump-kicking, obedient martial artists, here comes a caucasian woman ready to buy japanese girls and display them on stage. It's good to know that the "exotic" looks of the east are so in-vogue with the hip set. It's good to know that the heritage of Christopher Columbus is still alive in America: good to know that people, when confronted with a different culture, are ready to buy it and unabashedly display it for public consumption, for the gawkers to gaze at, stupefied. Yes. Watch them short japs dance. With their little chinky eyes and yellow skin. Meanwhile, Utada Hikaru finds only a niche audience in the States. I guess them asians don't matter when they're actually singing, just so long as they can dance and look submissive and cute behind a white face. jglc | t | c 19:16, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

...Dare I even comment? DrippingInk 15:24, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

I can understand the original commenter's frustration, but I don't think Stefani herself is meaning to objectify the Japanese, even though it appears that way. I think she admires the style, the culture, but the way it comes across could be misconstrued. --Noxalk 10:58, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

What is the original commentor on about? It's obvious that the things people are most interested in with regards to other cultures are the things that are different. Those include martial arts, various arts and crafts, geisha, fashions, seeming objectification of women (geisha), and other strange customs (including out of date ones like foot binding). Why would anyone be interested in mass produced Avax Trax pop music that people in other countries are already inundated with? The evidence suggests they are not. The fact is that people are interested in the cultures -and that's what sells.

Further, when a Japanese person or organisation does something people like that isn't based on the culture, it's treated the same way as when anyone else does something of importance: no one cares where they came from. e.g. barely anyone cares that Takashi Murakami is Japanese. Barely anyone cares that Linus Torvalds is Finnish. Barely anyone cares that Jonathon Ive is English.

It's not like the Harajuku girls HAVE to perform with Gwen. She asked them if they would, and they said yes. They seem pretty happy and I'm sure they get a decent wage. I agree that it sometimes does seem like she's treating the Japanese girls like dolls, but it isn't really racism bad enough to get a whole section devoted to it, and it certainly isn't intentional. You could maybe put that some people thought that she was expoiting Japanese culture, but Gwen has said that she just admires the culture and the fashion. I really think that Gwen doesn't mean to be rascist.

Isn't Tommy February6 always using non-asian girls (black or caucasian) to dance in her videos? How is this different? So being in love with another culture means racism in your book? Quite a crazy world we live in now. --Dez26 15:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

"Hollaback Girl" and the white, non-urban line
It's silly, really silly, to keep putting this -- making Stefani the first white, non-urban or non-American Idol artist to reach the top spot since Nickelback in 2001/2002 with their hit, "How You Remind Me" -- in the article. It's not "hysterics" that makes me edit it, "Mel Etitis" ... it's that it looks terribly silly, and really, seeing as the song is co-written and produced by non-whites, and sounds like it has been too, the bit about race brings down the tone of the article. What's the point of bringing her race into it? Really, what is the point? When we have a reason for that, then I'll maybe acknowledge "Mel Etitis' " reasons for consistently reinstating the line. Would Stefani herself bring this nonsense about her race up?

Until I see a compelling reason to put the aforementioned -- and totally irrelevant to the song's success -- line in, I will always edit this article to drop it. (I'll find the time to do it.)

Cheers, "Mel Etitis." &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Noxalk (talk • contribs) 23:28, 31 July 2005.


 * Wikipedia is supposed to work by consensus, and has policies, rules, guidelines, customs, etc. I'll leave some links ina Welcome message on your User Talk page (if no-one else has), and I suggest that you read a little, and get to know how things work here before you start issuing threats and warnings about making persistent changes to an article.
 * On your main point, your view might be that the sentence looks silly, but so far no-one has agreed with you. You seem to me to be reading all sorts of things into it that aren't there.  I might add that all the articles about black artists mentione the fact that they're black, so unless you're planning on waging a crusade to rid Wikipedia of all mentions of people's race, your action here is isolated and arbitrary.
 * If it turns out that other editors agree with you, or don't mind the sentence being removed, then that'll be fine &mdash; we'll see what happens on this page. If you keep deleting the sentence without or against consensus, though, three things can happen: your edits will simply be reverted, you will be blocked from editing, or the article will be protected so that no-one can edit it.  If you discuss the issue, and only act after afreement has been reached, you'll be treated like a respected member of the community, and everyone will be happy.  It's up to you. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:09, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

