Talk:Hot dog/Archive 1

Deutschund in estrus and from the city of Hamburg
Is this data accurate? The Hot Dog is not only "any sausage with a bun" but the sausage itself? I mean in Peru a colloquialism has been born of calling the part after the whole; In the streets many call the kind of meat used for hamburguers to by it's original alternate names but "hamburguer" which makes the traditional "hamburguer" be their version of what "hamburguer" means plus buns... Likewise any sausage can be called a hotdog or, like some do, "jodoc" (with the "j" being pronounced as the h)... But is it accurate that there's a kind of sausage that is a true hot dog? Isn't this just another version of the confusion between the piece and the whole?Herle King 21:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Dachshund, or, as we say in Germany, Dackel, has always been compared to the form of our WURST, which is predominantly served hot and on a "Brötchen" (bun), therefore it is very possible, that the German butcher, Charles Feltman, called his first product, that was eaten at first from German immigrants in New York, "ein heißer Hund" = a hot dog! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.140.97.202 (talk) 23:08, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

Safe to Eat Uncooked Untrue
I was watching a show on Discovery Health Channel where this boy scout ate a uncooked hotdog because he was hungry, and didn't want to wait for it to be cooked. Hours later, he got severe stomach pain and was hanging on for life. He survived. The culprit Listeriosis. Check here: http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/FoodSafety/foodslisterisosis.php Despite common belief, hot dogs are not safe to eat uncooked. You have the same risk of getting sick as eating an uncooked egg. This article misleading says otherwise. (User Hysteria2424) 17:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

---I don't think it is the same thing, hot dogs can vary from producer to producer, while eggs really don't. There are just 'bad hotdogs', I guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.60.50 (talk) 09:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I grew up eating uncooked hotdogs. I certainly ate hundreds between the ages of 5 and 15 as did my brothers and sisters. I know of many other people who habitually consumed uncooked hotdogs. None of us ever got sick or experienced any discomfort. Store bought hotdogs are all precooked and if kept refridgerated are no different then deli meats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.181.190.99 (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Why?
Why is this motherfucking article protected indefinitely? This is BULLSHIT.
 * Last I checked this article hasn't had intercourse with its authors so I can't speak to the question as posed directly. If you are referring to the article Hot dog, it is semiprotected to deal with the large amount of profane vandalism and comments that are added to it. If you register an account, which does not require an email address, name, or any other information, then you may edit the article. You must understand that we need to protect certain articles from needless profanity. Clearly this article attracts people who can't refrain from needless profanity or communicate in a mature manner.—WAvegetarian (talk) 18:13, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

who would want to vandalize an article about hotdogs?
 * Dude, are you from the internet or not? --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (talk) 19:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Indicative of Poor Standard of American Cuisine
Globally American cuisine is,and always has,seen as one of the poorest in the world, with an over reliance on salt and sugar to mask cheap and nastly foodstuffs. The hot dog is seen as being a symbol of this. Should this be mentioned somewhere in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.108.159 (talk) 18:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Possibly, if you can find reliable sources saying that. PubliusFL (talk) 18:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe if your country had the money to buy sugar and salt, you'd be able to eat like Americans too. On a side note, countries tend to flavor their food with whatever is most readily available. Americans have easy access to sugar and salt. You don't go to Jamaica and demand curry on all your food, do you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.28.37.46 (talk) 00:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Is and always has? . . . Cheap and nasty foodstuffs? I'd like to direct your attention to Cajun food... but something a little more fitting for this article Chili, which is often added to hotdogs to make chilidogs. I've only covered two states in the South and you're argument is already in tatters.

Incorrect redirect
Liberty pups redirects to the hot dog article. It should actually redirect to the article on dachshunds. I'm not sure how to correct it. Would someone else be willing to do it? kc12286 (talk) 05:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Taken care of. The only other possibility for redirecting it would be to the hotdog disambiguation page. VMS Mosaic (talk) 18:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Nitrates in Hot Dogs
In the ingredients section it is stated that hot dogs contain nitrates; however, all the hot dogs I have bought contain nitrites as opposed to nitrates. I wonder if this section might contain a typo, as these two anions are easily confused. From my assay of various processed meats I have found nitrates to be very uncommon.

