Talk:Hakka people

Lindi Tsang
Bubzbeauty (Lindi Tsang) has said her family is Hakka, even though she is Northern Irish. What category best suits her? Ambiesushi (talk) 19:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Hakka
Hakka is a Chinese subgroup under Han people but not an ethnic, i believe under the Taiwan column. if it's an ethnic then Hakka are not ethnically Han people anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.135.47.119 (talk) 01:32, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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Request to remove all the date of birth, location, brake names, pronunciation,
I find the section for the list of historical figures, celebrity  extremely messy, unorganized, long, hard, irritating and annoying to read. I really don't understand the point of listing all these date of birth, location, names next to the historic figures when it's already in wikipedia themselves. It would be far more better to just write in more details about what these historical figures were rather than forcing the readers read all the garbage of where they were born or how to pronounce their names first, also why is the description for the detail of these celebrity and figures so short while the garbage about their names, birth, pronunciation so long? please for the sake of the readers make it MORE SIMPLE AND EASY 92.236.36.173 ( 92.236.36.173) 3:50 Pm, Nov 7 June 201


 * My father Taishanese and my mother is 1/2 is hakka-Teochew but my mum consider herself Hakka and she found this page hella annoying to read like myself. I'm proud of my heritage but I'm disappointing with the way they have been set out. Whoever made this wikipedia did a good job except for the way these names have been set out.

IT IS VERY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO READ LIKE THIS why not just make it easy and simple?

Politicians

 * Canada
 * Alice Wong, Minister of State for Seniors,the first Chinese-Canadian woman sitting in Cabinet.
 * Singapore
 * Tan Soo Khoon (1949–; Chaozhou, Guangdong; born in Singapore), former Speaker of the Parliament of Singapore
 * Lee Boon Yang, former Minister for Information, Communications and the Arts
 * Teo Chee Hean, Deputy Prime Minister
 * Low Thia Khiang, Secretary-General, Workers’ Party, Member of Parliament for Aljunied
 * Lim Swee Say, Cabinet Minister in Prime Minister's Office
 * Lim Boon Heng,former Cabinet Minister
 * Baey Yam Keng, Member of Parliament, Tampines
 * Seng Han Thong, Member of Parliament, Yio Chu Kang
 * George Yeo, former Minister for Foreign Affairs (Singapore)
 * Teo Ser Luck, Senior Parliamentary Secretary for the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports and Ministry of Transport
 * Thailand
 * Banharn Silpa-archa, 21st Prime Minister of Thailand
 * Chamlong Srimuang, former Deputy Prime Minister and Governor of Bangkok
 * Pridi Banomyong, 7th Prime Minister of Thailand
 * Malaysia
 * Chua Jui Meng, Former Minister of Health.
 * Chua Soi Lek, Former Minister of Health.
 * Chua Tee Yong, Member of Parliament

Sportspeople

 * United States
 * Michael Chang (1972–; Chaozhou, Guangdong; born in the United States), former professional tennis player
 * Singapore
 * Tan Howe Liang (1933–; Shantou, Guangdong), the first Singaporean Olympic individual Silver medallist.

BUT IT IS PISSING ANNOYING TO READ THEM WHEN IT'S LIKE THIS

JUST WHAT IS THE FREAKING OF MENTIONING THEIR NAMES, DATE OF BIRTH, LOCATION?

