Talk:Harvey Milk/Archive 1

'flaming homosexuals'
Re: Use of the phrase 'flaming homosexuals' in the first part - isn't this a derogatory term? 137.205.8.2 12:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC) Tospasto, 26 May 2007
 * Possibly but not always, flamboyant is coded for LGBT so it really depends on context. Benjiboi 23:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Deep in the Heart of Texas
So..."Milk lived for a time in Dallas, Texas but as a Jew had difficulty in finding and keeping a job" - citation? Compare with:

"Anti-Semitism has not been as pronounced in Texas as in other places." 

Could there be other reasons for the employment difficulties? Other than the good ole boys, that is. 194.46.234.202 22:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC) 194.46.234.202 22:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Here in Western Australia, we have Harvey Fresh Milk. - Mark Ryan 03:37, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Discrepancy between Whites's replacement
In Dan White's wikipedia entry, Don Horanzy is named as Dan White's replacement on the SF Board of Supervisors, but in Harvey Milk's entry Harry Britt is named as White's replacement. I assume one of these are incorrect. Which one is correct? --Tjdigit 16:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Harry Britt is the correct answer. This is true according to the documentary, "The Times of Harvey Milk". There have also been some edits to this article, removing information that was in the documentary, and "dumbing down" the article. I don't know why that was done but I'll restore the factual information at some point. Jtpaladin 17:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Some of it it is homophobia, some juvenile vandalism and some just misunderstandings. Benjiboi 00:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Inaccuracy regarding Dan White's suicide
The article reports that Dan White committed suicide while on parole. This is inaccurate. He committed suicide while living in San Francisco. The terms of his parole prevented him from entering San Francisco, let alone living there. His parole had ended, and he had to seek special permission to move back to San Francisco. He lived there for not quite a year, and then committed suicide.
 * You're totally welcome to make edits to the article. -Seth Mahoney 17:45, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

No Citation on "celebration" reports
I removed the following:

"There are reports that his old colleagues cheered and applauded him when he arrived to surrender." because there was no citation and it is not mentioned in the documentary, "The Times of Harvey Milk". I watched the documentary on the Logo Channel and I did not hear that being reported about Dan White's surrender. If I'm mistaken, please re-post and give citation. Also, the riots are not well covered in this article so from the notes I took from the documentary, I have to come back and fill in that info. --Jtpaladin 23:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

About that new photo..
Which is great, by the way, thank you -- it's a *little* overpowering at its current size -- is there a way to reduce to thumbnail or thereabouts? Zero sharp 21:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Harvey milk.jpg
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Footnotes, sources, further reading, and the nofootnotes tag
Please do not re-add the nofootnotes tag to the sources/further reading section. It serves no purpose. The article is already extensively sourced, with an exceptional number of inline citations and resulting footnotes. All the tag does is place the article in a cleanup category, and the editors who monitor the category will just look at it and say "Huh?". If you believe the Shilts and Weiss books and the NY Times story should be cited inline to support specific assertions in the article, please just add them yourself; it's not easy for others to try to read your mind and guess where you think they might be needed.

On the other hand, those three sources -- two books specifically about the subject of the article, and a major article in a prominent newspaper -- make excellent examples of what is intended by "Further reading" sections. The "Further reading" section is for "any books, articles, web pages, et cetera that you recommend as further reading, useful background, or sources of further information to readers ... [and] is generally for resources on the topic that are not specifically cited in the article." Thanks, --MCB (talk) 07:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Disagree, this article was built on those sources and as such should be kept as such. You first removed the tag as stale, which it wasn't and now you claim the tag serves no purpose which is also untrue. I believe most of the sources currently on the article are ones I added covering only sections of content. Are you with the clean-up crew that would be confused by the tag? I'm unclear why a clean-up tag should not be kept as the subject of the article has two movies en route so the article should indeed be cleaned up. Benji boi 07:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure I understand your comments. What exactly do you propose be done with the article? If you believe that the sources in that section should be cited inline, go ahead and cite them inline. There's nothing wrong with suggesting improvements in an article, but that's not the right tag -- it means something specific, and is meant to be applied to the article itself or a section which lacks footnotes (which the article and its sections by no means does). Instead, it seems as if you are saying "here are some sources, now go find what they pertain to in the article," which I think you would agree is not something reasonable to ask of a cleanup task force.


 * By way of contrast, those sources, being general in nature, would make an excellent "Further reading" section. (My apology for the "stale" assumption; I thought the tag had been applied at at time when there were in fact, no footnotes in the article, which is the usual case for a template named, well, "nofootnotes".) Best --MCB (talk) 08:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps there is a better tag that would indicate these are used as primary sources but they should be converted to inline citations rather than listed in this manner. Those books are great sources whereas traditionally "further reading" is for items that are helpful to understand the subject but don't cover material in the article itself. My hope is that those who originally wrote some of the content and cited those sources will be able to convert them. Benji boi 09:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

PROPOSED RE-WRITING OF THE INTRO PARAGRPH
Harvey Bernard Milk, (22 May 1930 – 27 November 1978), self-described "Mayor of Castro Street", became a prominent gay historical figure by being the first openly gay person elected to a substantial political seat in the world (he was elected to San Francisco's Board of Supervisors in 1977). He became a gay icon just after Thanksgiving in 1978 by being assassinated, along with Mayor George Moscone, by then recently-resigned supervisor Dan White, whose relatively minor conviction for the crime led to the White Night Riots in San Francisco. During a time of political backlash against the gay community, Milk's political rise coincided with the growing discontent felt within the San Francisco during 1977. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.204.138.106 (talk) 18:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't support this as it presents some original research - the part about when he became a gay icon and it needs to conform to Wikiedia's Manual of Style. Benji boi 20:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)