You're the one that keeps reverting it! There is no discussion on your part either -- you've just reverted it. I've explained the reason why I think it doesn't belong, and you labelled it as hysteria. You yourself have not stated a reason for the bit about race to be in the article. (Maybe it's an Admin thing? You needn't explain yourself, just revert because you want to?) And yes, the line mentioning her race not only looks silly, it looks, to me *at least*, like some white pride badge needs to be stamped on a clearly "urban" or rather black (why can't people just say what they mean?) sounding song. And there is no good point to it. I haven't edited that bit to stir up trouble, I edited it because I am a great fan of Stefani, and the portion about her race is just jarring.

Stefani and Andre 3000 are right, we've "Got a Long Way to Go." --Noxalk 11:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, please. If Hollaback Girl isn't "urban" (I just love euphemisms), I don't know what is. Since the track was co-written and produced by the Neptunes - a couple of "non-whites" - how about if we put that in, you know, in the interest of full disclosure, since racial identifiers are so necessary to this Wikipedia entry? I'll have to agree with Noxalk here, this racial garbage should be edited out. --CirceInvidiosa 11:41, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Right, "Mel Etitis," I've trawled through the edits of the article. There was no mention of Stefani's whiteness in conjunction with "Hollaback Girl" and its chart performance until 23:58 27 April 2005. There was no "consensus" among the page editors about it, no discussion on the talk page, yet someone quietly changed the wording the following day, 13:42 28 April 05. The wording in that line stayed that way until 11:46 08 May 05, when someone, again without "consensus," changed the segment to again mention Stefani's race.

Now, I'd like to know why you need that line including race in there. You're the one who keeps changing it back. It *is* irrelevant -- I don't notice any mention of Clay Aiken's race with regards to his chart topping success in his wiki page, nor on Carrie Underwood's wiki page -- but I guess they're "tainted" with the AI brush, so their accomplishments don't count.

If the changes were allowed to stand without "consensus" before... what's the problem now? Really, what *is* your problem? --Noxalk 15:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

In my view, both of you are contributing to an edit war, rather than trying to have a discussion first. I would tend to agree with Noxalk that the line is a little silly and maybe racist, but I'm not sure. Statistics about the charts do often seem to be that random, so maybe it belongs. Other opinions? I know more people must be watching this page. --Galaxiaad 17:44, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * After edit conflict.


 * 1) I don't see anything racist or objectionable about the sentence; it's trivial, but we're talking about an article on a pop singer &mdash; what do you expect?
 * 2) I'm concerned with what's happened since I've been keeping an eye on the article, not before.
 * 3) Indignation and outrage are not good reasons for making changes. Is the claim correct?  CirceInvidiosa sugests that part of it isn't; I'd like to wait to hear from editors who know more about the fine divisions of pop music beofore I comment on that.  As for the races of the other people involved in the record &mdash; this is an article on Stefani (and I have certainly seen other articles talk about the first black person to do this, or Asian person to do the other... and whether people of other races were involved is irrelevant).
 * 4) have no particular attachment to this sentence (though I don't see any problem with it, unless "urban" really is a euphemism for "black", in which case it involves a redundancy). --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 17:49, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Right. I'll try again, but I don't see why I have to so lengthily justify such a minor change to the article while other minor things are allowed to stand.

Let me try a different approach: Does the omission of Stefani's race seriously detract from the article?