128.61.92.32 (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Worldwide view
There's a mention that the article does not represent a worldwide view. In the US, they've traditionally been called Frankfurters, and hot dog was (is?) considered a slang term. When Armor started advertising hot dogs on television back in the 1960s or 70s, people commented how strange it was that their packages said hot dogs instead of frankfurters, as all other brands called them. I'm not sure how much this has changed, and would have to go to a supermarket to check. But I know that I rarely saw packages called hot dogs in the past.

Some places mentioned in the article do not call them hot dogs. Nathans, which has a hot dog eating contest, actually calls them frankfurters and it's on their sign and logo. Hebrew National calls them frankfurters. I'm not sure how many of the other places do the same thing. If this were a US based page, I'd look into whether "hot dog" has actually surpassed frankfurter as the preferred term. But the top of the page says that the page does not represent a worldwide view, so even that would have to be taken into context.

The Encyclopedia Britannica, under frankfurter, lists alternate names and says "... or (in the United States) hot dog." If it's truly a US only term, then not only is the traditional name more relevant, but it's also questionable whether it makes sense to have an article called hot dog when it's even less relevant internationally. I would have expected the slang term to be redirected to the name that was not considered slang. Hagrinas (talk) 20:27, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

How can we change the name of this article to "frankfurter"? I am in agreement with you on this matter. --MY MOM WONT LET ME EAT AT THE TABLE WITH A SWORD.

as you have already made clear in your own article, frankfurters and hot dogs are not the same thing, hence the American Hot Dog is a different object. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.55.159 (talk) 19:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I remember the name "red hots" being introduced as an alternative (presumably to eliminate the dog as a suspect) some decades ago, unsuccessfully it would appear. WHPratt (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Name change?
I just reverted 152.163.100.130's blanking of the page. But, before he blanked it completely, he redirected it to Frankfurter. Is this a common name for hot dogs outside of the USA? If so, i think that may be a more appropriate name for the article, because as the article states, they are named hot dogs for political reasons. Foobaz &middot; &#10000; 23:12, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * As an Australian, I've always called and heard the particular kind of sausage used in hotdogs called a frankfurts (or franks, with the adjective 'skinless' when they don't have the red skins). 'Hot dog' (or 'dog') refers to a frankfurt in a (long/hotdog) roll. I've never heard them called 'frankfurters', but I've seen it written often enough. If it's not a frankfurt, it's not a hotdog; bratwurst in a roll is just bratwurst, or a normal everyday sausage in a roll is just a sausage in a roll (though usually sausages go in bread, not rolls). I would never've called a hotdog a sandwich, though, like in the intro to the article, but I suspect that's a difference in my definition of sandwich; if you offered me a sausage sandwich I would think you sliced up a piece of sausage and put it between two slices of bread, perhaps with some other condiments. 203.82.183.147 10:11, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I would have said they are clearly different things. A 'frankfurter' is a particular type of sausage, in the UK they are commonly sold in tins and cooked by boiling (however I would be surprised if these were considered authentic in Germany). Meanwhile a 'hot dog' is a dish of a sausage served in a long bun.
 * Sausage-in-a-bun has traditionally been referred to just by the name of the sausage. Obviously, a Hot dog not made with a frankfurter sausage can't be called a frankfurter.

I think it's quite funny actually. Originally, the sausage was all that mattered, then someone came up with a term for "sausage-in-a-bun" and now the actual sausage seems to become secondary. I mean, just read the following comments. A Hot dog can be any kind of preparation of and kind of of sausage with unspecified condiments. 82.135.86.52 17:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The confusion perhaps arises because the frankfurter is the most common sausage used for making hot dogs in many areas (at least in New York, although it is not true where I live where grilled sausage hot dogs are much more common). As such frankfurters are also sometimes refered to as hot dogs even when not served in a bun. Oh, and that suggests the frankfurter disambig page is wrong to point back here. A better guide is to be had at h2g2. -- Solipsist 22:11, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Indeed. In my British experience, hot dogs can be made with just about any kind of sausage.  Sometimes a frankfurter, sometimes a soft sausage a little thicker than (what I know as) a frankfurter (typically labelled as "hot dog sausages"), sometimes a typical grilled/fried/barbecued/whatever sausage. -- Smjg 08:59, 11 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Gimme a break, these are HOT DOGS not frankfurters.  They've been called HOT DOGS for a century or so.   Just as we wouldn't change French Fries to Freedom Fries cause Georgie B says so we also aren't going to change HOT DOGS to some out-of-date hickville term like frankfurters cause some bloke down underwhere says thats what his mommy calls them.   Times change, buddy.   And Australia has a grand total of 20 million people, half of them speaking English as a third language. (comment added by User:155.91.19.73 01:35, 26 Apr 2005  -- Solipsist 09:41, 11 May 2005 (UTC)  )


 * George Bush never said anything about changing the name of french fries. It was just some crazy people who went wild against the French. Also the president's name happens to be George W. Bush not "Georgie B"


 * In New York they are most often called Franks, and that is what they have always been called at the frankfurter meccas of Nathan's and (the long gone) Feltman's as well as at any Kosher deli. Ditto the most popular cart franks by Sabrett's. The better variety of all of the forgoing have natural casings. "Hot dog" in NYC suggests the more bologna-like soft "skinless" sausage popular in a lot of the heartland. New Yorker's may not eat anywhere near the majority of franks/hot dogs in America, but we know our bun stuffings. Put it another way, if you put ketchup (or worse "catsup") on it, it's a hot dog, if you put mustard on it, as nature intended, it's a frank. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 20:48, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

... ... There ıs a book that should be cıted: Title: Origin of the term "hot dog" / Gerald Leonard Cohen, Barry A. Popik, David Shulman. Imprint Rolla, MO : G. Cohen, 2004.
 * Well, I see that Mr. Cohen does write books on word origins, such as "shyster" but I can't find the existence of a "hot dog" book on amazon or bookfinder. Do you have an ISBN? I know there are lots of books on esoterica, but a whole book on the name "hot dog" takes the cake (or the bun). A web page maybe. -- Cecropia 18:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

... ... New York Publıc Lıbrary: http://catnyp.nypl.org/search/aCohen%2C+Gerald+Leonard%2C+1941-/acohen+gerald+leonard+1941-/-2%2C-1%2C0%2CB/frameset&FF=acohen+gerald+leonard+1941-&3%2C%2C5 ... ... UMR News and Research: UMR professor writes book on origin of 'hot ... Dr. Gerald Cohen, a professor of foreign languages at the University of Missouri-Rolla, has just published a 300-page book Origin of the Term 'Hot Dog' ... news.umr.edu/research/2004/527.html - 16k - Önbellek - Benzer sayfalar ... ... Kansas City Star | 04/02/2006 | Frankfurter, she wrote: Hot dog ... Gerald Cohen spent more than one-third of his life doing research on the hot dog and finally published a book on it in 2004. Surprisingly, he doesn’t like ... www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/14218513.htm - 33k - Önbellek - Benzer sayfalar
 * Spent 1/3 of his life researching hot dogs, and publishes a book... Yikes! Anyway, the book doesn't seem to be available yet. -- Cecropia 19:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

... ... It was publıshed ın 2004. It ıs ın the New York Publıc Lıbrary and other lıbrarıes. I have read ıt and ıt ıs a weıner.

Picture with Hotdog
Why is the lead picture a picture of gourmet hot dogs? That seems, I dunno, retarded!

The Picture should show a hotdog with mustard as it is much more common and putting ketchup on hotdogs is a rare oddity.

Not rare at all here in NY State--Saxophobia 02:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm from the Eastern US and I can assure you that around here ketchup / catsup is by no means a rare condiment on a hot dog. JohnCub 22:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

What is a Polish dog?
 * A kielbasa. - knoodelhed 10:17, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * I do not think it is the same as a "hotdog" though is it? I do not think hot dog is good to use synonomously with the word sausage.

