Talk:Hot rod

Pro Touring
I have searched Wiki for pro touring and have found nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.184.211.68 (talk) 15:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Street Rod
As I recall, street rod had nothing to do with whether or not hot rodding may have been used derogatorily. The only times I remember the term used derogatorily was to describe people who drove recklessly, not to the automobile. In any case, street rod was used to describe hot rods that were driven on the street as opposed to hot rods that were trailered to drag races or custom car shows. -12.74.168.201 17:50, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * That certainly sounds like the current use of the term "street rod" to me. It is a hot rod that is still street legal.  I suppose some trailer queens could still be street rods though.  They can be driven on the street, but just aren't.

it can also be driven on montains. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.142.23 (talk) 10:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Origin of hot rods
In the Swedish Wikipedia it says the hot rod idea started in USA due to homecoming soldiers stationed in the UK where they had seen small, british sports cars like MG and Morgan and used that as an inspiration. // Liftarn — Preceding undated comment added 11:37, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The origins of the term "hot rod" extend to before the 1930s. My grandfather showed me a picture of his "hot rod" from 1926, a term he and his friends used in northern Illinois even back then.174.125.63.154 (talk) 11:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you got any car club materials from the period? Old magazines? Anything to source that? Unfortunately, his claims aren't good enough alone.  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  20:06, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Victor Edlebrock raced his 1932 Ford Roadster on the dry lakes in California befor the WW2 at that time he referred to it as his Hot Roadster. 2001:569:52CF:5300:5D48:627:AC32:3314 (talk) 22:42, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Check out old movies from the 1930's and earlier ( especially early talkies ), where hot rodded cars sometimes turn up being driven by a young man etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.174.252 (talk) 13:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I found https://archive.org/details/27EG-28-EG-58_HOTRODS where you can se some post WW2 hot rods. // Liftarn (talk)

3D pictures
Good god! Can we stop submitting these awful cereal-box-3d images? Not is it incredibly unlikely that anybody has red/cyan glasses hanging around and discounting the fact that they offer very little in the way of 3d simulation, they're awful for those of us not blessed with red/blue vision. --^pirate 15:24, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Today's Hot Rod builders
Since someone is deleting Hot Rod builders and leaving Jesse James in as a Hot Rod builder I would like to see who is progressing the Hot Rod scene today. I know of only a few true shops that build hot rods.

Hot Rod Surf, Boyd Cuttingham, So-cal Speed Shop and Tiny's Chop shop

Each of these shop have a completly different style of hot rods. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.105.117.198 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Real Hot Rods
What happened to the addition of hot rod surf? it was up yesterday and now gone? Real hot rods are all steel, loud, fast, and actually driving around town like all the rods from hot rod surf here in san diego! Stuffy people have always been scared of real hot rods! (Jmcrownpoint 19:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hot Rod Surf may be an excellent hot rod custom shop, but the paragraph was little more than advertising by Hot Rod Surf itself for its product line and services. This is forbidden under wikipedia NPOV policy.  If a section on current shops is included, then a neutral mention of Hot Rod Surf among it's competitors would not be amiss.
 * Actually, significant shops could very well deserve their own articles. coddington for sure, everybody else on an individual basis. Gzuckier 14:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleaned up the section and re-added the link to hotrodsurf under the PT cruser link of external websites. Would be good to see more links and more positive additions.

Are you kidding?
This is the most lame definition of hot rods I have ever seen. I agree with the guy above. If you guys want to add info to a real site go to Automowiki.com. It won't tell you what a hot rod is, it will show you how to build one yourself. Dont camp out on pages, it makes people not want to add stuff to the articles.

Today
I propose to delete from the description of Boyd Coddington the sentence "One of his cars appeared in the music video of Gimme All Your Lovin’ by the rock band ZZ Top." The car which appeared in the video in question was a 1933 Ford Coupe, which was built by Don Thelan, rather than Boyd Coddington. The references below refer to this fact, and identify the location of Don Thelan's enterprise as Buffalo Motor Cars of Paramount, California, USA.

