Talk:Hamilton Harty

Name
Is there any good reason why this article is not simply Hamilton Harty? That's what he's always known as, and is the way he's referred to in the infobox and elsewhere in the article. -- JackofOz (talk) 07:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No responses, so I moved it. --  JackofOz (talk) 21:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Assessment
After Tim riley's recent expansion of the article and removal of copyvios, I am assessing it as B-class. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:37, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

MISTAKE
According to the New Grove Dictionary (ed. 1980, reprinted with minor corrections, 1991, vol. 8, p. 270), Harty composed a piano quartet (1904) and not a piano quintet -- Unregistered user (registered in French Wikipedia), 11 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.29.239.30 (talk)

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Northern Irish vs. Irish
Message to User:LisburnThePriest You keep editing articles on composers from the north of Ireland removing their "Irish" connotations and putting in "Northern Irish" instead. In the case of a composer born after the partition of Ireland between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland in 1923 that can be accepted. But Harty was born before that. So please STOP your edits and leave "Irish". Same goes for the "Category:Irish classical composers". Even if a composer of art music was born in Northern Ireland after 1923, s/he is still an Irish composer. – Aklein62 (talk) 08:51, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

--- 80.233.36.80 (talk) 15:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Hello, I'm a Frenchman living in Ireland, I'm here because I am listening to "An Irish Symphony" by Harty and I would like to enter this debate. For reasons presumably completely opposite to LisburnThePriest I would sort of agree with him. I find it almost insulting to call this symphony the music of an "Irish" composer. It celebrates the 12th of July (cruel victory of William of Orange over Irish Catholics)... So why being so eager to call Harty "Irish" rather than "Northern Irish", which would represent WHO he presumably was (a fierce unionist) much better than the consideration of painstaking administrative technicalities. French Wikipedia brands Harty a "British" composer, which is also quite fair given that he is technically born in the UK - Co Down is still in the UK - and moreover, his symphony is as much of a pompous and boring fatberg as the British symphonies of the time (half-joke...). Not sure I helped, this is just the opinion of a bypasser! Cheers. 80.233.36.80 (talk) 15:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You are right, your comment did not help. Your arguments change nothing about Harty's Irishness and/or Britishness. He was from the north of Ireland, but he was not born in Northern Ireland, and that's all. Besides, Harty was NOT "a fierce unionist". Before you allege such things, read his biography. You would have to accept that Ireland has always been a diverse country, like your own country is as well. If you don't like the symphony, Wikipedia is not the place to make such a comment. Enjoy Ireland. If you can. – Aklein62 (talk) 14:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Works conducted by Harty
I remember meeting in the late 1960s an old Rochdale bass-trombonist who had played, forty years earlier, in the Berlioz Requiem for Harty in the old Free Trade Hall in Manchester. "Toscanini? A martinet - no time for him". Harty was the man. But those performances of the Berlioz Requiem (and any performances of it at all were then rare)were national events, and famous well beyond the North of England. They should be mentioned, surelyDelahays (talk) 00:02, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure I understand what you mean. What is it you want mentioned? That Harty conducted Berlioz' Requiem? That this (and similar events) were nationally recognised? If that is what you mean, I would say, first, it is impossible to mention all the works Harty ever conducted, even when they were "national events" (there would be too many), and, second, if you want to highlight the success Harty had with a work like the Berlioz Requiem, then simply edit the article at an appropriate place, but provide a source for your claim. Aklein62 (talk) 07:52, 14 February 2020 (UTC)