I'm not outraged and indignant by its inclusion, more it's that I'm annoyed that Mel Etitis won't allow me to make the change, without all this discussion and consensus. I think the line, as it stands, is out of place, and yes, redundant. To point out that Stefani has achieved a #1 and is white, and non-urban, is particularly silly, when the song in question has an unmistakably urban tinge, produced by -- although Williams' and Hugo's tastes are varied -- non-whites, who have a trademark urban sound. And yes, Mel Etitis, urban is a euphemism for black. In this context, to put the stamp of whiteness on the song serves no good purpose. --Noxalk 19:42, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I reverted because the edit summary made clear that the material was being removed because it was thought to be racist, which it seemed to me clearly not to be. I still think that there's considerable over-sensitivity involved (and this disucssion and the edit summaries certainly read as being emotionally heightened).  I'm also confused concerning the claims about the use of "urban"; the claim is that it's code for "black" (not sure why, but there we are; the Wikipedia article to which you linked actually says that it's a race-neutral term, but let it pass) &mdash; so your comment above means that the record has a "black tinge".  What does that have to do with the fact that Stefani is white, or that she's the first white singer for a while to reach number one?  All popular music might be said to have a "black tinge", as it's virtually all influenced by blues or jazz or other forms originating in black culture; the sentence isn't about the song, though, it's about the singer, and unless she has a "black tinge", I don't see the problem.
 * Take a look at Jeymmy Paola Vargas Gómez, Mordecai Wyatt Johnson, Peter Whatley, and Blair-Caldwell African American Research Library. Notice anything?  Yes, all of them refer to someone as being the first black person to do this, that, or the other.  I wonder how many of them had no white (or Asian, or Oriental, or whatever) teachers, helpers, agents, etc.?  Does that matter?  No, because we're talking about the person herself. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 20:56, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, Mel Etitis, I looked at the links you put up to try and illustrate your point, and these are talking about historical firsts in a white, or non-black dominated society. The Stefani issue is not even in the same context. This is a music chart. Anyway, it's not as if Gwen Stefani is the first white person to have a #1 in the white majority U.S., ever. There have been loads and loads of white artists with #1's. She's overcome no historical racism, but the fact that she did get this #1 by singing a song that's heavily, heavily influenced by a black genre is not the problem I have with it. I think it's a great song, and it's certainly gotten a tremendous amount of airplay in my home, car and mp3 player. You can't see the point I'm trying to make, for whatever reason.

I've tried to make a case for removing this, as per your instructions -- and I think it's a good one -- but you just won't have it to be. I honestly can't believe you won't let the edit stand. No one else has spoken up about me editing this but you, Mel Etitis. It's not like I'm trying to vandalize the article, I'm removing one small portion of it, that would not significantly change the overall level of information. Do you have a vested interest in this? Are you that big of a fan of Stefani that you won't have any of this to be? Is it this hard to put minor edits and corrections in all Wiki articles (I can see that it isn't), or just the ones that you decide to monitor, and structure as you would like to see it? This is insanely frustrating. --Noxalk 21:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I know that you've tried to make the case; you think that it's racially motivated and that it looks silly. I don't agree with either point.  This is a minor detail which someone thought interesting enough to add, and which I can see no good reason to delete.  Admittedly, my disinclination is deepened by the tendentiousness of your reasons for deleting it.
 * I'm far from being a fan of Stefani; I find her music shallow and tedious. This isn't a fanzine, though, it's an encyclopædia, and I've found myself editing far more embarrassing articles than this (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends springs to mind, as does the Spice Girls).
 * This is virtually the only article you've edited here; if you're going to get insanely frustrated over this minor issue, you might want to invest in some Valium. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:22, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I thought as much, and I was reading it back to myself, I knew you'd be even more disinclined to change it. I see no good reason for the detail's inclusion, but I get the impression that you're never going to let its removal stand, no matter how many other people weigh in. I knew it from the second you labelled my opinion as "hysterics." Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean that others can't. I looked at some of your other contributions, I noticed you didn't bring race up in the jazz musician articles. Would the inclusion of race been relevant there? Even if someone thought it was an interesting minor detail?

I'm insanely frustrated by your attitude, and attitudes like yours, against which I've been fighting my whole life, in one way or another. It's not a minor issue to me, but it *is* a minor edit to an article in an "encyclopædia" that is meant to be user-edited.

