Talk:History of Filipino Americans

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Dubious-looking assertions re the Philippine Organic Act
From the Timeline section of the article:
 * 1902, Philippine Bill of 1902 passed by the U.S. Congress; makes it illegal for Filipinos to own property, vote, operate a business, live in an American residential neighborhood, hold public office and become a naturalized American citizen; [...]
 * References

This article is a spinout of the Filipino American article, and the assertions I question were added in this June 2007 edit of that article. That addition was without support. The supporting cite was added in this April 2011 edit of that article.

The supporting source cited there is unavailable to me, but I am unable to verify those assertions in the wikilinked WP article or in the text of the Act itself.

If that cited source does in fact support the article assertions, it appears to me that this article needs some clarication regarding those assertions (perhaps relevant quotes from the cited source) and/or some balancing information citing other sources. (see WP:DUE). Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:19, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Although reading the original text I do not find content that supports the assertion made by the other reliable source, the source states what is in the article

"The Philippine Organic Act declares Filipinos to be American nationals. Congress passes the Cooper Act, making it illegal for Filipinos to own property, vote, operate a business, hold public, or become naturalized American citizens. To counter Japanese workers' growing militancy in the Hawaiian sugar plantations, Horace Allen goes to Korea to recruit plantation workers. Mexican laborers are also being brought in."


 * Seeing as how there is a conflict between the two text(both reliable sources IMHO), I think it would be best to remove the conflicting information, add the other RS and state only the information which both RSs support, that being that the Philippine Organic Act was passed making Filipinos American Nationals. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:10, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I looked back at the article and see that the article prose which, as I read it, cites the page 541 of the source I mentioned above in support of assertions that the Philippine Bill of 1902 made it illegal for Filipinos to
 * own property
 * vote
 * operate a business
 * live in an American residential neighborhood
 * hold public office and become a naturalized American citizen
 * and cites another cited source (Chris Antonette Piedad-Pugay. "The Philippine Bill of 1902: Turning Point in Philippine Legislation" support of assertions that the Bill
 * provided for a Bill of Rights
 * established a bicameral legislature.
 * I don't have access to either source, so I don't know whether or not they actually do support those assertions. I don't find any of the first batch present in the text of the bill itself. I don't find a bill of rights (though section 5 of the Bill does specify some limitations on powers of government). Section 7 of the Bill did provide for vesting of legislative power in a bicameral legislature at some future time, designating the Philippine Commission as the upper house of that legislature.


 * I also don't see that the Bill made American Nationals of Filipinos. Section 4 says in part, "That all inhabitants of the Philippine Islands [who meet specified qualifying restrictions], shall be deemed and held to be citizens of the Philippine Islands and as such entitled to the protection of the United States,".


 * I understand that the text of the Bill itself is a WP:PRIMARY source, and that the two sources cited in the article are WP:SECONDARY sources, but I'm puzzled by not being able to find support for the article assertions said to be supported by those secondary sources in the primary source. I've tagged both cites with Verify source tags. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:15, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Article Review
Hello Authors, Upon reading this article there is an evident over representation of the Filipino immigration pattern and only offers a quick summation of other significant events pertaining to Filipino-Americans. Policies about immigration were clearly explained yet the timeline for other Filipino American milestones simply consisted of one or two sentences summarizing the events. However, the lack of elaboration for these events simply gives more opportunity to provide extra information on the matter. Although I am unable to access some of the resources, those that I can access are from a credible source that significantly offered in-depth information about immigration patterns of Filipino-Americans. --Jpfababaer (talk) 04:29, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Be bold and try modifying the section from a bullet point list of events into prose, as the tag added in September 2009 suggests. Also please see WP:LINKROT & WP:OFFLINE, just because a resource is no longer there online, doesn't mean that it did not exist. Try fixing a link, or finding new reliable sources which verify the content. An additional question to ask is, why before this article was spun out back in 2011, was this section on the main article developed as a bullet point list?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 13:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If we see how this section was prior to my first edit to the parent article, the Timeline section looks very similar.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 13:44, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Who duplicated who
The timeline found here in June 2008, is nearly identical to this website. Who is duplicating who?RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 14:23, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Gasper Molina
I have removed the entry in the timeline about Gasper Molina. While it is a historic individual, the shipwright built the ship in Loredo, not Alta California. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:26, 27 April 2018 (UTC)