Talk:Hurricane Irene

Splitting up
I disagree with how the split was handled earlier, but I think so splitting is needed. In my opinion, the New York section should be split off immediately, since that has the most info. Perhaps New Jersey as well. Any thoughts? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As more information is found, split it up. There were 13 states heavily affected from North Carolina to Maine (the southernmost impacts - fairly limited but some preps - can all be kept together, so 14) plus Bahamas, Canada, Hispaniola, Puerto Rico and the Lesser Antilles, so that is 19 subarticles for regions at ultimate build-out. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:23, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There's plenty of info out there already, so it's not so much the information being found. It's whether anyone feels like doing the work. We should agree on what's highest priority, instead of saying there are 17 more we could do, hah. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:26, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That's true, but it should be done in order from greatest impact to least. Kinda like Isabel (the last important East Coast storm), except we have to cover the Caribbean as well. CrazyC83 (talk) 03:09, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * So what, IYO, should be next? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:12, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Based on order of damage and fatalities, here is my opinion:
 * New York
 * New Jersey
 * Vermont
 * Connecticut
 * North Carolina
 * Virginia
 * Maryland/DC
 * Massachusetts
 * Rhode Island
 * Delaware
 * Pennsylvania
 * New Hampshire
 * Maine
 * South Carolina, Georgia and Florida (might not be warranted, except on preparations, there was no real impact in Georgia and minor - but some - in FL and SC)

For non-US impacts, here is my opinion:

CrazyC83 (talk) 00:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Bahamas
 * Puerto Rico
 * Hispaniola
 * Canada
 * Lesser Antilles
 * I really don't think all of those are needed though. Wouldn't one single sub-article for New England work? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:40, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think only a few more are really warranted...North Carolina, New England and Caribbean. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 03:57, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd argue Vermont deserves it's own article personally and leave the rest of New England in the main article. Mitch32(There is a destiny that makes us... family.) 04:39, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * What would the article title be then? Or would Vermont be a sub-sub-sub-article? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It'd have to be a sub-sub article Effects of Hurricane Irene in Vermont within Effects of Hurricane Irene in New England. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:20, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not what I meant. I mean NH, RI, ME and MA don't get articles at all (or a New England cover) and just stick as a subsection in Irene. Vermont and maybe Connecticut would get their own articles anyway. Mitch32(There is a destiny that makes us... family.) 20:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I like that a lot more. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Effects of Hurricane Irene is a viable article, so I have restored that for the time being. It's an article that goes into detail on the effects of the hurricane, and would allow the Impact section in the main article to be trimmed to a summary. This is in line with WP:Article size and WP:Summary style. This would still allow Effects of Hurricane Irene in New England to be created, with links to that article from a summary in Effects of Hurricane Irene and the reduced but still present sub-section in Hurricane Irene.

Just out of curiosity Hurricanehink, why are the sections called Impact, while the articles are called Effects of? SilkTork  ✔Tea time  13:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree with such a split. To cut down on the size, the easiest way would be cutting down the sections on New Jersey and New York more, since they each have their own dedicated sub-article. Given that the generic "Effects of Hurricane Irene" has effects everywhere, and the main article would still have to cover the effects across Irene's entire path, it wouldn't be that helpful to have. I think your edit should be undone. Another easy way to shorten the article is create Meteorological history of Hurricane Irene, which we have done for several other significant hurricanes. BTW, in the seven years I have been editing Wikipedia, I have never once wondered about "Effects" as the article title versus "Impact" as the section of the article. We started doing that after Katrina, but I don't think much thought was put into it. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:05, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm trimming down New Jersey and New York's sections (still hoping you change your mind about the "Effects of Hurricane Irene"). ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * On the Effects vs. Impact thing, I have never thought about that either. Maybe we should take another round to the project talk page? YE Pacific  Hurricane  14:33, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that's not that vital right now. The bigger thing is deciding what to do about Irene's article, whether we need that Effects of Hurricane Irene or not. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:35, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I also don't think the Impact/Effect difference is one to worry about - I just noticed it and was interested as to why there was different terminology. Sometimes these things just develop without anyone paying attention because there are more important/interesting things to do, then it gets to the point where it becomes accepted practise, and nobody - even if interested - wants to go through making so many changes!
 * I can understand some of your thinking regarding the nature of the Effects of Hurricane Irene article, and you certainty are an expert hurricane article writer so your views carry weight, though there are others who seem to feel it's a viable article. If you continue to feel that it is not a viable article then test out the consensus at Proposed mergers. SilkTork  ✔Tea time  14:52, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned on the Effects of Hurricane Irene talk page, I am opposed to the article being split like that. It should instead be split as CrazyC83 proposed, though give or take a few articles. It is highly redundant to simply copy and paste some impact, as much of it is either in the other sub-articles (such as Effects of Hurricane Irene in New Jersey and Effects of Hurricane Irene in New York) or in the main article. I mean seriously, we don't even have a main Effects article for Hurricane Katrina, which I would prefer to not create one. Bottom line is that it is partly the answer, but is too broad and would be too difficult to improve.--12george1 (talk) 18:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * We do actually, for Katrina, but that storm is different. Irene should be handled like Isabel was. It looks like North Carolina should be next, and perhaps bring back the article for effects in Caribbean. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:20, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea, bring back the Caribbean article. YE Pacific  Hurricane  21:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Earlier this year, I split this article because I was under the impression that was what was being asked for. I knew I was not the perfect "splitter," but someone had to do it. I expected my efforts to be built on in a constructive manner, instead it was called retarded and reverted. I see that it has been resurected and is still proving unpopular. I have no wish to have my name on work that is proving to be so unpopular and a week today, I intend to ask for it to be speedily deleted (Effects of Hurricane Irene that is) and if that is declined, I will make every effort required to have said article deleted. Had I known that the split article was extant then I would have had it deleted earlier. If there is any material in the forked article that ought properly to be in this article then please recover it. After that, I trust that we can be friends and move on. I am sorry I was not able to be of more assistance in this matter. Op47 (talk) 22:49, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Effects of Hurricane Irene is no more. RIP. Op47 (talk) 21:15, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Retired
Announcement here:

Now we can move this to Hurricane Irene. No other names retired this year. CrazyC83 (talk) 15:05, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the head's up. I moved it. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:14, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not even Jose? =) Thegreatdr (talk) 16:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

No Details/ Blank Spaces
Hi everyone,

I was scrolling through this article and I noticed that in the 'Impacts' section, there are multiple sub-headings that do not have any information linked to them. This includes the areas titled 'Southeast' and 'New England'.

Thanks, --Chrisa24 (talk) 07:15, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Current title
I don't know why "(2011)" was removed other than one source per summary edit: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2012/20120413_irene.html. Also, the RM in 2011 resulted in "no consensus". Is this "Hurricane Irene" the primary topic? --George Ho (talk) 11:08, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Oh... didn't see, which resulted in the informal move. George Ho (talk) 11:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Scope of article
I added the following section under the Turks and Caicos and the Bahamas section (edit 792750243), but it was removed a month later by an anonymous mobile user who tagged their edit with "irrelevant" (edit 797951830).


 * One unusual impact of the storm on the Bahamas was the inspiration for the song "Irene" by Mike Oldfield on his 2014 album, Man on the Rocks. The musician is a resident of the islands and was present during the hurricane, which he described as terrifying. (along with two references)

Rather than get into an edit war, I thought it best to discuss here on the talk page, particularly given the recent news coverage of other famous people being affected by the 2017 hurricane season (e.g. Richard Branson on Necker Island, Hurricanes Irma and Maria). My question is not about whether such coverage is notable enough for Wikipedia - it clearly meets that standard if it's published in national media. Famous people generate news and discussion (just do an internet search for "Branson + Hurricane") and damage to Richard Branson's house is included in the Hurricane Irma article. So what should be the standard for relevance? Wikiwayman (talk) 14:00, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2022
Under Hurricane Irene, please add 69.118.235.133 (talk) 22:09, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Used Template:Main instead of Template:See also since other sections in this article use the former, but request complete. — Sirdog (talk) 01:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2023
Please add, under Hurricane Irene, that the Philadelphia Phillies had to postpone a MLB game against the Miami Marlins. https://whyy.org/articles/marlins-phillies-postponed-due-to-hurricane-irene/ 98.116.45.220 (talk) 21:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Actualcpscm (talk) 22:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2023
White mountain national forest closed, please add to preps: source: https://www.scenicnh.com/blog/2011/08/tropical-storm-irene/ 24.187.202.139 (talk) 16:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Heart  (talk) 03:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Citation needed on chapter preparation / Canada
Please include the demanded citation on chapter Preparation / Canada as following:

http://capnkensblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/ Marc-Lautenbacher (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2023
Please add, at the end of the Vermont impacts sentence (either last or second to last sentence) that flooding from the storm caused the Green Mountain National Forest to close indefinitely. Source: https://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-76692.html 74.11.238.37 (talk) 13:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 16:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)