I've never heard a hot dog referred to as a "tube steak"
 * Me either, but a Google search shows it used this way, so i think it's legit. Foobaz &middot; &#10000;  23:26, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Haha, Ive only ever heard of a penis being refered to as "tube steak"!--71.97.138.104 (talk) 20:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

tube steak has been around for many years -- but it's used facetiously.... Hayford Peirce 16:58, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I remember reading an article on "hashhouse slang"; basically, the argot of the old-fashioned formica-and-vinyl-booth diner; apparently it is the origin of such terms as "hold" for "omit" (as in "hold the onions"), "BLT" for bacon-lettuce-tomato sandwich, etc. Their term for beans and wieners was "tube steak and repeaters." --SigPig 05:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Good, it's about time there was a decent picture of a hot dog here.... Hayford Peirce 19:54, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

A Sandwich?
Is a hot dog really considered a sandwich? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inthepostscript (talk • contribs) 18:54, 23 May 2007

No a hot dog is absolutely not a sandwich. A hot dog sandwich would be a hot dog between two pieces of bread. This should be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.181.126 (talk • contribs) 12:22, 10 June 2007


 * This is a dialect issue - this article is written in American. Americans use the word "sandwich" to refer to anything placed between pieces of bread of any shape including rolls and buns; whereas English speakers restrict their use of the word to flat slices of bread.
 * What's more, I wouldn't consider the sausage itself to be a hot-dog. For me the term hot dog refers to the sausage-bun ensemble. The sausage by itself is either a frankfurt(er) or a saveloy. Perhaps we need to add a section on usage. Nick 19:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, we don't refer to everything with two slices of bread as a "sandwich". Sandwich is a very uncommon term for non-flat bread food items where I live. In fact, the only time I've heard someone use it to refer to something without the normal sliced bread type sandwich or subway sandwich is to specify that a value meal (such as at McDonald's or Burger King) is not wanted. Even that type of usage is fairly rare despite the flatness of burger breads. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (talk) 19:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Top Dog EL inclusion
It doesn't say anywhere in the article that hot dogs are ever made with anything but the usual hot dog sausage, which is why I included a link to Top Dog's website. For those who are unfamiliar with Top Dog, it's a SF Bay Area chain of several restaurants (not sure of the exact number) that sells hot dogs with other sausages. It is not an online vendor, and its mail order business is almost completely unused. Bulk orders are sometimes placed at the restaurants themselves. If it's felt that such a link is only marginally related to the topic, that's quite a valid complaint, as the sole purpose of the link is to offer evidence of hot dogs made with other sausages. It is most certainly not valid to say that adding such a link is "commercial" or is a link to an "online vendor", because it is not possible to order any sausages or buns from their website. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (talk) 19:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I won't revert again because I don't want to edit war. But I thought the link was inappropriate because the site does not provide much informative content about the subject of the article, it primarily advertises the restaurants and their products.  So it feels like an advertising link to me.  It's certainly not apparent from the site alone that the "mail order" link, which is one of the primary sections of the site, is "almost completely unused."  I apologize for being unclear when I used the word "online" in describing them as an "online direct vendor."  My point is not that they sell products via an online shopping cart, but that they sell products directly to consumers, and their web site exists to promote that business.  That seems to me to be a relevant distinction from the link to the National Hot Dog & Sausage Council, which does not sell products directly.  The link to Top Dog would be the only external link in the article promoting a business that would actually like to sell directly to consumers.  We don't even have an external link directly to Nathan's, which is a far more notable chain.  I'm afraid this would invite a flood of new ELs to hot dog and sausage vendors. PubliusFL (talk) 23:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If you were to revert one more time, I wouldn't revert again after that, because I, too, do not wish to edit war...at least not past the 3RR. As for more famous hot dog vendors not having links, I'm sure there are links in the Wikipedia article for those vendors. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (talk) 00:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I certainly didn't mean to imply that you actually were edit warring, and I'm sorry if I appeared to be saying that you were doing anything improper. That's not what I meant. :) Anyways, the more famous hot dog vendors probably do have links to their web pages from the articles about them, but that's standard for articles about companies.  Linking to commercial web sites from articles about generic products is different.  It's reasonable to assume that someone reading Nathan's Famous is looking for information about that company, so providing a link to the company's site from that article doesn't have the effect of promoting the company to people not already looking for it.  But it's not as reasonable to assume that someone reading Hot dog is specifically looking for information about a particular company that sells hot dogs.  It's like the difference between putting a link to Microsoft's home page in Microsoft versus in Computer software.  The first is uncontroversial, the second probably would be very controversial.  In short, it's the difference between point #1 in WP:ELYES and point #14 in WP:ELNO. PubliusFL (talk) 16:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

