Talk:Insulacebus

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Request to move page to "Haitian monkey" Makes more sense 98.15.10.143 (talk) 18:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 5 August 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move . (non-admin closure) —  Young Forever (talk)   19:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Insulacebus → Haitian monkey – Makes more sense to change the name and make it more accessible. Having the genus name be the title of the page doesn't work well with categories 98.15.10.143 (talk) 18:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose; fossil genera are generally referred to by their Latin name. Also, "Haitian monkey" gives the impression there are monkeys surviving in Haiti, which, simians aside, is not the case. Tisquesusa (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose; It's not a good idea to name a monkey after a geographic area when the full diversity of the area's former primate fauna may not be known. WolfmanSF (talk) 23:16, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Do any sources even call it this? What when another Haitian monkey taxon is found? FunkMonk (talk) 12:11, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Does not meet the naming conventions for taxa. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 17:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Taxobox info
Fossilworks places this species in tribe Aotini in superfamily Ateloidea, they also say the genus is sister to Aotus and Xenothrix. This is problematic for several reasons: Aotini is no longer used, as it is now the family Aotidae; the current family makeup of Platyrrhini places all five families together with no superfamily groupings; Aotus and Xenothrix are in different families (Xenothrix is in Pitheciidae). I'm going to change the taxobox to point to Aotidae instead of Aotini. I'm also going to make a note at talk:Aotidae that I'll be updating the article to include this extinct species. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:19, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's helpful to remember that Fossilworks is a garbage scow, not a buffet, of paleontological information. It has lots of useful information, but, its usefulness is limited by needing to sift the wheat from the mountains of chafe, outdated information and other garbage.--Mr Fink (talk) 02:12, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll take that as support and encouragement. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 10:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like GBIF and IRMNG also agree with placing this genus in Aotidae. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:37, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, also, Fossilworks is sometimes helpful in helping locate the original describing papers for a taxon. I think that that also, unfortunately, helps contribute to the contributors' habit of not updating the taxonomy the site presents, too.--Mr Fink (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Cool. This article was relatively easy, but it lead me to List_of_fossil_primates_of_South_America... See the talk there.... - UtherSRG (talk) 14:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

However, Insulacebus is not in Aotidae. And it turns out Aotidae isn't closely related to Pitheciidae. At least, according to what I found and sumarrized at talk:List_of_fossil_primates_of_South_America. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Fossil NWM reorganization
Please see the discussion at Talk:List_of_fossil_primates_of_South_America. Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 20:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)