Talk:Hardee's/Archives/2012

Initial message
Okay, that link to Carl'es Jr. is recursive, which is a little strange, but I'm not changing it since someday there could be a link to it by itself. Xyzzyva 10:36, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

Headquarters location
I changed the headquarters location since CKE moved the Hardee's offices to St. Louis from Rocky Mount in 2001.

Motion to Merge
I suggest an expansion of Carl's Jr. article with detailed information regarding Hardee's and change of Hardee's article to a simple redirect to the Carl's Jr. article. Anybody against it? - Deron Dantzler 17:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I would definitely vote no. I think the Carl's Jr article should have a summary of the Hardee's article (mentioning the takeover/merger) and one of these sorts of links: --Skidoo 22:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Agree with Skidoo. There are more Hardee's outlets than Carl's Jr. Also, Hardee's is an older concept. Dreamshop78 (talk) 06:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)dreamshop78

I vote no. The Hardee's history is long and predates Carl's Jr's interest in the business by decades. We have stand alone articles for airlines, railroads and department stores that were later merged or absorbed by other firms, thereby losing their original identities, but the origins warrant independent documentation and accounts to my way of thinking. I feel the existence of the predecessor's article is well justified as a stand-alone piece. Mark Sublette (talk) 07:53, 6 December 2010 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 07:53, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Superb breakfast menu
this is POV statement without any corroboration... what's on the menu? what about that menu is "superb"? Pedant 02:11, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC)

Carl's Jr.
Is Hardee's a variant of Carl's Jr.? I believe they both use a similar logo, owned by the same parent company and have similar food menus. --SuperDude 03:11, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it appears they are the same company with different names for different regions. Unforunately their websites don't explain this very well. See carlsjr.com and hardees.com 70.230.190.154 22:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The menus aren't exactly the same. Carl's Jr. doesn't sell roast beef sandwiches anymore. They discontinued the California Roast Beef in the 80's (probably the worst mistake the company has ever made. The CRB was the best roast beef sandwich on the planet. The second worst misteke was discontinuing the wedge sliced potatoes. Much better than the current french fry offering).

Hardee's doesn't sell the Western Bacon Cheeseburger..... I'm sure there are other differences. Maybe CKE should combine the best of the two menus and offer all items coast to coast under a single restaurant name? -Bootstrap Bill

17:35, 1 April 2007 (UTC)71.58.153.168== Advertisements and Carl's Jr. ==

Many of the ads that I've seen are exactly the same for both chains, except at the very end, the Hardee's ads will have the voiceover say "Hardee's" and the Carl's Jr. ads will say "Carl's Jr," for example, with the chicken breast strips campaign. I'm not entirely sure how to incorporate this into either the Hardee's article or the Carl's Jr. article...

Alyssa3467 19:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

In the 70's Hardees had a mascot in the form of a cowboy dressed in orange. I came here looking for information on him but since nothing was listed I figured I'd mention it here.

Locations
I live in the St. Louis area and we have several hardees restaurants... For instance there are 13 within ten miles of my zip code. I believe the east coast portion of the opening sentance should be deleted, and a new sentance saying something to the effect of: Hardees restuarnats are scattered throughout the United States, mostly in the Midwest, Southeast, and East-Coast regions. In fact, their map shows that the majority of the locations are in the midwest, south-east, and middle south states like the carolinas, georgia, kentucky, etc. and not mostly the east coast...


 * With Carl's Jr. having 13 states and Hardee's having 31 states (although CJr has higher density), it might be best to state that "Carl's Jr. is a West Coast brand" and "Hardee's is the brand outside of the West coast".

New England?
I doubt there's an anwser, but why aren't there any Carl's Jr. or Hardees in New England? 70.88.213.74 (talk) 19:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Burnout Revenge?
I could be wrong, but I think the Mobile Diner vehicle in the game Burnout Revenge has the Hardee's logo on it. Can anyone confirm? -Unknownwarrior33 21:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

From Answers.com: The Action/Racing video game Burnout Revenge contains Hardee's advertising. In the game, players can see Hardee's billboards as well as Hardee's delivery trucks driving on the roads.You can also unlock the Hardee's vehicle and play as it ingame. -Caleson 10 June 2006

Electric Grills? I worked at a Hardee's in NJ circa 1976 while in high school and we definately used a gas grill for cooking all of the hamburgers and steak sandwiches, contrary to the article indicating an electric grill. The food was good but the retaurant was going downhill quickly. Certain menu items were not well promoted and tended to sit around for extended periods of time, probably contibuting to the poor food quality of the store in general. At the time I worked there, it wasn't an overly popular fast food chain as McD's, Ginos', Burger king, and other food places were all within a mile on a major highway. Food tended to sit in the warmer area longer than it should have. The store closed within a year of my working there, but I just moved a quarter mile down the road to Gino's (which is now gone also!). They were actually a great place to work for high school students at the time. Unfortunately, this type of job is probably below most high school student today, who have most things handed to them.

Have all of the Hardee's in Minnesota closed?

Minnesota
Have all of the Hardee's locations in Minnesota closed? They have in the Duluth area.

