Talk:Honda CBX

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved by Yunshui 12:58, 22 April 2013‎ DrKiernan (talk) 18:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Honda CBX1000 → Honda CBX – The subject of the article was never referred to as the CBX1000, only as the CBX. Subsequent Honda models designations have included the prefix "CBX" and a displacement number, but this model did not have a displacement number, just "CBX". All sources in the article refer to the "CBX", not the "CBX1000". The term "CBX1000" is the invention of the editor who moved this article from "Honda CBX" to "Honda CBX1000" relisted Tiggerjay (talk) 07:21, 14 April 2013 (UTC) Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 11:34, 29 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'd like more information regarding this proposal. It seems that other articles have series numbers such as 1100, 2000, etc. after their prefix characters. I cannot find a specific Honda reference to clarify this one way or the other. Is there any reliable sources to support either naming convention? Tiggerjay (talk) 07:21, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Starting with the five sources given for the article itself, we have:
 * Honda Motorcycles by Aaron Frank: Page 172, to which the link directs, uses only the term "Honda CBX" to refer to the bike. However, searching the text for "CBX1000" reveals a sidebar on page 107 that is titled "CBX1000" but whose main text refers to the bike interchangeably as the CBX and the CBX1000.
 * Suzuki GS 1100 vs. Honda CBX: Is There a New Superbike King?". Motorcyclist. March 1980: The term "Honda CBX 1000" is not used; only "Honda CBX".
 * "HONDA CBX Grand Prix Glamour and Touring Chic". Cycle World. July 1981: The term "Honda CBX 1000" is not used; only "Honda CBX".
 * Greg Williams (November/December 2009). "1981 Honda CBX". Motorcycle Classics: The term "Honda CBX 1000" is not used; only "Honda CBX".
 * Ric Anderson (January/February 2006). "Honda CBX: The Power of Six Cylinders". Motorcycle Classics: The term "Honda CBX 1000" is not used in the article; only "Honda CBX". However, there is a link to another article about the same bike that refers to it as a CBX 1000: http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-japanese-motorcycles/honda-cbx-1000.aspx.


 * An online search shows quite a few other books and articles that use the term "CBX 1000" or "CBX1000", but none that I've seen so far date to when the bike was in production. The term may have been put into use to distinguish the original from later bikes that used a "CBX" prefix.


 * I had two Cycle magazines with road tests of CBXs, one of the early twin-shock UJM version and the other of the faired Pro-Link touring version. I remember both of them referring to CBXs.  I might not have either of them now; I lost a lot of my magazines to insects.  I do know that the first time I ever saw the designation "CBX1000" was upon seeing the title of this article.


 * Finally, I have yet to see a photo of a stock bike with a "CBX1000" or "CBX 1000" badge or graphic. The faired '81-'82 bike had a "CBX" graphic on the fairing with a consistent font.  The '78-'80 UJM-style bike made the distiction even clearer; the badge on the side cover under the seat had "CB" in one font, followed by a red "X" in a larger font size with a different font face.


 * Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 20:41, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - thanks for that additional information, I support for the reasons mentioned above, and through additional research as commonname. Tiggerjay (talk) 04:06, 15 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Support. This appears to be the primary topic for Honda CBX, and that's the more common (and official) name for it. "CBX1000" has been used in at least one book published before Wikipedia existed, so it's probably an unofficial alternative name, Peter&#160;James (talk) 12:39, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Support, but possibly with a different name than that proposed. A search of magazines at the time, e.g. American Motorcyclist and Popular Science shows that all refer to it as the Honda CBX. The article should be renamed and all instances of CBX1000 changed to CBX within the article. However, it may be better to consider an alternative but equally correct name, eg. Honda CBX (six-cylinder), or Honda CBX (1978-1982.
 * Comment consensus appears clear, requesting WP:CSD to make room for move. Tiggerjay (talk) 03:58, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Lede content year-date wrong
I have templated the lede as as the source is an unreliable insurance business which editors assume to be accurate and find by keyword searching, instead of finding historic hard-publications from industry-experts. My use of a similar template elsewhere was knee-jerk reverted by an editor also associated with this article, and I am expecting much the same behaviour. This should highlight whether Wikipedia is to continue being dominated by editors abusing WP:VNT. This needs to go to WP:RSN for Carole Nash and the similar unreliable business (reverted elsewhere) Bennetts (or AN/I for the reversions) but I am unable to contribute the time. Continuation will just give more confidence to those removing legitimate templating and who are determined to WP:OWN the articles. The first year should be 1978 - I don't like using Youtube but it is from a highly-reputable source, near the back of the film (18 minutes), relating to travelling marshal Albert Moule. Pinging who introduced the weblink citation. I tried to find unequivocal evidence some years ago but only a pic of Hailwood crossing the line on the 1978 Ducati F1 with a CX500 in background was found (about 60 yards from me, so I knew where the bikes were stationed). I have an historic citation for the use of CX500s which were unsuitable being too slow, topping out at 100mph, less than a 125 racer. The youtube film is also evidence that the Isle of Man TT races had many mass-starts on the Snaefell Mountain Course, which for the uninitiated may be unclearly/ambiguously presented on WP as a time trial. Semi-mass starts were used in the 1950s for the Clubmens' races, flagged-off in groups of four requiring kick-starting.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 19:03, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm looking for a decent reference. I know the CBX bike were used by marshalls as I was there and I saw them! For the time being, this site: https://twitter.com/IOMTMs has a picture of one. Arrivisto (talk) 08:46, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I have now found a 1980 pic of Mike Hailwood on the CB900 Marshal's bike at Fickr. This chap has allowed my to use some of his images a few years ago and is very reliable with his details (c:Category:Images by bebopalieuday) but when I requested to use some more from his early prints (necessitating changing the licence) about 18 months ago the reaction had changed. I therefore haven't requested any since, but I have sent thanks for the SMBH image together with some background info (the pillion was second-choice as the original winner had stomach ulcers and was not confident of the outcome after a lap at race speeds and donated the prize back to MCN). I've no reason to conclude there were any CBXs used in 1980. Carole Nash's disclaimer can be found here. rgds,--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 20:15, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

1980 TT Marshal bike
They used the then-new CB900F - Motorcycle News ran a competition where the winner rode a lap pillion to Mike Hailwood. The winner suffered with abdominal ulcers and, fearing for any adverse reaction to the experience, donated his win back to be re-allocated. MCN carried an action pic with a towel or similar covering the seat, with the winner describing sliding, particularly under braking. The CB900F was released late 1979, and it couldn't have been 1981 as Hailwood died in March, before the June races. Regrettably I sold the 'paper about 10 years ago.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 19:26, 9 August 2018 (UTC)