Oh, and if you're going to be so disdainful about editing articles in an "encyclopædia" with loads of pop-culture references that you find "embarrassing," you might want to find a more worthwhile way to invest your time. --Noxalk 23:00, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * This is ridiculous. Why is it so important to you that the "encyclopedic" inclusion that Stefani is white remain in information about charting, Mel? Everyone knows she's white; it's redundant and moronic to have it there, and it makes no difference to the article to remove it. I see no Stefani fans complaining about its removal, just an overzealous editor who professes not to like Gwen's music anyway. Let the edit stand. --CirceInvidiosa 00:15, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * 1) If the consensus of editors working on the article (not bussed-in cheerleaders or sock-puppets) were to remove it, or if the consensus among editors brought in on an RfC were to remove it, I'd be happy to go along with that. I've already said that I'm not particularly attached to it &mdash; I'm just disinclined to see it deleted as the result of someone's confused principles.
 * 2) If someone brought up the notion of race in the jazz articles, I'd need to see what was said; I don't make judgements like that in a sweeping, prejudiced way, but look at each situation on its merits.
 * Yes, I thought that "attitudes like yours", or some similar phrase, would emerge sooner or later. You seem to be on a (rather fuzzy and ill-thought-out) crusade; this isn't the place for it.  You may see the world in oversimplified ways, but that isn't always how it really is.
 * 1) It is user-edited, and I'm a user. When two editors disagree, they discuss, and try to reach consensus. At the moment, the consensus goes against you because there's me and all the people who have edited the article withour removing the sentence on one side, and you – Noxalk/CirceInvidiosa – on the other.  Your accounts have been used for little more than this dispute (Noxalk: fourteen edits, ten of which are to this dispute; CirceInvidiosa: three edits, all to this page.  In votes on deletions, admin. nominations, etc., you wouldn't be counted, even putting your edits together).
 * 2) I'm committed to the encyclopædia; I'm not here to push a point of view, to publicise my hobby, or to write fan articles. When an article is badly written, or offends against the Manual of Style, or is being vandalised, I try to correct the problem; that's what a responsible editor does.  My interest in the subject of the article is irrelevant.
 * 3) "Everyone knows she's white"... er, no, but that's not the issue; if the sentence said "she's white", we'd not be having this discussion. Everyone doesn't know, however, that she's "the first white, non-urban or non-American Idol artist to reach the top spot since Nickelback in 2001/2002". Perhaps few people care (I don't), but if it's true, I see no reason to delete it. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:23, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Just because I'm relatively newly registered, doesn't mean this is the first contribution I've made, or will make. Thank goodness for other ISPs. Don't bring in levels of commitment. I've used the site extensively in the past, and will continue to do so. And I'm not writing a fan article... I just happen to be a fan, and have an interest in the article, and how it comes across.

I've looked over your contributions, and your talk page, and I see I'm not the only one to have a problem with your heavy-handed, implacable editing style. MoS-based corrections, fair enough, but here you're reverting just for the sake of reverting. And I'm not on a crusade here, but I will start a dispute resolution if necessary.

I like that phrase, "bussed-in cheerleader." I like it because it shows me EXACTLY where you're coming from, Mel. Oxford, huh? Right. --Noxalk 09:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Maybe it's beating a dead horse, but I object to the line as well. While the use of "white" and "American Idol" are factually correct, "urban" is not, IMHO. "Urban" is POV, debatable, and a very broad category. Also, the sentence structure is such people might read "non-urban" as "from a rural background", which is decidedly untrue. Stylistically, I think the sentence is crap, discussing nothing more than trivia about the Hot 100 list, and discussing it in a fashion that is probably going to offend people. You can argue, I suppose, that it's not Wiki's job to avoid offending, but sticking your head in the sand and pretending everyone should live with it is a little silly. Why not give a running total of Top 100 hits by race? Gwen is also the first female artist whose name begins with "G" to top the chart in who knows how long; why not mention this as well? Simishag 20:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Given that Gwen Stefani has now appeared on Billboard's Hip-Hop/R&B charts with several songs ("Let Me Blow Ya Mind," "Rich Girl," "Hollaback Girl," "Luxurious"), I'm not sure that the tag "non-urban" is accurate. Also, I think that one could include a factually correct statement about "Hollaback Girl" (e.g., the song reached #1 on Billboard's Hot 100 chart, #8 on Billboard's Hip-Hop/R&B chart) that acknowledges the song's accomplishments without necessarily referring to Stefani's race. Relatively few White artists reach the Top 10 of Billboard's Hip-Hop/R&B chart; but the issue of race has become so contentious regarding this particular entry that I personally would not be inclined to mention Stefani's race. sogainesjr 19:25, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Gwen, and her liking for the Japanese Style..
This is just solely based on my opinion, however i'd like to share it with the other community here. Ever since her track released "Harajuku Girls" it seems that is all she is able to talk about. I've seen multiple interviews with her how she discusses the likings of the japanese girls, style and their way of life. Is it just me, or does she go overboard with her interests?

There is a fine line between being yourself and being what you're not, it seems she is starting to fall in the category of "I'm a white girl that wants to be like a Japanese girl. I want style". There are other ways to get style such as being creative and doing it you'reself, but with Gwen all it is, is the Japanese Style.