History/Commentary
Suggest "Form Over Substance" part and below of the History section be moved to the marketing section. Perhaps the comparison with Wendy's should belong on another page discussing Fast Food restaurants in general. Also, the Today part could be split into the "Star Hardees" era until 2003 and the "Thickburger" era since then, as the menus, marketing, and financial performance have changed significantly. As for combining Hardees with Carl's Jr, I'd vote no on that, as to customers they appear as separate brands and have very different histories; since the CKE merger both brands have been converging but more recently they have been diverging with Hardee's ThickBurger focus. Chip8888 03:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the brands have been diverging since the Thickburger campaign. Carl's Jr sells the Thickburger too. They just call it the Six Dollar Burger. But I still agree they deserve separate entries. --Skidoo 22:26, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The article mentions how Hardee's advertized that it served Roy Rogers fried chicken, and used this to compete against KFC. Hardee's already had a number of locations in the Washington DC area before it took over Roys. When it took over, it rebranded the Roys locations Hardees, but each sign said "with Roy's Fried Chicken." The Roy's Fried Chicken language was also added to the Hardees signs at the pre-existing Hardees locations. However, due to the widespread popularity and brand loyalty to Roys in the DC area, Hardees later changed all its DC locations into Roys. After this, the new Roy Roger's signs said "with Hardee's breakfast" -- since the widespread (and correct) perception being that while Roy's food was generally superior, Hardees had the better breakfast. I'm sure this is all documented somewhere, there were numerous articles about it at the time. What's interesting here is that the acquisition of Roys actually lead to the disappearance of Hardees in the DC area, since they all turned into Roys. Now the the Roys have dissapeared to, since they have all be sold to McDonalds now. Note, I believe Hardee's only bought the Roys in the DC area -- no one has ever heard of Hardees in Phila-NJ-NYC. The Roy's in those areas never turned into Hardees and then back to Roys, and weren't sold to McDonalds. Nickhanlon (talk) 16:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Menu List
For this article, I thought it'd be interesting to try and create a list of the many Hardee's food products, past and present. Being able to look at the variety of products including those discontinued (ex: fried chicken, pancakes, pizza pockets, that fried jalapeno Thick Burger) would be insightful for viewers as well as encyclopedic, and we could attempt to fill in dates of introduction and discontinuity. You'll see I started this on the Planters page. Thoughts? Cale 05:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that would be a great idea, although I'm not sure where to find a source for such information. Do we just rely on people's memories? That seems hardly authoritative. How do you suggest such research be done? --Aaron 21:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Definitely a violation of No original research. -- Donald Albury 02:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm certain of everything I previously listed, but it would be nice to find the actual information somewhere. Maybe just a small section dedicated to describing the range of different foods the menu has included at one time or another would be nice, not necessarily listing the "official" names of foods (i.e. Pizza Pockets). Seems unlikely to find any sort of documentation on this though. Cale 16:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the article deserves at least one sentence noting that they used to sell fried chicken (which used to account for 40% of their food sales but was discontinued for marketing reasons (they were later criticized as consumers didn't appreciate this change)--2000 annual 10q report)Sentriclecub (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2008 (UTC) Also, can someone confirm that hardee's still sells the frisco melt? I came to this page to find out if it is sold outside of my home-state.

Red Burrito dual branding
Here in Indianapolis, the most visible Hardee's location now has the Red Burrito logo co-branding on all of their signs, yet there's no sign of Mexican food on their menu. Has a timetable been announced for Midwest expansion? Lambertman 22:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes many are. I am currently an employee of Hardees and some are and will be getting some mexican food. For awhile the Hardees where I work had the Taco Salad, but we stopped about three weeks ago after the Southwest Chicken came out. The timetable I am not too sure of, should probably be by May or around, not totally sure.


 * for the record, they finally launched this week. Lambertman 19:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Menu items
I noticed there is no link to Monster Thickburger - there probably should be, but I can't think of where to put it. Maybe a list, in which case can anyone think of what menu items should be listed and get their own articles? —Random832 2007-01-27 21:39 UTC (01/27 16:39 EST)

Merge
As this article is about a fast food menu item, I suggested a merge back to the Hardee's topic. It's just another bacon cheeseburger with no sign of notability. -- Mikeblas 05:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Extreme POV
In the "form over substance" section there is extreme and completely unsourced negative POV information. If citation isn't added soon and there aren't any strong objections, I'm going to remove the entire section, as it seems to be more a personal rant than a neutral point of view. G3noWhirl 19:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I just edited some comments by User:BurgerChef on both this page and the Burger Chef page with an extreme POV against Hardee's pertaining to the re-introduction of the "Big Shef" burger to prevent a POV violation. WAVY 10 18:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Ad campaign edits
I edited the section on this regional ad campaign and removed self-promotional and non-relevant details listed in the removed edit below. None of the other national campaigns in this article listed ad agencies involved, and I have only come across one other article (Maytag) that lists any credit in a corporate article. The source listed is pretty much a press release reprinted in the local paper. Removed: "The campaign was developed by Coptix and Big Boom Town." Flowanda | Talk 01:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added a request for a third-party opinion after receiving no response here or from the  editor who added and restored this content. Flowanda | Talk 00:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As third-opinion, I agree that this is self-promotion. Unless there is some encyclopedic value in mentioning Coptix (such as some media repercussion on their particular involvement), it is trivial. It's akin to the policy on the inclusion of crimes in gun articles: unless there was particular reaction for the gun being used such as legislation changes, there's no need to mention the crime in the gun article. In this case, if there's no repercussion on Coptix being used for the campaign, no need to mention Coptix, especially given our sensitivity to self-promotion. And on a sidenote, people have to get off the bad habit of labeling reverts as "rvv": that means vandalism, and content edits are not the same thing as vandalism just because you happen to disagree with them.--Dali-Llama 02:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Third opinion on advertising section
Well, this really isn't a 3rd opinion since the editor who reverted your changes didn't post, but here goes anyway.