http://www.topgear.com/content/features/stories/2005/12/stories/10/1.html (Article in UK auto magazine Top Gear); http://auto.howstuffworks.com/zz-top-eliminator-hot-rod.htm (Entry on Howstuffworks website). --DReddington (talk) 23:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Not having seen the vid, is it the same '33 in "Eliminator"? 'cause this and this both say that was by Pete & Jake, tho I've seen it credited to Boyd, too.  TREKphiler   hit me ♠  21:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Restructured
I haven't made a start on the content, but it's all a bit woolly with a few repetitions and contradictions, the first of which I have weeded out. Keep the good stuff coming, let's get some more pictures up and see if we can make this page come a bit more aliveGraumicchie (talk) 19:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Linear speed?
We use the term "linear speed" in the very first sentence without describing what it means anywhere in the article. Does anyone know? If not, we should remove it. --Doradus (talk) 13:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Go right ahead, bro. Kortoso (talk) 01:51, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Ignorant re-edits by non hot-rodders
Dear Wikipedia. O.K., I'm done. At first I thought it would be charitable to include some contribution to this Wikipedia article on hot rods. Like many of you I've owned, raced, busted my knuckles on, and loved hot rods for decades. So I thought "Gee, I should pass some of this stuff on before I die". A good start seemed to be for me to clarify some of the slang terms floating around this post. Absent deeper understanding, these terms seemed in danger of becoming mere expressions of ignorance in the mouths of the uniformed. I even managed a chuckle when I saw a bit of that ignorance already present in some small areas of the article, especially about historic origins of some of the most common slang racing terms. (Don't get me wrong - there are some accurate goodies in here too) Anyway, I've grown up with this hobby. Hell, I've even owned and built things like "strokers", "nailheads" "blown coupes", and "rat rods" over the past 35 years. So, in honest effort, I tried to contribute a little actual engineering expertise about the origins of s few performance terms that I hear the younger crowd throw around with a careless innocence which belies their lack of understanding. Mind you, the things I attempted to clarify were not just my opinions, they were what used to be called "common knowledge" amongst an earlier generation of hot rodders. Nevertheless, I cited them with appropriate sources for those who might wish to be further informed. I was operating on the principle that citations require a certain mental acumen, and that editors possess such acumen. The response? Some person who appears to have no hands-on experience in the art of high performance machinery kept removing my modestly detailed and properly cited descriptions explaining why things are called what they are called. This happened three times - over the same content changes! One modest example of this editorial idiocy before I close. Real hot rodders everywhere... ask yourself - do you know how a Muncie M-22 four speed acquired the nickname Rock crusher? Sure you do...because we've owned and built them, and because you've lived in the racing culture. Back in those more innocent days, we rodders who knew by experience that they were stronger (just like the Chevrolet manual claimed) but noisier. That led us to quip that "my M-22 sounds like its full of rocks!" Hence the term "Rock crusher". For me, I know the mechanical whys of this most especially because I understand esoteric design details like the engineering mechanics and metallurgy of helical gear design. Simply put, an M-22 is more noisy because of the gear design, period. Anyway, Mr. Trekkie editor dude removed a concise, cited explanation of this and other subtle but vital details associated with hot rodding slang. O.K.fine...I get your message, and you win! You want stupid shallow drivel. I surrender to you, a person who, to be frank, seems more concerned with b.s. tweaks of Wikipedia as an exercise in control, rather than Wikipedia as an exercise in the transference of knowledge to a new generation. So, yes...Trekkie dude, you win! I'll take my knowledge somewhere else. You may now wallow in your ignorance, free of any interference from someone who has been there.

p.s. One final note - Some responsible editor might want to fix the idiotic claim that hot rodding developed AFTER WWII when American servicemen returned from the war, supposedly longing for the MG coupes they'd first experienced in England. That's what this article currently states - in blatant disregard for a huge body of contrary evidence that hot rodding was already well developed in SoCal prior to the WWII. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.66.67.161 (talk) 22:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Since I removed much of this "improvement", let me explain. First, it was a glossary, not an article about building, so it was inapt where it was. If our angry friend had wished to include the information in the article, with cites, I'd have no problem with it. Second, it was, in the main, uncited, including the sound of a Rockcrusher, & "I've heard it" is just not on as an answer here. I wish it was. Calling it "common knowledge" barely passed for the list of terms. If our friend is upset, I direct him here. You think I was a rube? You have no idea.  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  02:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Try not to take it personally, but Wikipedia should be encyclopedic. This includes citing references as well as refraining from anecdotal information. Grammardoc890 (talk) 00:56, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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Lifestyle and glossary
Hello Trekphiler. Here is an explanation for the changes I made: Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 04:30, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The lifestyle aspect is covered by the Kustom Kulture article, so to avoid content forks I think it is best to simply link to that article.
 * Language section: according to the principle of WP:NOTHOWTO, a section about "how to speak like a hot rodder" is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Any section for terminology/glossary/etc should be to help the reader understand the topic, and Wikipedia is not about providing a comprehensive definition for all terms relating to a subject. Also, I note that several terms relate to drag racing or specific cars rather than hot rods in general, which is the purpose of the purpose of this article.
 * ♠I appreciate "not a how to", but explaining usage, explaining the "culture", is what WP is about (isn't it?); it's not just about isolated words in a glossary. And Kustom Kulture is assuredly not hot rodding, or it wouldn't be called "Kustom". There is some inevitable overlap, & drawing a "bright line" isn't possible (or practical); I see no reason to merge for the sake of merging.
 * ♠References to drag racing broadly, or specific cars, are a part of hot rodding: there's no small amount of crossover to drag racing, & any cars named are (how do I put it?) "coin of the realm". No term in the glossary is there for its own sake (as far as I've seen); they're all common enough among rodders to have earned a place, & deserve one. If you've got specific mentions you object to?
 * ♠BTW, have a look at the glossary here, & you'll see what I mean. Those are also selected for common usage.  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura  06:25 & 06:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Bad rep of Swedish hot rod culture
Hello fellow editors, I came across the In modern culture section and In Sweden and Finland while coming from the Swedish page for hot rods. What made me stop and question this section is the link to Main article as "raggare" (swedish word), as well as a picture that is not representative for Swedish hot rod culture. "Raggare" is not part of the hot rod society in Sweden, but is one of their own. The picture is showcasing a 60s car, and while being American it is not a hot rod and the people sitting on it are not hot rodders but "raggare".

I suggest changes to be made to this section:
 * Delete the picture in the subsection In Sweden and Finland.
 * Delete link to Main article being "Raggare".

Ideally, there could be a better depiction of Swedish and Finnish hot rod culture, if such a picture can be found.

Thank you, and please reply with thoughts, as I would like some input on this before editing. Sithlordjosef (talk) 20:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

This page is embarrassing.
Who's idea was it to make the whole page a silly list of what someone thinks hot-rodders say? Calling a car from 2005 an 05 is what hot-rodders say? That's what everyone says. They call the 5.0 a "five point oh"? Yeah, I think that was Vanilla Ice, but thanks for trying. Bondo is a hot rod term? Seriously? "

I'm going to delete that whole section. 67.60.231.114 (talk) 09:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That astonishingly long section was almost entirely unsourced. Looks like it became an opportunity for fancruft. Good call on deleting it. Schazjmd   (talk)  14:05, 16 August 2023 (UTC)