I think this is a downfall for her, in my opinion.

Kimsan 01:35, 8 August 2005 (UTC)Kimsan

The Harajuku Girl's are not mentioned in Hollaback Girl, Cool, Bubble Pop Electric, Luxurious, Crash, Real Thing, Serious, Danger Zone, and Long Way To Go. Out of all her released tracks, they're only mentioned in What You Waiting For and Rich Girl. They only appear in WYWF, Rich Girl, and Hollaback Girl. I dont know if they're in Luxurious or not. If this is Gwen's downfall then everyone should go downhill because she's pretty successful.

Everyone is going to tire of Gwen continuously mentioning the Harajuku girls. Shes taken the originality out of the "Harajuku" style, and this has ruined it. Shes trying far too hard to be Fashionable. Nardhole 01:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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well, their not in her new video are they?????


 * Yes they are. The Sweet escape has the girls in blonde wigs. Nardhole 01:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Image
I think the front picture is inappropreate for a younger audiance. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wack'd About Wiki (talk • contribs) 20:12, 13 August 2005.


 * First, that's riduculous, and secondly Wikipedia is not censored for the protection of minors. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:51, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

shame

Cleanup
the article is badly formatted and full of one-line information. It badly needs a cleanup

Is her father Italian or Italian American?
I'm not sure. The way this article was written made it sound like her father came from Italy. Most likely, her father is of Italian descent and therefore not "Italian" but Italian American. So I changed that description. I apologize if I am incorrect in doing this, but it seems to me that if her father was actually from Italy then I would've heard about that. -- Campania 03:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

An LA friend of mine told me that Gwen's actually Armenian. I don't know if this is true, but I've heard it from more than one source. -- SlavicPete25 18:22, 30 April 2006 (PST)

either way its aaall good, its mainly about the music


 * Gwen Stefani's father is Armenian along with her grandfather so yes she is part Armenian.Nareklm 21:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Armenian? I've heard of Gwen Stefani has Albanian or Arab descent, then who cares about that? Gwen Stefani is a great singer and an inspiring actress, but she introduced the "Harajuku" Japanese teen culture to the US and she's now a "racist" holding a "ministrel show, but with yellow people?"? I'm sick and tired of the entertainment industry pretend to oppose racial stereotypes, but are accused of stirring up emotion or tension on racial minorities. Enough! Gwen has some light blond hair, so she may be part-German and of course, some Irish or Scottish in her. She may have a similar ethnic background like Christina Aguilera (but she's half-Ecuadorian by her father, but lots of typically "white" features) or this rumor of Britney Spears is one-fifth Native American. I wouldn't care less if she's as Armenian like Cher or Italian like Sonny Bono...as Arab (Syrian or Lebanese) as Paula Abdul, or Danny Thomas or his daughter Marlo Thomas for that matter. Before this new info. on Gwen's ethnicity (not race, since Arabs and Armenians aren't "races" but are nations) is edited in the article, you must offer references (look for biographical web sites) if it's true. 63.3.14.129 17:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

AIDS?
Recently a line was added stating she had AIDS. Is this true? I haven't heard that, and it was added in a strange place. 82.2.199.126 22:41, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Her song Danger Zone is possibly about a lover with AIDS, but it probably isn't true. Oreos 19:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Danzer Zone is about her relationship with Gavin Rossdale. Whe Gwen was recording/writing her album they find out that Gavin has a teenage daughter. There are many sources if you just google those things...

Spiderwebs is not about Tony Kanal
in the entry on gwen '''it says the No Doubt single 'Spiderwebs' is about gwen's relationship with tony kanal. it is not.''' it was the last song written for Tragic Kingdom after gwen and tony were broken up. it talks about a guy that kept calling gwen to read her bad poetry he had written for her at every hours of the night. she talked about this in several interviews and it's even on the band's official site in the timeline. the Tragic Kingdom songs that ARE in fact about gwen and tony's relationship are: excuse me mister, happy now, hey you, sunday morning, don't speak and end it on this. those are the only songs about that subject.

Saw Red
There is another unreleased track from way back, called "Saw Red", with Brad Nowell from Sublime. I think it may have been before she was in No Doubt, so I'm not positive of the year.