I really see no harm in stating what companies developed the campaign, or in linking to the Wikipedia article on one of the companies. This falls under my preference for more information instead of less. However, an external link to the campaign website in the article text itself does seem too spammy, especially when the other campaigns listed have no such link. I've removed it. That link, if absolutely necessary, can be added to the external link section. Otherwise, it can stay out. The reference cited doesn't look much like a press release to me (no "about x company, about y company" paragraphs, etc.) If a press release is where they got their information, so be it. The reference cited is still a reputable source. The reference doesn't have any links to the advertising agencies etc. to make me think it's overly promotional.

My opinion is to leave the article as it stands after my edit to remove the direct link to the campaign. --Darkwind (talk) 02:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Another fansite
This one is dedicated to the old Sandy's chain, and though it mentions that there is VERY little info on that chain online (and that this site isn't a POV attack page like the Burger Chef one); should this be listed? WAVY 10 13:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Big Twin? Big Deluxe?
I grew up in North Carolina eating at Hardee's, and I have never heard of either one of these. The Hardee's I ate at served the Huskee, and Huskee Jr. Where in the world did this information come from? -- Elaich   talk 13:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe the Hardee's down there chose to keep the burger names of the local chain that Hardee's bought out? I hadn't heard of any "Huskee" names. Lambertman 15:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

When I worked at the Hardee's franchise in Fort Walton Beach, Florida in 1973 we served the Deluxe, the Junior Deluxe, and the standard hamburger and cheeseburger. Mark Sublette 17:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette 17:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

The Big Twin was my favorite burger when I was in college (Auburn University in Alabama). I can still remember Hardees discontinuing the Big Twin there about the same time they ripped out the chargrills. The chargrills were piled behind the building and lay there for a long time.  Mark @ DailyNetworks  talk  18:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Another Advert Controversy
Wasn't there a recent controversy over a recent commercial involving the new Patty Melt? WAVY 10 12:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Products & nutrition
An editor recently removed the new breakfast burrito saying it was not worthy of inclusion. This vendor as well as the product has been heavily criticized in the media for promoting a high calorie\fat menu. This item received significant coverage in the press when it was released, similar to that of the Monster Thickburger. This makes it notable and worthy of inclusion in the article.

- Jeremy (Jerem43 (talk) 05:49, 17 November 2007 (UTC))


 * I do not agree. The item has not been on the menu long enough to become a staple, and may only be a temporary offering. That makes it not notable enough have it's own section in a Wikipedia article. It could be mentioned in a subsection about the company's dismal record on nutrition. I am removing it again. -- Elaich   talk 17:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I say the burrito stays. Elaich, notability guidelines only apply to articles themselves - not the content of those articles (see below). The burrito enjoyed lots of mainstream press and criticism, so it supports the pertinent topic "Products & nutrition". If they discontinue the product, then maybe deletion or rewriting in past tense should be considered. But like it or not, the product is part of the Hardee's history. I'm restoring. Frzl (talk) 06:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

"Notability guidelines give guidance on whether a topic is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia as a separate article, but do not specifically regulate the content of articles, which is governed by other guidelines such as those on using reliable sources and on handling trivia. The particular topics and facts within an article are not each required to meet the standards of the notability guidelines." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NNC#Notability_guidelines_do_not_directly_limit_article_content

What's it all about?
It would be useful if it said in the introduction what characterizes Hardee's and sets it apart from other QSRs. Thanks. Maikel (talk) 08:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Charbroiled Burgers name replacing Thickburger brand?
Can someone PLEASE provide a source for this, as the article has gone back and forth pertaining to whether or not this is correct? WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 19:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

The Thickburger name will stay for the foreseeable future.--BethMansfield (talk) 06:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Moose mascot
what wuz the name uvv the moose mascot they had on da cups in da 90s? i am 6 yeers old and mommy got me a cup with him onn it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.166.241.215 (talk) 21:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

"1960s logo"
I have seen no evidence that Hardee's used a star as an apostrophe decades before their involvement with Carl's Jr. Lambertman (talk) 14:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

New York
If you look at the map on Hardee's web site, there are none in New York. The map on this page might be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.99.35 (talk) 16:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)