Entertainers

 * Mainland China
 * He Meitian (何美鈿/何美钿; He Meitian; Ho Muitiang) (1983–; Chaozhou, Guangdong), actress
 * Chen Chusheng (陳楚生/陈楚生; Tan Cosên) (1981–; Puning, Guangdong; born in Sanya, Hainan), singer
 * Chrissie Chau (周秀娜) (1985–; Chaozhou, Guangdong), actress and model
 * Hong Kong
 * Canti Lau (劉錫明/劉锡明; Liu Ximing; Liu Siahmêng) (1964–; Chaoyang, Guangdong; born in Hong Kong), actor and singer
 * Sammul Chan (陳鍵鋒/陈键锋; Chén Jiànfēng; Chan Gin-fung) (1978–; Chaozhou, Guangdong; born in Hong Kong), actor, singer
 * Emil Chau (周華健/周华健; Zhou Huajian; Chiu Hua-giang) (1960–; Chaoyang, Guangdong; born in Hong Kong), actor and singer
 * Matthew Ko (高鈞賢/高钧贤; Gao Junxian; Gao Jao-ghao) (1984–; Chaozhou, Guangdong; born in Hong Kong), model
 * Kwong Wah (江華/江华; Jiang Hua; Gang Hua) (1962–; Shantou, Guangdong; born in Hong Kong), actor and singer
 * Miriam Yeung (楊千嬅/杨千桦; Yang Qianhua; Yêng Cainhua) (1974–; Jieyang, Guangdong; born in Hong Kong), actress and singer
 * Sammi Cheng (鄭秀文/郑秀文; Zheng Xiuwen; Dên Siu-mung) (1972–; Chenghai, Guangdong; born in Hong Kong), actress and singer
 * Ada Choi (蔡少芬/蔡少芬; Cai Shaofen; Choi Siufun) (1973–; Chaoshan, Guangdong; born in Hong Kong), actress
 * Steven Ma (馬浚偉/马浚伟; Ma FengWei; Maa Zeonwai) (1971–; Chaozhou, Guangdong; born in Hong Kong), actor and singer
 * Stephen Wong Cheung-Hing (黃長興) (1978–; Shantou, Guangdong; born in Hong Kong), actor
 * Singapore
 * Zoe Tay (郑惠玉/鄭惠玉; Zhèng Huìyù; Jeng Wai Yuk) (1968–; Chaozhou, Guangdong; born in Singapore), actress
 * Chen Shucheng (陈澍承) (1949–;Chaoshan, Chaozhou; born in Singapore, actor
 * Chen Liping(陈莉萍） (1965–;Chaozhou, Guangdong; born in Singapore, actress
 * Celest Chong (1973–; Chaozhou, Guangdong; born in Singapore), singer and actress
 * Stefanie Sun (孫燕姿/孙燕姿; Sun Yanzi; Sung Ince) (1978–; Chaozhou, Guangdong; born in Singapore), singer
 * South Korea
 * Jang Yong (Korean: 張龍/장용; 張龍/张龙; Zhang Long; Dion Leng) (1945–; Chaozhou, Guangdong); born in South Korea), actor

92.236.36.173 ( 92.236.36.173) 4:14 Pm, Nov 7 June 2013

Hakka migration
http://books.google.com/books?id=PNnfwOo-WdAC&pg=PA259&dq=Between+the+fourth+and+nineteenth+centuries,+perhaps+five+great+waves+of+migration+brought+Hakka+from+the+central+plains+of+northern+China+southward,+first+to+the+Gan+River+valley+in+Jiangxi+and+then+successively+into+the+rugged&hl=en&ei=mCGCTvT3GoTW0QHG4_ycAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Between%20the%20fourth%20and%20nineteenth%20centuries%2C%20perhaps%20five%20great%20waves%20of%20migration%20brought%20Hakka%20from%20the%20central%20plains%20of%20northern%20China%20southward%2C%20first%20to%20the%20Gan%20River%20valley%20in%20Jiangxi%20and%20then%20successively%20into%20the%20rugged&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=dVzLG1aqlNkC&pg=PA149&dq=–+HaKKa.+A+subgroup+of+the+Han+Chinese.+Most+still+live+in+Jiangxi,+Fujian,+Guangdong,+and+Taiwan.+Because+their+ancestors+were+immigrants+from+northern+China,+local+people+called+the+newcomers+hakka+(guest+families&hl=en&ei=vCGCTvanJYn50gHbsbF2&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=–%20HaKKa.%20A%20subgroup%20of%20the%20Han%20Chinese.%20Most%20still%20live%20in%20Jiangxi%2C%20Fujian%2C%20Guangdong%2C%20and%20Taiwan.%20Because%20their%20ancestors%20were%20immigrants%20from%20northern%20China%2C%20local%20people%20called%20the%20newcomers%20hakka%20(guest%20families&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=vAXnnu1oFhUC&pg=PA172&dq=His+best-known+book+on+historical+sources+for+the+study+of+the+Hakka+draws+in+part+from+Pang's+compiled+volume+of+Shung+Him+Tong+genealogies+to+provide+evidence+of+the+northern+Chinese+origins+of+the+Hakka.51+What+Pang+does+with+his&hl=en&ei=uSGCTurRE6ru0gGqq92eAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=His%20best-known%20book%20on%20historical%20sources%20for%20the%20study%20of%20the%20Hakka%20draws%20in%20part%20from%20Pang's%20compiled%20volume%20of%20Shung%20Him%20Tong%20genealogies%20to%20provide%20evidence%20of%20the%20northern%20Chinese%20origins%20of%20the%20Hakka.51%20What%20Pang%20does%20with%20his&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=2E_5nR0SoXoC&pg=PA110&dq=In+many+parts+of+south+China,+these+%22guests%22+are+still+treated+as+outsiders+and+intruders+even+though+everyone+now+concedes+that+they+are+Han+Chinese.+The+Hakka+identify+themselves+as+northern+Chinese,+and+this+contention+has+some+basis&hl=en&ei=tCGCTpG0BcbZ0QG994mmAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=In%20many%20parts%20of%20south%20China%2C%20these%20%22guests%22%20are%20still%20treated%20as%20outsiders%20and%20intruders%20even%20though%20everyone%20now%20concedes%20that%20they%20are%20Han%20Chinese.%20The%20Hakka%20identify%20themselves%20as%20northern%20Chinese%2C%20and%20this%20contention%20has%20some%20basis&f=false Rajmaan (talk) 01:28, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Foods - salt baked chicken
The chinese name for this is given as ham guk gai - this is incorrect, at least in Hong Kong, where it is always called yim guk gai. Ham means salty, yim means salt. Ham has unfortunate connotations, ham sap being a common expression for bawdy or indecent, and therefore would be inappropriate for a chicken dish. In 22 years in Hong Kong I never heard the name ham guk gai; this includes eating at Hakka restaurants, and my wife is herself Hakka. See Sidney Lau' 'A Practical Cantonese-English Dictionary',1977, printed and published by the Government Printer. Perhaps someone could edit the offending phrase? 82.13.81.144 (talk) 23:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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Shanxi, Henan
The article says that the Hakka peoples were thought to be from Shanxi, Henan, and several other places. Are there still remnants of these "Hakka" people in Shanxi and Henan in terms of languages and genetics? 2A00:23C5:C10B:A300:8592:DB69:BB40:170D (talk) 00:23, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Discrimination/ hatred
In this section, does anyone know that the people described as Cantonese in the article were actually true Cantonese speakers? I thought the people referred to as Cantonese were not/are not actually Cantonese speakers, but just people who claimed that they were natives of Canton but were not/are not speakers of what we know as Cantonese. That is to say, these people could not/cannot speak Cantonese, they should not be identified as true Cantonese, and were not/are not true Cantonese themselves, and they should not be confused with the real Cantonese people, and should not be referred to as Cantonese. 109.156.176.232 (talk) 03:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Two paragraphs in this section are almost exactly duplicated. "The Qing Dynasty mobilized officers and men from the local Cantonese peasants to kill the Hakkas, regained the Guanghai villages which was occupied by the Hakkas, and massacred the Hakkas. The number of Hakkas killed was tens of thousands in the Dalongdong area of Guanghai alone.". Very similar to that see under "By Qing Dynasty".