-Gwen was a founding member of No Doubt back in 1986, so I doubt it was before that. Terrafire 18:50, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

More Pictures Please!
I recommend more pics and better ones, I'm not putting one because I'm too tired and lazy besides I'm no fan or anything I just browsed.

Her singles before l.a.m.b
I think her singles with Eve and Moby should be in her discography, cause those were quite a big thing for her and the single with Eve brought her whole new audience. I just think that it is stupid that her discography only includes her singles from her solo album. Same thing goes to the single "What's Going On" and the new single "Tears In Heaven". And where you think that it would be ok to put her other collaborations that were never released as a singles, like the duet with Prince "So Far, So Pleased" and with Brian Setzer Orchestra "You're the Boss".

I agree with this completely. I added in South Side, Let Me Blow Ya Mind, and Can I Have it Like That... and the only one still there is Let Me Blow Ya Mind. Why the hell is someone deleting this!? It really angers me.

Vandalism Tag
Someone needs to replace that vandalism tag that is currently put in. It's placed in an awkward position making it so that the pic of Gwen is floating up by itself. It needs to be placed in the very top so that the picture resides with the article instead off somewhere else as it is now. --681dragon 05:33, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup tag added
I've added the cleanup tag. Basically here's what I put uner the entry:
 * Biography section is not detailed enough about her origins. The first paragraph goes from birth to her latest solo album. There isn't enough information about her childhood and/or upbringing. The sources are out there. Considering how much attention her singles get, I'm sure her fans can improve her article. --malber 15:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, this article should cite more sources. --malber 15:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Not Gwendolyn?
Would someone like to provide a source which states whether it either is or is not Gwendolyn? 195.92.168.175 13:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This is what it says on her CA birth record:

STEFANI, GWEN RENEE 1969-10-03 Mother's last name: FLYNN Gender: FEMALE County: ORANGE --Fallout boy 01:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Departure from rock
I was curious if anyone would be interested in putting more on Stefani's transition from rock-pop to pop. There has been a lot of positive and negative feedback surrounding this transformation and I think it's notable. I'd do it myself, but I'm a little weak on info. Just a comment in passing...


 * Quite right, shes made the leap. Nardhole 01:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

world sales - singles...
hmm it says on the main article that this is the certification for each single:

what you waiting for - 1.000.000 (1x Platinum) rich girl - 2.000.000 (2x Platinum) hollaback girl - 5.000.000 (5x Platinum) cool - 500.000 (1x Gold) luxurious - +250.000 crash - +25.000

but single certification isn't the same as the album one, so the sales number are incorrect... platinum in single equals 200.000 not 1.000.000... so it goes:

what you waiting for - 200.000 platinum rich girl - 400.000 2x platinum platinum hollaback girl - 1.000.000 5x platinum cool - 100.000 gold

someone please fix that!

Under "Trivia"
Can someone please explain the entry under "Trivia":

Stefani claims to be a "female shooter."

Forgive me if I'm dense, but since I have no idea what that means, I would think it should get clarified or removed from an encyclopedia entry.


 * I looked into and found that it was added by a user that has been blocked for vandalism, so given that it makes no sense, I just deleted it. Why no one caught it before is odd. --Bacteria 11:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, so much info. on No Doubt!
Can someone include more on her career with No Doubt since I find it far more notable than LAMB. I mean, the article doesn't even mention Return of Saturn or Rock Steady, which were both really popular with the mainstream media (even if they weren't as good as Tragic Kingdom). And one more thing, it mentions how her relationship with Tony Kanal influenced her lyrically, but doesn't really elaborate that even after all these years, she's still writing lyrics about him. I'd like to see a list of all of the songs that Gwen wrote about him, if possible.

"Can I have It Like That" and other singles
"Can I have It Like That", "Let Me Blow Ya Mind" and "Southside"

Is there reason why these singles are constantly removed? They feature Gwen, and should be included in her discography. Celebrity-Benji 01:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

"Can I have It Like That" is all she says and ilove gwen so i'm not trying to be rude.Hope. 05:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)hope.

