Talk:Heiligenkreuz Abbey

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Justifications:
 * Why I used the Latin name and not the German:
 * Because people who read English usually don't read German, but they may know some Latin. The Latin name is taken intact from a medieval pictorial representation of the monastery.
 * Why I didn't use the title Holy cross monastery:
 * Because there are many monasteries with that name, so it will become a disambiguation page some time.

.'. Optim 03:48, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC) .'.

I take your comments on board, but the German name is much the more commonly used in English, so I've moved it. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 10:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

partly incorrect edit rv
I've learned that anon editors are always wrong, but wouldn't it be useful to specify which parts are "incorrect"? 85.178.179.82 (talk) 09:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure thing: the oldest continuously occupied Cistercian monastery in the world (the second oldest after Rein Abbey is correct - somebody from a German ISP changed this without considering the word "continuously". Rein has not been continuously occupied. Hope that helps. Testbed (talk) 14:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

never did anything on here, but why is the introduction still mentioning this wrong "fact"...

Importance of CD
Feline Hymnic has

1) removed any mention of the CD from the intro - I disagree. Given the sales of the album (figures vary but I have seen references to one million sold) it seems reasonable to assume that many more people may come to this article because of the CD than just because of the Abbey - in any case, the CD is (whether it suits or not) now a significant part of the notability of the subject

2) removed mention of the Classical Brits, which given the relative importance of these (as against the ECHO awards in Germany, which has been left in) is odd and seems unencyclopaedic.

BTW I notice that German Wikipedia has two separate (rather bizarrely-titled) articles, which is another way to handle this. Cistercian (talk) 18:52, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * And here are the two German-language articles, one named after the Abbey, the other named (in English) apparently after the Heiligenkreuz community but in fact it's just about the CD (and should probably be renamed Chant: Music For Paradise or such like). But this may only make complete sense in a German-language context (my German is not good enough to understand the possible nuances nor to get into a debate with literal-minded German-speaking editors):-


 * Stift Heiligenkreuz and The Cistercian Monks of Stift Heiligenkreuz

Cistercian (talk) 19:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Alternative photos?
The introductory image of the abbey is almost hidden by trees. But there are a whole lot of fantastic pictures on the monastery website, e.g.

Picture of Heiligenkreuz Abbey from the air

And (if my German is correct) these images are free-use under GFDL on the condition that they are credited ©www.stift-heiligenkreuz.at (see )

When I have some more time, I'll have a go at uploading etc. Cistercian (talk) 19:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Clarification of lead
I see this linguistic issue has already been dealt with by another editor some three years ago but perhaps I can help make things clearer.

Heiligenkreuz Abbey is the oldest continuously occupied Cistercian monastery in the world. German-speakers (some relying on the self-produced website of Rein) keep inserting the word "second" (as in "second oldest continuously religiously functioning Cistercian monastery"), ignoring the way this English sentence is put together.

Rein is the oldest Cistercian monastery in the world; Heiligenkreuz is the oldest continuously occupied Cistercian monastery in the world. Hope that's clear now. Cistercian (talk) 05:59, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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