Massacres
What I don't understand is that in various places in the article, the Hakkas were described as a soldiering people. That is to say, they are/were fighters. If that is/was the case, how is/was that they were massacred? Did they not fight back? 109.156.176.232 (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Merge: Hakka culture
I suggest merging Hakka culture into this article 174.91.152.200 (talk) 17:16, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Listing Hakkas in Taiwan under the China section
Taiwan is de facto not a part of China. Shouldn't this be its own separate major section? 216.164.50.120 (talk) 18:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Possible problems with WP:V
On 15 June, and one other editor changed a lot of information in this article without adding any source in which this information can be verified. These changes were reverted by me and promptly reinstored here. I don't know anything about this topic and I'm not going to put my time into this, but I thought other editors should know. ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 10:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Contradiction
The lead says the Hakka 'have originated from the central plains' and 'are largely descended from North Han Chinese' immigrants from the north, as the name suggests, but the section 'Origins' says that hybrid origins are 'the most likely and are together supported by multiple scientific studies'. 87.126.21.225 (talk) 07:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Add Hakka Funeral Customs - Twice burials
"Twice burial is another custom inherited by the Hakkas during their southbound migration. The deceased was first buried as in any ordinary burial. Three years later however, the remains of the deceased were unearthed, collected in a pottery vessel and buried in a new place, with a new tombstone erected.

This practice can only be explained by the constant move of the Hakka people. For centuries, the forefathers of the Hakkas were constantly on the move. Whenever they were on the road again, they would unearth the remains of their deceased dear ones and carry them along to a new dwelling place and bury them there. The point was to keep the remains of their dear ones close to their residence. The Hakka people are very particular about the structure and location of tombs. Most of the tombs are in dome shape and have to be built high up in the hills, the higher the better for obvious social hierarchy reasons. The structure of the tomb is similar to the early-stage residence i.e. the enclosed house. It is higher in the back & lower in the front and is enclosed."

https://lexpress.mu/article/hakka-customs-and-habits 2A02:C7C:7D1F:D200:C426:BD2C:D058:248C (talk) 13:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)