minor corrections
1. "bacteria" is plural, make it "a bacterium", or "a bacterial species" 2. Sausages do not contain nitrate, even if added. It is converted to nitrite, which in turn reacts with heme in myoglobin to form nitrosohemochrome. Residual nitrite is on the order of 50 ppm or less. Some reaction products - nitrosamines - have been linked to cancer if fed at high doses. Free nitrite has been found to cause vasodilation - and lower blood pressure. Gigemag76 (talk) 15:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Known as a "Michigan" in Upstate NY
Having lived in Upstate NY for a good amount, id like to know where exactly this is? This honestly made me laugh. Ive been all over the state numerous times and this is THE first time ive ever heard this. I think a citation is needed for this because its absolutely absurd. A "Michigan" Upstate? A What?! Its a damn hot dog here. (rolls eyes) Spooky873 (talk) 00:56, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Pregnant women
I think there might be a typing error. In on of the first paragraphs it states "Pregnant women should eat hot dogs". I think it should be "Pregnant women should NOT eat hot dogs". Ziggynz (talk) 07:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Brent


 * I was going to comment, but I think I'll just continue laughing. (Error fixed.) Piano non troppo (talk) 08:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Wait, now it says pregnant women should not eat heated hot dogs? But heating kills the bacteria, right? -- 67.98.206.2 (talk) 16:57, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * As of 2004, mechanically separated meat is not longer used in the making of hotdogs (It may not have been clear that this was an unsigned comment by 216.246.228.103.)


 * Do you have a source for that claim? Algebraist 17:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Since "hot dog" is not a legally protected term, the article should go for a source that makes any statement about the amount of mechanically separated meat. I'm not incredibly keen on the use of the term mechanically separated meat. Notice that the article has a request for additional citations. Piano non troppo (talk) 19:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Regional Variations
After we get some more entries in this section, I was thinking about spinning it off into its own article. does that sound cool to everyone? Youngamerican 19:34, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I added something about White Hots and Red Hots. Here in Upstate New York, we have two types of hot dogs. Whenever I travel, people have no idea what I mean, but if you have ever had a white hot, then you would know it is a different type of hot dog and not a sausage. They can also be called Pork (White) or Texas (Red) Hots. Many restraunts around here offer both types. - martianpenguin

Why does Youngamerican keep deleting my information about Hoffman franks in Upstate NY? Information about the most popular brands in NYC and Zweigles in Rochester gets to stay, but what's considered the best brand in Central NY can't be identified because of "Wikipedia policies"? That is highly inconsistent. You are correct. My apologies.
 * When did I do that? I have never deleted anything on Central NY. Check the edit history more carefully. Some of the regions I put up were deleted, too, and I re-added those.  Feel free to put upstate new york or anywhere else you want. Youngamerican 19:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I checked the edit history, and I think you are mixing me up with jtmichcock. he is the person that used the term "wikipedia policies" Youngamerican 19:33, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