Yes, she still featured on it though --Tyron1 15:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Stefani's singles chart
To whoever keeps adding UNVERIFIED, UNRELEASED singles to her chart, please stop. Nothing has been verified AT ALL. Do not add stuff to the chart unless there is VERIFICATION that she will be releasing the single to radio/TV/whatever (with a link from a credible source). Thanks Vikramsidhu 03:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

"Contrary to popular belief..."
"Gwen Stefani and the singer P!nk are not the same people." This was recently added to trivia but then removed. Does this deserve to be in the article? Beacuse for a long time I thought it was P!nk singing No Doubt's 'Hey Baby'! And more recently there's a scene in P!nk's video for "U+UR Hand" (I can't remember the exact title) where she looks very similar to Gwen. But maybe this is just a mistake I've made? Or has this happened to a significant amount of people? -Anthony- 23:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, obviously. They have different voices? Nardhole 01:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * What?? how can you even think they have the same voice? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michael.jarrell (talk • contribs) 23:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

Vandalism
The vandalism would appear to be originating on a GameFAQs message board (Current Events). Just in case this information is relevant... -PhilShady 00:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

CE didn't do the vandalism, someone just posted a topic noting that the page had been vandalised. Don't blame us, we wouldn't do something like that. - CEman

Editing for this article needs to be locked ASAP to prevent further abuse. To lazy to log in, sorry :D. -dietcoke
 * Anonymous editing has been disabled for a period of time. Velten 02:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Sweet Escape Tour
It seems like listing the stops for The Sweet Escape Tour on this page will clutter the page. Would it be better to create a separate page for the tour, or should the list not exist at all under WP:NOT? —ShadowHalo 00:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * A separate page is appropriate for the concert dates; see Harajuku Lovers Tour 2005 for an example of a concert tour article. Velten 02:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The Sweet Escape Tour article exists.  Wasted Time R 12:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks for doing that; I completely forgot. Unless someone else is already working on it, I'm going to format the appearances in a table like the one on the Oral Fixation Tour article.  —ShadowHalo 00:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Go for it. Wasted Time R 01:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Spelling correction
Please spell things correctly on articles for example... '''The release of Stefani's first solo album brought attention to her entourage of four Harajuku Girls. Named Love, Angel, Music, and Baby by Stefani, the Harajuku Girls are named for the area around the Harajuku Station of Tokyo, Japan, known as a popular shopping destination and fashion center for teenagers''' this should be spelt centre. Americans claim to speak English but cant spell properly it is 're' not 'er'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.189.122.75 (talk) 15:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
 * In American English, it is spelled "center". Stefani was born in the United States and still resides in the U.S.  As such, American English should be used for the article, not British.  —ShadowHalo 06:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

UK singles?
Shouldn't it also have the UK singles chart as well? I have found them but the page is protected so I can't change it.
 * No it doesn't. She has not had a UK number-one. Velten 14:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

They should mention about her song "Wind it up" reaching number one in New Zealand...and i suppose Rich Girl also reached number one in a country...why only US.UK and Ireland and Australia mentioned

New Category
She should be on the Category:Vanity Fair's International Best Dressed List for 2006. You can find the category linked from the International Best Dressed List article, among others. --Ashley Rovira 12:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

interwiki to a protected page
Please add an interwiki link to the Hebrew value: גוון סטפאני. 84.94.170.9 22:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. ShadowHalo 00:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

This Article ist sprotected?
U-hum. --81.62.5.37 15:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Gwen Stefani says...
I think its' worthwhile to include some personal quotes from Gwen, she's said some pretty shocking things about her weight and her opinions on weight loss 66.41.66.213 04:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you remember any or, better yet, do you know any articles where she's made these statements? ShadowHalo 05:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

First Name
Isn't her first name 'Gwendolyn'?????? JakeTheBlake 19:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not without a reliable source that says so, and so far none have been found. ShadowHalo 19:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

No Lock!
Finally. Who did that?

