Talk:Holiness Baptist Association

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The statement:

John Wesley taught that holiness, or Christian perfection, was a definite and instantaneous second work of grace received by faith, and followed by gradual sanctification.

seems to be somewhat controversial; it certainly surprized me. Such research as I've done suggests Wesley may not have been consistent on this point. I reference the following link:

A Look At Holiness And Perfectionism Theology

Where is the "perfection followed by gradual sanctification" documented in Wesley's writings?


 * I'll have to check my references, but I can tell you that my idea of his teachings comes more from reading about him, than from reading his writings. I have The Journal of John Wesley, but as it is not indexed, I cannot easily check it. I have problems with Adobe & pdf's on my home computer, so I'll check you link at my office tomorrow. Nevertheless, if you feel you can add a more accurate statement on Wesley's teachings on holiness/perfection, I would welcome your making the change. I certainly am no expert on Wesley or Methodism. Also my use of "followed by gradual sanctification" may need explanation, and could probably have been written in a better way. By the statement, I meant to say that Wesley taught an initial experience followed by a lifelong process of being sanctified or made holy. - Rlvaughn 02:27, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. While I admire the man, I am not a student of John Wesley. But if I come up with a better description, I'll make the edit. mjscud 06:37, 2003 Dec 19 (UTC)