After some edits, I'm researching how dogs are eaten in various parts of the American South. I've been trying to get this as specific as possible and thank everyone for their contributions. Youngamerican 12:45, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I have reverted my previous edit of the Germanic countries paragraph (originally written by me to describe the Danish hot dog, but coopted first to cover the entirety of Europe, and then next to cover the Germanic countries). I was corrected by a native Dane, and therefore I reverted the text back to the Germanic countries, and inserted a separate paragraph specific to Denmark. Accoding to Danish standards, what is described in the Germanic paragraph is not at all a "hot dog", but a "sausage". A hot dog, after Danish standards, must be eaten on the bun, and is really a "sandwich type" (although there is a "hot dog sausage" too, but which when eaten held in the fingers is called a "red sausage"). Other sausages (such as a knækker) served on a bun would also be called a knækker hot dog because it is served hot dog-style. If what is described in the German paragraph is indeed a generic sausage and not a "hot dog", then perhaps we should question it's appropriateness here in this article. Sfdan 17:35, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Red dogs? as a Maine version? I am a Mainer, on the coast, and I have never heard that term.--Dumarest 21:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

After some more research, it appears to me that JTMitchcock continuously deleted my comments last year because of ignorance and arrogance. He somehow believes that it's not NPOV to mention that Hofmann's brand is considered by many to be the best in Central New York. If he would only do some research (Google the brand), he would be disabused of this notion. While some people around these parts may disagree that it's the best, even they will admit that most others do think so. It is famous around these parts, the preferred brand of almost every street vendor and Heids (who lost a lot of business when they switched to another brand for a few years), whether JTMitchcock likes to think so or not. Newspaper articles he can easily find online if he only cared to look would confirm that. Not only inside CNY, but people in other regions routinely mention Hofmann's in online forums dedicated to hot dogs. But Mitchcock is too busy already knowing everything about all hot dogs around the world. --24.92.241.215 20:53, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Is the "Dodger Dog" truly "world famous"? This doesn't seem NPOV. I know I've never heard of it, nor has anyone I know. 24.92.241.215 23:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's pretty famous. I've heard of it and I'm not even close to Los Angeles.  In the regional variations section, the NPOV rule tends to get stretched a bit since it's the one area you can talk about "your" hot dog.  Jtmichcock 01:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

cancer
Are not hot dogs rumored to cause cancer? This article seems overly positive, I kind of thought it would talk about the criticism hot dogs receive today.

wikipedia doesn't write based on rumours, I think. find a good source and you can add it! 67.173.253.91 (talk) 18:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Is there anything that isn't rumored to cause cancer these days? Cosmic Latte (talk) 02:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Recipie removed
Argue if you choose. Wikipedia isn't a place for general lists of information. I may be misinformed, so tell me if so. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 04:14, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, it has long been established that recipes go in [Wikisource]. -- Solipsist 05:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Kosher hot dogs
I changed the wording mentioned kosher hot dogs, which had several misconceptions. First, most consumers seeking kosher food in the U.S. and apparently other nations as well are no longer Jewish, no less observant Jews. Among other consumers who knowingly purchase Kosher foods are vegetarians (because of Pareve), Seventh-Day Adventists, some Muslims when they can't obtain what they want in Halal (dietary law is similar though not identical), and many consumers who perceive Kosher foods as being safer or of higher quality. BTW, an observant Jew almost certainly wouldn't buy a kosher hot dog at a sports stadium for lack of confidence in how it was prepared and handled. In fact, I have a Muslim friend in Brooklyn who won't eat at a Kosher restaurant until he's seen who certified the Kosher cert. No joke. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 20:40, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

I think also the part about sheep intestine as used for hot dogs not being Kosher is more a part of the factories prepering this not having a Kosher certificat, because sheep intestine in itself is perfectly Kosher if the rules have been observed. So natural-casing hot dogs can be Kosher if all the rules are observed.

I'd like to remind or possibbly enlighten people that Kosher laws don't apply just for the origin of the meat (i.e pork being non Kosher etc), but also the condition of the animal before dying, the way it was slaughtered and the blood drained from the body and whether or not all the other tools being used to prepare and cook the meat have been Kosher certified (i.e you mustn't have slaughtered a pig with the knife prior to it, or at least thoroughly cleaned it beforehand- and yes, there are yet more laws on how to clean the knife). So that's the real reason why so-called Kosher hot dogs in, say, stadiums, are still suspect at being non Kosher.


