Talk:Harbu Darbu

Re the "death" thing
Yeah, it was taken as a death threat internationally, so I didn't edit THAT. However, there's more nuance to the translation. Hi, I'm an Israeli internet nerd. Disclosure: Left wing (Israeli left, it's different). Meretz voter. Jewish. Trying to be as neutral as I'm able to.

The lyrics are mostly about the military getting back at - Hamas? Gaza? "F-ers rat pack coming out of their holes (tunnels), doing 'Abu Ali' (slang for trying to look intimidating through lies) (some cussing) there will be no forgiveness" and calls them "Sons of Amalek". The start specifically targets the 2000 or so terrorists of 10/7, though the following text will also mention some of the powers backing them. Then the entire song takes patriotic pride in the IDF and says that they're coming after them - a style not uncommon in that song genre.

Then, at 2:00 on the video, the final verse / outro is (note that the captions in YouTube are wrong!) "Another X on the weapon" (a soldier's rifle gets an X on it when it has killed a terrorist, or so do rumors say. Or is that for any kills? I don't know. AFAIK it's after an American military tradition) Then every line is followed with: "Because every dog has its day" in Arabic, though that's a common phrase in Hebrew, verbatim. "Wait till we rain down on you, wh--res" "anyone who planned, who SUPPORTED, who performed, who murdered" - Khalifa et al are there for supporting Hamas. Be it the truth or not, that's what the lyric insinuates. "You're in a mess / pickle" "Have you heard?"

THEN they list anti-Israeli Middle East leaders who were part of the whole thing, and one slot has celebrities who support and justify the murders or Hamas in general. Again, in the eyes of the writers.

I understand how someone could think this calls for murder, especially if they're listed, especially if they don't speak the language and knows the nuances. Again, that's why I left the reactions section as-is. But as for the lyrics themselves, I turned the flames down.

I wrote this in that level of detail in case an editing war starts, and in case people discuss this without speaking the language. Now you have the tools to discuss it better.

For me, the song is aggressive, but it is street music style and this is a war and a retaliation for a terrible massacre. Is the type and amplitude of retaliation right? This is irrelevant to the song. The song says "let's go", not "bomb them all" and in no point mentions people that are not involved. 2A0D:6FC2:64A1:1600:B165:E8D7:5360:7462 (talk) 23:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Excellent summary, thank you EzStern (talk) 09:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, right-wing Israeli here (Israeli right, it's different:)
 * I would just like to emphasize that calling the song "genocidal" is a joke. Not only is there no mention of Gazan children or civilians in general, the lyrics are very clearly directed at Hamas. The very first line states "...rats coming out of the tunnel" i.e. the infamous Hamas terror tunnels.
 * פשוט לא מאמין שהמלחמה גרמה לי להקשיב לשיר הזה כ"כ הרבה פעמים... EzStern (talk) 09:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for providing your translation of some of the lyrics. There are a few English translations out there, some better than others, but I haven't seen anything definitive (as far as I know there has been no official release with translated lyrics). Some of the slang doesn't translate very well and phrases like "every dog gets his day" have a meaning that is opposite to the same phrase in English. I've seen some translations that seem to indicate that the song endorses writing the names of children from Gaza on the bombshells, which is clearly wrong. 2A0D:6FC2:64A1:1600:B165:E8D7:5360:7462 pointed out that "Another X on the weapon" refers to a soldier's rifle getting an X on it after killing a terrorist, but I couldn't find a source to confirm that. In the Times of Israel article, they say that Ness and Stilla "promise to 'X out' their enemies". Ultimately, we'll need to defer to the references, but I think we can cover any nuances or discrepancies in the translations through explanations in the notes section or by being clear about attribution where specific translations are contested.  gobonobo  + c 15:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * About the translation issue, I think this translation with its remarks is closer to what the authors of the song meant to say:
 * https://lyricstranslate.com/en/harbudarbu-harbu-darbu.html-0 GerillaBubble (talk) 16:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The commentary in that translation has broken English and is not phrased neutrally, suggesting a biased interpretation (e.g. "'Rats' are also a nickname for cowards, like Hamas, who were strong on women & children who they murdered and raped, unlike real soldiers."). gobonobo  + c 13:33, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not biased interpretation because this exactly what the song writers meant to say.
 * The song ITSELF is biased if you want to look at it in that way, and the hidden meaning in the remarks say exactly what the song really mean.
 * About broken English, everyone is welcome to comment there, and it will be fixed as needed. GerillaBubble (talk) 14:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think we have to be careful about original research (WP:OR) with regards to what the songwriters "meant to say". Let's stick to what reliable sources can confirm. gobonobo  + c 19:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The translation IS based on such a research, including interviews with the singers themselves.
 * Currently it's the most accurate translation that you can find around regarding what the singers "meant".
 * You can see one of the interviews here for example, where they confirm the issue of the "Another X on the weapon", among other things: https://www.ynet.co.il/entertainment/article/yokra13739874
 * It's in Hebrew, and behind a paywall, and same for many of the other interviews. so I won't bother to link it all. GerillaBubble (talk) 20:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The Ynet interview is a source we can use. Any others like that would be welcome too. The lyricstranslate.com site however is WP:USERGENERATED, so it can't be used as a reference. gobonobo  + c 23:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The lyricstranslate.com is just where I maintain the English translation.
 * I don't try to use this website as a source for here. What I tried to say is that I used many validated sources to create the remarks and translation there.
 * I still edit it there whenever I see a new validated sources or insights. GerillaBubble (talk) 23:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, a centrist Israeli here. I would like to add on that.
 * The "calling for the deaths of... as well as Western celebrities Bella Hadid, Mia Khalifa and Dua Lipa" sentence is factually wrong and needs to be changed. The phrase used here is "Every dog has it's day", meaning that every criminal will get his punishment. It's not "calling for death".
 * As written here in the Hebrew Wikitionary, this is the meaning of the phrase: https://he.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9B%D7%9C_%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%91_%D7%91%D7%99%D7%92%27%D7%99_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%95 Omnipresent1212 (talk) 22:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Harbu Darbu: Mala interpretación
En ningun momento se pide la muerte de los artistas, la cancion dice a cada perro le llegara su dia despues de nombrar a Dua Lipa y las demas, que es un dicho arabe, que significa que cada persona, obtiene lo que se merece. Aaron Mijael (talk) 03:30, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @ ¿Tienes fuentes fiables? Por ejemplo . gobonobo  + c 18:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Should the chart code and table be changed?
I dunno, I think since this is English Wikipedia we should follow the previous Country (Chart name) format instead of the current format which is similar to Hebrew Wikipedia. Also add weekly charts into the mix as well. Would like to hear your takes on this... Marcecarjordan (talk) 06:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd support this, but don't have much experience formatting music charts. It looks like many articles use Template:Single chart, but I don't think that template supports the Israeli charts that we're using here. gobonobo  + c 19:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

