Talk:High-definition optical disc format war

Image copyright problem with File:Blu-ray Disc.svg
The image File:Blu-ray Disc.svg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check


 * That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
 * That this article is linked to from the image description page.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Media copyright questions. --04:42, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Please don't use the term "war"
This is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. There were no soldiers and armies, so it wasn't a war. Thanks 79.181.211.28 (talk) 11:29, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You are mistaken. It is not only tabloids that call format wars "wars". Encyclopedias use the terminology chosen by reputable sources, simple as that. 90.229.34.175 (talk) 12:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

tipping point
I object to describing 2008 as "the tipping point" of the war. A tipping point of WWII could be Stalingrad.

But after the tipping point there would be much of the war to remain, and indeed, it would not be obvious to contemporary parties that the tipping point actually were one at the time.

None of this is appropriate for the format war. The 2008 decision by studios weren't "a tipping point". It was the death blow, evidenced by Toshiba's surrender only a month later.

I do not think there can be consensus of any "tipping points" of this war; too much happened behind closed doors for that.

But what we can do is to describe the 2008 studio decisions, and what would be appropriate would be to use language such as "the deciding blow" or "the final nail in the coffin" or somesuch, making it clear that there was no or next to no more fighting left to be done by that time. 90.229.34.175 (talk) 12:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

"Won the war"
Until there is an extensively overwhelming case for a 'victor', I don't think claiming Blu-Ray won is a legitimate statement to any degree. Almost all computers use exclusively HD DVD drives, as do plenty of modern devices of all kinds. The fact that Toshiba (and Toshiba alone) stopped producing HD DVD players is not an indisputable victory. --Sgtlion (talk) 23:03, 10 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Reliable secondary sources of the time gave Blu-ray the nod as victor--and some of those sources are cited in the article. Even now, it's not difficult to find articles online from the period declaring Blu-ray the winner--becoming the optical medium of choice for distributing high-def titles. If you think otherwise, or if more recent observers now see it differently, please provide some sources that make the point. Nothing is in stone, but WP:V as always. Barte (talk) 06:51, 11 March 2014 (UTC) Just to add one more--here's Times 2009 listing of HD DVD among "The 10 Biggest Tech Failures of the Last Decade" Barte (talk) 15:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * "Almost all computers use exclusively HD DVD drives" ... er, no. 62.56.57.66 (talk) 10:54, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

well I think the main issue is that as a format neither HD DVD or Blu Ray have been that successful. The rise of internet downloads and streaming have made the formats largely obsolete. Blu Ray never really supplanted ordinary DVD's as the main format for disc based media, and ordinary DVD's continue to persist in a way which VHS did not when DVD was first introduced. For example when looking at the top selling DVD vs top selling Blu-Ray in the USA we see that the DVD format still seems dominant. Blu-ray: http://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/bluray-sales/2014 DVD: http://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/dvd-sales/2014 I would not hesitate to say this is the case in other markets, a cursory look on the Amazon UK store at the DVD/Blu Ray section seems to show many more DVD than Blu Ray on sale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fdsdh1 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Given the huge rise of digital downloads, were there really any winners in the HD DVD/Blu-ray format war? (Fdsdh1 (talk) 19:29, 10 November 2015 (UTC))
 * Your argument seems plausible, but we need a better reference than these raw numbers. The reference needs to interpret the numbers, as you have, to make the case. Barte (talk) 03:35, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 4 one external links on High definition optical disc format war. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080124181826/http://www.ecommercetimes.com:80/story/n6BNgaGjf2Pdrz/Microsoft-Intel-Back-Toshibas-HD-DVD.xhtml to http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/n6BNgaGjf2Pdrz/Microsoft-Intel-Back-Toshibas-HD-DVD.xhtml
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080109145236/http://ap.google.com:80/article/ALeqM5iA0y8iwFYWXZBt84MP_jrLjyVCsgD8U0JK4O0 to http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iA0y8iwFYWXZBt84MP_jrLjyVCsgD8U0JK4O0
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080214123144/http://biz.yahoo.com:80/ap/080211/netflix_blu_ray.html?.v=1 to http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080211/netflix_blu_ray.html?.v=1
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080226102511/http://ap.google.com:80/article/ALeqM5ifXeLMB28kre9AK-YgVq7Y4ZEJ9wD8V0RI780 to http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ifXeLMB28kre9AK-YgVq7Y4ZEJ9wD8V0RI780

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

Cheers.—cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online 16:17, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on High-definition optical disc format war. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/biztech/06/18/blockbuster.blu.ray.ap/index.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080212045840/http://netflix.mediaroom.com:80/index.php?s=43&item=265 to http://netflix.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=265

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 14:48, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 7 external links on High-definition optical disc format war. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071106015439/http://www.pcworld.com/article/id%2C103862-page%2C1/article.html to http://www.pcworld.com/article/id%2C103862-page%2C1/article.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20020701075041/http://www.planetanalog.com/features/OEG20010615S0046 to http://www.planetanalog.com/features/OEG20010615S0046
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071106000320/http://www.pcworld.com/article/id%2C104570-page%2C1/article.html to http://www.pcworld.com/article/id%2C104570-page%2C1/article.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071126014442/http://www.eetasia.com/ART_8800364355_499495_f3313299.HTM to http://www.eetasia.com/ART_8800364355_499495_f3313299.HTM
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071106054349/http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_42/b3955113.htm to http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_42/b3955113.htm
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.viacom.com/NEWS/NewsText.aspx?RID=1042073
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://netflix.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=265

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 03:17, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on High-definition optical disc format war. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070629105807/http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38952 to http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38952
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080120125248/http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35662/98/ to http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35662/98/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080201062654/http://www.woolworthsmediacentre.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=33 to http://www.woolworthsmediacentre.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=33

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 13:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC)