Talk:Hellingly Hospital Railway

B class assessment
Does the article have:

A particularly useful picture or graphic? Yes.

Multiple links that help explain or illustrate the topic? Yes A subheading that fully treats an element of the topic? Yes

Multiple subheadings that indicate material that could be added to complete the article? Yes

Article seems to cover the subject well, with no major omissions. Therefore I'm happy to grade this as B class. Mjroots (talk) 08:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


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Cheers, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  14:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC) Juliancolton Tropical  Cyclone  14:39, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Pantograph or Tolley Pole?
The article says that both the loco and the railcar were fitted with pantographs and includes a reference, however the photo of the loco shows a trolley pole Talltim (talk) 00:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The Harding book (which seems pretty definitive) goes with single trolley pole on each unit. Good catch! –  iride scent  00:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Pre-emptive note
I'm aware that "British Isles" is a controversial term, but have used it deliberately; "Great Britain and Ireland" or "UK & Ireland" aren't suitable substitutes, since Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney and the Isle of Man all had (in the latter two cases, still have) their own rail networks. –  iride scent  01:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Voltage
No mention is made of the voltage that the line was electrified at in the article. Is this a case of something that is not known, or just an oversight? Mjroots (talk) 05:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Stones (1957), p. 869 mentions 500V d.c. - standard tramway voltage.


 * BTW, the references in this article are now becoming cluttered with multiple referals back to full inline citations. I propose to separate the inline citations "Notes" from the bibliography "References". Regards Oxonhutch (talk) 10:53, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Reference
 * Stones, H.R. (1957) "The Hellingly Hospital Railway", Railway Magazine 103 (680:December), p. 869–872


 * If you think it warrants it, by all means. The only sources used more than once (at present) are Harding, Stones and Mitchell & Smith and I didn't feel it warranted splitting out the bibliography for the sake of three sources, but I've certainly no objection to it if others think it's warranted. –  iride scent  11:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

External link removed
I've removed the external link that requires a £2/$4 payment to view it as per WP:ELNO. I don't see that the link serves any useful purpose other than to attempt to make the website it links to more money. Mjroots (talk) 15:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * This wasn't added by a spammer, but was one of the sources I used in writing the article (although I've not included any material from it that isn't backed up by a print source, and have avoided citing it as there are free-access alternatives for everything taken from it). I agree it technically violates WP:EL, and if you think it really needs to be removed I certainly don't think it's worth edit-warring over – however, I'd personally say that even the free portion of the video available on that site is potentially of interest (although less so now that the photograph of the station in operation is on the article). Someone has now started an article on Hellingly Hospital (it was a redlink at the time I originally wrote this) so it would probably be more appropriate there; there's so little material on the hospital in its current half-open, half-derelict state, that I think including this would be a legitimate invocation of WP:IAR despite it being a paysite. (WP:ELNO isn't a blanket ban on paysites, but just a "try to avoid" guideline.) –  iride scent  16:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that it would probably be more suited to the Hellingly Hospital article. Taking into consideration your comments above I would have no objection if it was added to that article. Mjroots (talk) 10:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Spoken version added
I have added a spoken version of this article; see the link above and on the article itself. (Had to, really, being a Sussex-based rail enthusiast!!)  Hassocks  5489 (tickets please!)  22:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that! (Is it really pronounced "helling-lie" and not "helling-lee"? I'm not sure I've ever actually heard the name spoken out loud – I always assumed it rhymed with Amberley or Crawley.) –  iride scent  16:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It is; it's one of those Sussex pronunciation oddities (one of many!). Ardingly and Chiddingly are other examples.   Hassocks  5489 (tickets please!)  11:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

EXcellent work you guys! keep up the good work Irocksockes1 (talk) 03:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that in Sussex villages ending in -ly are generally pronounced as though the ending was -lye. Mjroots (talk) 08:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment
Wikipedia really is setting new standards for obscurity... Not that I think this shouldn't be an FA, it's just... so... inconsequential... Brutannica (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes but… Firstly, one of Wikipedia's key strengths is that it covers topics the print encyclopedias don't touch (Britannica of Encarta will tell you all about Martin Luther, but not Ælfheah of Canterbury); secondly, while certainly obscure this looks more obscure than it is – the explosive growth of suburbia fuelled by electrification in the early 20th century means that in many ways the history of south-east England – and Chicago, Berlin, Moscow… – means the history of the geography of these areas in the period is the history of rail electrification (try to picture New York City or London if the only modes of transport were steam locomotives, horses and the occasional automobile); and as one of the earliest electrification schemes, things like this helped prove the viability of short-distance electric railways, paving the way for the subway systems that appeared in the following decades. –  iride scent  21:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Had the internet existed 100 years ago we certainly wouldn't be having this conversation. The Google Testers would be wetting themselves at the number of ghits. What will set new standards for obscurity are the thousands of third-tier professional baseball players and obscure television show plots that will still be floating around here in 100 years because notability is not temporary. AngoraFish   木  21:18, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering how on earth this is notable enough to have an article, nevermind being a FA! Computerjoe 's talk 22:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Three books, a magazine article and several website articles for a start. —  Tivedshambo   (t/c) 22:52, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. People must love books on obscure subjects! Computerjoe 's talk 23:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * People do! How do you think Wikipedia has exceeded 2 million articles?
 * Besides, don't you think that a hospital with its own railway is notable? Sheesh! Well done guys, an excellent candidate for the front page. EdJogg (talk) 00:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, iridescent basically satisfied me... although I almost think his/her comments should be included in the article. Brutannica (talk) 08:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

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