Talk:Horsebus

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 * consistent markup of this section by P64 2012-02-01

"The first known occurrence of wagonettes is in England, ca. 1843." - reference - I'm not sure this is true - what does it mean - the first use of the term? because horse drawn omnibuses are mentioned before 1843

eg see Wikisource:Omnibuses and cabs: their origin and history (1902) by Henry Charles Moore

Sf5xeplus (talk) 21:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * (quote the first sentence: "Omnibuses, under the name of carrosses a cinq sous, were started in Paris in 1662 .") -P64
 * i know that this is false. becasue there was omnibus routes before 1843 in fact in my local region of north east ohio. the city of Cleveland, Ohio[USA] started omnibus in 1841 . im not saying it was first there may have been even more earlier occurances but i know that 1843 was not the begining my information comes from this source
 * 76.211.5.253 (talk) 20:05, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * in public transportation around Boston, Massachusetts[USA]
 * Cambridge. As commerce greatly expanded with Boston, a stage coach line was established in the 1820s. By the 1830s, hourly omnibuses had replaced the coaches. A stage coach was a large carriage drawn by four horses, while an omnibus was a smaller vehicle drawn by two horses. The Cambridge Railroad was the first official horse car company to begin operating in Massachusetts (1856), and the omnibus lines were soon replaced by horse car routes.
 * South Boston. South Boston was originally part of Dorchester, and was annexed by the City of Boston in 1804. Omnibuses, or small Stage Coaches drawn by two horses, were operated there starting in the 1830s . They can be considered the original "Red Line" [modern subway] as they were later replaced by horse cars [c.1857], electric street cars, and of course the Cambridge-Dorchester subway.

--P64 (talk) 16:47, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * We refer at horsecar to "omnibus routes that first ran on public streets in the 1820s " --P64 (talk) 16:54, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Horsecar
See also the preceding section.

We say at horsecar that omnibus runs on public roads, horsecar runs on rails. --P64 (talk) 16:54, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

vage definitions, wrong history
--Ulamm (talk) 22:03, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * About definitions:
 * The term wagonette describes the position of the seats. And (at least in German definition) wagonettes have springs but no ceilings.
 * The term omnibus (Latin: "for all") describes the use for public transports. And if we look at the age, when omnibus services were established, it implicates a certain level of comfort. Omnibuses were no simple wagons, they had springs. Mostly they had a hardtop and glass windows. Some had deck seats on the ceiling.
 * About chronical aspects:
 * The very first horse-drawn omnibuses ran in Paris since 1662, though only for a few years.
 * Starts of omnibus services in 19th century:
 * 1820 Berlin – Charlottenburg by de:Simon Kremser. The type of vehicle he used, nowadays called Kremser after hin, had springs, a huge number of seats positioned like in a wagonette, and a textile ceiling.
 * 1824 in Manchester by John Greenwood
 * 1826 in Nantes by Étienne Bureau and Stanislas Baudry
 * 1828 in Paris by Stanislas Baudry
 * 1829 in London by George Shillibeer
 * late 1820es in New York (New York Transit Museum: Omnibuses were oversized stagecoaches that ran along a fixed route.

Double-Decker
The early-20th Century photograph from Copenhagen shows a double-decker bus with, however, only a wire lattice guardrail along the top deck. In the UK, it was either discovered or feared that an enterprising voyeur, standing on the ground, adjacent to the bodywork of the vehicle, could peer upwards and, without difficulty, secure an unimpeded view beneath the hem of the dress of any lady who happened to be seated on the upper deck. The crucial phrase is without difficulty, and it will be appreciated that the execution of such a manœuvre will have been easier for some than for others; indeed, its comparative lack of facility might properly assign such concerns to the realm of moral panics. Natheless, it seems to have disturbed the industry (and its customers, or their husbands) sufficiently to warrant the addition of a form of modesty screen to the length of the upper deck guardrail. This addition coincidentally contributed a new area for use as a hoarding. The board was referred to as a rocker; subsequently giving its name to any long narrow oblong or other shape designed for inscriptions of any sort. Hence the crescent-shaped patch of a motorcycle club member's patch or colours. Nuttyskin (talk) 13:55, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

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