YouTube video view count update

 * What I think should be changed (format using textdiff): Update view count for official YouTube video from "over 8 million views" to "over 12 million views"
 * Why it should be changed: Significant rise in view count in the last month since last edit (4+ million)
 * References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): Current Youtube video metrics on official referenced link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rk3n9V-aQs

Flight884 (talk) 00:58, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅. gobonobo  + c 19:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 January 2024
Change : " The song's name is a distortion of the Syrian Arabic حرب وضرب, meaning "swords and strikes". " to " The song's name is a distortion of the Syrian Arabic حرب وضرب, meaning "war and strike". " Aghiles214 (talk) 23:27, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've adjusted the phrasing to include the translations, "war strike" and "mayhem", which were confirmed by one of the sources. If you have a source that specifically uses "war and strike", please provide it. gobonobo  + c 17:53, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Note b about Amalek

 * What I think should be changed: 
 * Why it should be changed: Amalek is referenced multiple times in the Tanakh, and Netanyahu referenced the aforementioned passage from Devarim, not from Samuel Chapter 1. The currently provided passage is irrelevant to the Netanyahu quote. The PMO later released a statement saying that the same passage appears in a permanent exhibit at the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum, as well at a memorial in The Hague for Dutch Jews murdered in the Holocaust. “Obviously neither reference is an incitement to genocide of the German people,” the PMO said.

76.65.117.71 (talk) 06:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅. The quote has been changed to the Chabad translation, including 25:19 as well. gobonobo  + c 00:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Jan 22 rv
@user:Gobonobo, text at this rv: special:diff/1197976827 is directly supported by the song lyrics. Do we really need to ref them again an again in each sentence? TaBaZzz (talk) 18:00, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sourced content was removed and replaced with wording that the sources don't back up. The addition of "was interpreted by some" goes directly against the sourcing. . The "wait for [bombs] to rain on you like a debt," comes directly from The Forward article. Claiming that the review misinterpreted the slang is original research.  gobonobo  + c 20:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Bardelas
Bardelas is a mixed-gender light infantry battalion within the Paran brigade, alongside Caracal Battalion and others. This is a reference to gender equality within the IDF and includes women combat soldiers in the rallying cry. Women are not only “attracted to male combat soldiers in uniform,” they are combat soldiers in their own right.

Bardelas Battalion 194.90.89.5 (talk) 09:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Calling for death of celebrities
It doesn’t. They’re is not one line that indicates that. 141.226.93.108 (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Well, clearly it does. People on the Internet said so.
 * Jokes aside, the song is deplorable, but to make an accusation that serious against living people, Wikipedia requires very reliable sourcing. It should say "appears to call for" or "has been interpreted to call for" if they can't find a better source.
 * This is a time to use the Sagan standard.
 * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability 2603:7081:1603:A300:6158:FD0B:E495:2F27 (talk) 00:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't call for the death of celebrities
it doesn't 184.89.50.34 (talk) 01:58, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The Independent: An Israeli rap duo have reportedly called for the deaths of Dua Lipa, Bella Hadid and Mia Khalifa in a song which has shot to the top of charts in Israel. It then goes on to translate the relevant portion at the end, the part where it says All the IDF units are coming to do Harbu Darbu on their heads. ... Wait till we drop it like rain on you wh***s. All who planned, supported, executed, murdered. You’re in trouble. You hear? ... Nasrallah. Mohammed Deif. Haniyeh. Abu Baklawa. Bella Hadid. Dua Lipa. Mia Khalifa. Every dog will get what’s coming to them.  nableezy  - 02:01, 23 February 2024 (UTC)