 * There's actually no law against using the same knife on a pig, and no, this wouldn't require more than the usual cleaning afterwards. But it would be very odd to do so.  A chalef (kosher slaughtering knife) is an expensive and delicate instrument, and I can't imagine any circumstances in which a slaughterer would allow someone to use it for any purpose other than kosher slaughter.  There would be no real point, and too much risk of damaging it.  But yes, there are laws about preparing the knife and maintaining its edge.  -- Zsero (talk) 15:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

NPOV Definition
I changed the definition at the top so there was some reference to what a hot dog is. It was reverted. My new definition read:

"A hot dog is the reprocessed flesh of dead non-human animals, classified as a type of sausage or, alternatively, a sandwich on a suitably shaped bun with the sausage and condiments on it."

This is a literal description of what a hot dog is. There is nothing "NPOV and redundant" about it. If someone disagrees, please make your comment here. Otherwise I am reverting back to my change.
 * Above was by User:Cogent 15:09, 6 Jun 2005


 * "Flesh" and "dead" have negative connotations. "Meat" would suffice, but "sausage" already means all of that.  "Non-human animals" is redundant, and is also implied by "meat" or "sausage".  If someone really doesn't know what a sausage is, they can click the "sausage" link.  If you want to expose the hidden truth that meat is made out of dead animals, I think the Meat page would be a more appropriate place to do it.DenisMoskowitz 15:38, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)

Human are animals so, despite agreeing with the rest Ido have to say that it is not "redundant"71.237.226.28 00:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)anonymous

"Dead" is redundant; if it's been processed, it's dead. intooblv 03:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

if it is only "implied" by "meat" or "sausage" than it obviously is not redundant

Other names for hot dogs
regarding Hot dogs are also called dachshunds... Is this correct? I've heard Dachshunds called hot dogs but not the other way around. JohnCub 23:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Doubtful. If you see dubious unsourced material like this creeping in, please be bold and remove it.  (jarbarf) 23:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Typically I am bold but with hot dogs, I know there are a million ways to eat and probably that many names for them. I'm not an expert on them, just an interested eating party.  :)  JohnCub 00:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Dachshund, or, as we say in Germany, Dackel, has always been compared to our WURST, which is predominantly served hot and on a "Brötchen" (bun), therefore it is very possible, that the German butcher, Charles Feltman, called his first product, that was eaten at first from German immigrants in New York, "ein heißer Hund" = a hot dog! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.140.97.202 (talk) 23:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC).


 * Dachshund (pronounced "Daxhund") is also a valid word, if less common, in Germany. A Dachs is a badger in German. TinyMark 12:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Michigan
I added a piece on the michigan hot dog and I also wrote an article on the Michigan.


 * Not to doubt your hard work, but I've lived in Quebec (and a rather Francophone part of the province) for ten years and it's always been "un chili dog." Nobody but NOBODY calls them 'chiens chaud', in case somebody is wondering. MattShepherd 20:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Worldwide view
Whoever slapped that tag on the article has a point. Sausages are a very Old World food, and sausages and bread have been eaten together for a long time (though there must be limits—weisswurst mit brezen belongs in weisswurst, not hot dog).

There are a couple of places we could start.

The most obvious is the the Frankfurt v. Vienna v. Coburg issue.

Also, the Danish hot dog is popular in enough places around that world that it probably deserves a mention here instead of just in hot dog variations.JFD 13:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Since the hot dog is a USA institution, the "Globalize/USA" tag makes no sense and I have removed it. There are mentions of similar sausages in the text from other countries, which seems enough. The similar sausages in other countries have different names and perhaps should be moved to the general sausages article as they are not identical to hot dogs.--Zeamays 17:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

AzaToth has slapped on a ( tag, with no justification or specifics of what he wants. This page has plenty of references to non-USA dogs. I am deleting the tag. If he wants to replace it, he should say why. --Zeamays 14:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I added it because of the section "Availability in the USA", that I think should either be removed, or changed into something more generic. → Aza Toth 14:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

other meanings
added a culture reference to "chili dog" that i have heard from numerous sources. it was removed as "vandalism" but i'm adding it back in

Try listing it under "chili dog (sex act)." It does not belong in the hotdog article, however. Youngamerican 14:17, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Type "chili dog" in the search box. you come to this page. if wikipedia puts people here for chili dog, this is where it should be.