Elle
Gwen was the cover of this month's US and UK editions of the women's glossy Elle (She probably appeared on the korean one etc., but those are the copies I have). She posed in a variety of designers outfits and she stated that she's 'like a man' when it comes to working out, preferring lifting weights and average gym stuff to things like yoga and pilates. It revealed that she is a US size 6, or a UK 10. There was more than that, comments about motherhood and the like, but I haven't got the magazine on me so I'm not sure of the exact quotations. I think appearing on the cover of Elle (elle Girl too, actually) should be included in the article. Nukleoptra 20:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The article is available here. I don't see why it needs to be mentioned every time she appears in a magazine though, since the article really doesn't have any effect on her career.  ShadowHalo 01:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't Speak
"Don't Speak" wasn't wrote by Gwen, it was in fact Eric Stefani who wrote it. Most people think Gwen wrote it but it says on the album sleeve of "No Doubt: The Singles" that it was Eric.
 * Both of them are credited as the writers in the liner notes of both Tragic Kingdom and The Singles: 1992–2003. Take a look at the parenthetical note that says "(E. Stefani, G. Stefani)".  ShadowHalo 18:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Grammy award history
I was about to add the No Doubt nominations on the list but I decided to leave it since the article is about Stefani herself. But what's wrong with highlighting the row where an award was won? It's done in the Christina Aguilera page which is rated as a good article. Spellcast 10:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Highlighting the rows is distracting, but more importantly, it's POV. Also note that the table wasn't there when Christina Aguilera was promoted to GA.   ShadowHalo 20:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah you're right. In that case, I'll tidy up the awards I added to the Pharrell Williams and List of The Neptunes awards page. Spellcast 23:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * In response to this question, yes, bolding the "Won" is also POV. My apologies, I missed that.  This is for essentially the same reasons that number one chart positions should not be bolded (see Record charts).  ShadowHalo 00:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Redirect
What's with the redirect to 'Stefani Morgan'? Never heard of her, it's unesseccary. I'm pretty sure people who went on to the Gwen article meant to be there, not some porn star. 80.41.38.77 22:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Not quite. It's pretty clear that you might be searching for Stefani Morgan using the search term "Stefani" and end up coming here.  I think the best way to handle that would be a disambiguation page though.  ShadowHalo 22:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, well I just searched for Stefani Morgan and it went straight to Stefani Morgan. Searched for Gwen Stefani, went straight to Gwen Stefani.Nukleoptra 19:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination
I'd review this were I not a contributor to the page, but I think it's unlikely this article will pass. The article needs some definite copyediting: "Grammy Wins(with No Doubt)", "Asia and Europe..", "Harajuku Lovers is to have lower prices than L.A.M.B. to say affordable". It also needs a lot more referencing and citations (including uncited quotations), and there are several short one or two sentence paragraphs. ShadowHalo 09:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Not Mentioned
Gwen Stefani ranked 12th on the 100 Sexiest Artists,yet it is not mentioned.Artists like Natalie Imbruguela,who has ranked in the 90's,has been mentioned,but her coming 12th is not mentioned.
 * There are tons of lists like this. I don't think each of these lists has much effect on Stefani's notability.  ShadowHalo 09:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

GA Review
I am failing this article for the time being. I agree with ShadowHalo, it needs copyediting. Take this sentence for example: "She was named after a stewardess in the best-selling 1968 novel Airport, which her mother read during her pregnancy; her middle name, Renee, was inspired by the song "Walk Away Renée"." It is pretty sloppy and really should be split up. ALso, the presense on "CItation needed" tags is an autmoatic fail in my mind. Keep trying, and this article will be a GA soon enough. -- Scorpion 16:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hollaback Girl
In Hollaback Girl: "... The word "shit" is mentioned in the song 38 times ..." 38 TIMES?! This would mean it breaks a Guinness World Record (that record's currently held by Eamon's "F**k It (I Don't Want You Back)", which only contains 33 expletives! What the hell is going on here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * The place to discuss this is Talk:Hollaback Girl, not here. Anyway, I've removed that section which was added a day or two ago.  It uses the word "shit" around three dozen times, but so far no reliable source has been found for the exact number (though I believe it's either 37 or 38).  ShadowHalo 14:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What the heck? What's that doing in this article anyway?  Oh well, now it's gone from both articles.  ShadowHalo 15:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank god, but I'm still stunned. Even if it is 3 dozen times— it should still be in the Guinness World Records (2005) Book. 124.181.78.193 02:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Deserving
This articale surely deserves to be a featured article,It is well cited,well provided with pictures and the information is very much sufficient and in proper language too.I think this article deserves to be a featured article and the person who is responsible for the selection os featured articles should give it a look.I hope this reaches the administator. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luxurious.gaurav (talk • contribs).
 * If you believe this article meets the featured article criteria, then you (or anyone else) can nominate it at Featured article candidates. I can tell you from experience, however, that it is very unlikely that this article would be featured, especially after its recent failed good article candidacy.  With some more work though, it can probably get up to good article status.  ShadowHalo 16:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)