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Evidence for Human Sacrifice (Celts)
A small sampling of RELIABLE sources that discuss the archaeological evidence for human sacrifice among the ancient Celts: Please consult these before undoing my edit to remove nonsense that there is no archaeological evidence for Celtic human sacrifice! Cagwinn (talk) 00:20, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Miranda Jane Green, Dying for the Gods: Human Sacrifice in Iron Age & Roman Europe, Tempus, 2002.
 * Barry W. Cunliffe, The Ancient Celts, Oxford University Press, 1997.
 * Jean-Louis Brunaux, The Celtic Gauls: Gods, Rites and Sanctuaries. Translated by Daphne Nash, Seaby, 1988.
 * Jean-Louis Brunaux, Gallic Blood Rites, Archaeology 54(2), 2001; pp. 54-57.
 * Jeremiah R. Dandoy, Page Selinsky, and Mary M. Voigt, "Celtic Sacrifice"; Archaeology,Volume 55 Number 1, January/February 2002. https://archive.archaeology.org/0201/etc/celtic.html
 * Page Selinsky, "A Preliminary Report on the Human Skeletal Material from Gordion's Lower Town Area", in: Lisa Kealhofer (ed.), The Archaeology of Midas and the Phrygians: Recent Work at Gordion, UPenn Museum of Archaeology, 2005, pp. 117-136.
 * Ian Armit, Headhunting and the Body in Iron Age Europe, Cambridge University Press, Mar 19, 2012
 * John Koch, Celtic Culture: a historical encyclopedia, ABC-CLIO, 2006, pp. 856, 1070, 1073, 1510, 1541, 1549-1552, 1751-1752,
 * Philip Freeman, St. Patrick of Ireland: A Biography, Simon and Schuster, 2005, pp. 100-101.

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Poland
On mobile, so url only. Satanist murder of 2 teenagers in Zabrze https://dziennikzachodni.pl/w-rudzie-slaskiej-uwierzyli-w-szatana-i-zabili-czy-morderca-z-rudy-wyjdzie-na-wolnosc/ar/3381603 Zezen (talk) 15:40, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Destablization effect of human sacrifice
https://clas.uconn.edu/2018/03/02/did-human-sacrifice-help-people-form-complex-societies/

"Seshat is a database that covers more than 400 societies that existed across the globe over the last 10,000 years. Seshat’s founders argue that beyond around 100,000 people, human sacrifice becomes a destabilizing force. They say at these thresholds human sacrifice became a parasitic practice—an attempt, often by military heroes who had transformed themselves into “god-kings,” to seize and maintain power, to the detriment of social cohesion."

http://seshatdatabank.info/human_sacrifice/

"One theory that the Seshat founders tested was that human sacrifice is a destabilizing factor rather than a form of social control. This destabilizing effect becomes particularly strong when societal size exceeds a million people. "

From these paragraphs, we can deduce that human sacrifice destablizes the society when population grows, should we add the results done by Seshat researchers into the article? --EPN-001GF IZEN བཀྲ་ཤིས་བདེ་ལེགས། 01:50, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Uganda
What about Idi Amin and the history of human sacrifice and cannibalism during his regime?147.0.222.71 (talk) 09:03, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Prohibition in major religions
The last sentence of the last paragraph in the Christianity section referring to burying bodies in the foundations of churches states "However, there is no evidence that such things ever happened in reality and contemporary records closer to the time period have no mention of a practice like this.[117]" but this contradicts what is written in the Wiki page Builder's rites which states "In the 15th century, the wall of Holsworthy church was built over a living human being," (reference Encyclopaedia Britannica) Waynewestmoreland (talk) 01:22, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Ritual murder
Someone wants to turn the redirect in an independent article. I started a discussion on the Talk page there. --Hob Gadling (talk) 17:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Papua New Guinea
Ritual human sacrifice and cannibalism were practiced as late as the 1980's.

Source please. CycoMa (talk) 08:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

untitled
Has it occured to anyone that Christian heresy trials were a vestige of human sacrifice cults in earlier religions? There must be some studies on this. I'll look into it. This page strikes me as having an occidental biased pov. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.110.105 (talk • contribs) 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Probably true Daquestion (talk) 16:45, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

How does moral panic parallel human sacrifice?
This excerpt from the section "Evolution and context" is bewildering: The bursts of society-sanctioned killings during European witch-hunts, or during the French Revolutionary Reign of Terror, may show similar sociological patterns (see also Moral panic).

How is a moral panic remotely analogous to human sacrifice? Known practices of human sacrifice have often been institutional and routine, and typically prophylactic as opposed to punitive. And on the other hand, how is human sacrifice analogous to moral panic? Moral panics aren't trying to appease deities or rulers.

Human sacrifice is closely related to animal sacrifice. Typically an innocent individual (human or not) is chosen to carry this burden. Sometimes this is associated with the scapegoat convention but not always. And sometimes human sacrifice overlaps with capital punishment but not always, or primarily. The overall category "human sacrifice" encompasses a lot of behaviors that vary widely but have some things in common: the killing of humans in order to make some kind of exchange or improve a relationship with someone or something.

Moral panics only have a few things in common with only a few obscure forms of human sacrifice. And those things they have in common are purely incidental, not instances of common "sociological patterns," whatever that fuzzy phrase is supposed to mean. To say that these two things share a common origin purely because they both involve people killing other people for theological reasons or in expectation of divine reward is totally absurd.

For one, not all human sacrifice is religious. Even this article includes examples of that. Two, not all moral panics have any expectation of divine reward. Killing someone for allegedly violating religious law is quite distant from killing a (usually innocent) person, often a volunteer or slave, in the hope of some kind of commensurate reward and without any punitive reason.

It also lacks proper citations to the effect of the actual point being made. The only statements cited have nothing to do with the comparison being drawn. If it wasn't a controversial statement then fine, leave it there and request a citation. But this particular statement is bizarre and misleading and will presumably never find a valid citation because it is probably an editor's personal conjecture, not an academic opinion.

Also, ironically both ends of the comparison can be taken to reflect negatively on the other end. Aminomancer (talk) 07:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The moral panic part is that people panic about illusory human sacrifices. The witch hunt is the moral panic, not the thing the witches were accused of. --Hob Gadling (talk) 13:28, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

A couple of Web sources.
In case they might be useful.

https://theconversation.com/why-did-early-human-societies-practice-violent-human-sacrifice-55380

https://www.livescience.com/59514-cultures-that-practiced-human-sacrifice.html

George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 07:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Thuggees
I have removed these two sentences: these sentences affect the continuity of the paragraph. Whether they were Muslims or worshippers Kali is a debate not relevant in that particular paragraph. So I have avoided both claims of origin ChandlerMinh (talk) 05:31, 11 January 2023 (UTC)