 * If anything, make a disambiguation link at the top of this page. DenisMoskowitz 19:58, 2005 August 12 (UTC)

Kosher hotdogs may not have a natural casing?
This is patently untrue. The Kosher hotdogs of my youth certainly had natural, most likely lamb, casings.
 * Kosher natural casings exist, there's no law against them, but they're hard to find. Consumers have come to accept plastic, so there's not enough demand to justify steady production of natural ones.  -- Zsero (talk) 15:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Meat type
Hot dogs are usually made of beef or a mixture of beef and pork And what kind of beef or pork? Shoulder? Sirloin? Liver? Offal? This article needs more information about the composition of the hot dog. -Timvasquez 00:32, 5 September 2005 (UTC) I've changed the terribly vague "vegetarian ingredients" to "meat analogue," which is a valid and useful Wikipedia article. Somebody has reverted this before, and I honestly don't understand why they're so squeamish about the term. It's precise and the article has useful information, unlike the previously linked vegetarianism article which tells all about the reasons for the practice but not what might be in the hot dogs. -- 24.92.241.215 09:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * USDA rules are pretty strict in one respect -- if you use offal you have to indicate it on the label. It isn't usually done because of the labeling requirements. Now the issue of fat content is a little different -- I've heard some shady stuff goes on there regarding meat/fat ratios, but unfortunately that isn't a labeling issue according to the rules. As far as the actual cuts of meat used, probably a lot of scraps and cutter/canner grade stuff, nothing specific -- you don't really need high-quality meat to make a decent hot dog. Or a hamburger for that matter. Haikupoet 04:10, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Here's another point I'd like to throw out, and something that my family has obsessed over for almost a decade. Don't most standard skinless hot dogs contain pork, beef, and chicken (and/or turkey in some cases)? In my area there only a few brands here and there at the supermarket that don't put poultry in their hot dogs.--SHFan06 22:50, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Anyone else think this bit in condiments should be dropped?
'' 'Some Americans believe that a properly made hot dog should never be topped with ketchup.[citation needed] Often these people believe the flavor of ketchup overpowers and destroys the taste of the hot dog instead of complementing it.[12] In Chicago, some restaurants and hot dog stands that consider themselves to be "true" Chicago hot dog grills do not, as a rule, carry ketchup in stock, even if they serve other food items that use this condiment, such as French fries. The National Hot Dog & Sausage Council, in its tongue-in-cheek recommendations for proper Hot Dog Etiquette capitulate only slightly to the public's general regard for ketchup, saying, "Don't use ketchup on your hot dog after the age of 18." (This alludes to the fact that many children like ketchup on their hot dogs due to the sweet taste, but adults are expected to have a more sophisticated palate and is a way of discrediting the use of ketchup through the use of an ageist remark).' ''

It's not very well written, uses weasel words, and doesn't seem to be describing a significant opinion or trend, and is also more describing a regional thing than something about hotdog condiments in general. Also the last part added about ageism is more than a bit irrelevant.Number36 04:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I was just watching a news show where they were discussing hot dogs in the Midwest, and they were joking about the hot dogs should only have mustard on it, and you shouldn't have ketchup and mustard on your hot dog after 18. I don't see anyone actually going to great lengths to harass people who perfer ketchup and mustard on their hot dogs. There might be some hot dog stands that think they're better for not allowing people to have ketchup on a hot dog, but in the end they're also loosing a great deal of customers I would imagine.

I think it's worth noting as a cultural noting, however unless people start throwing things at me for having ketchup and mustard with my hot dog, ketchup and mustard I will have! :P Violet yoshi (talk) 16:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)