Talk:Interstate 476

Proposed deletion of construction chronology
SECTION 300 - CONSTRUCTION CHRONOLOGY IN MARPLE WOODS AREA-- Is there any good reason to have this unexplained, non sequitur, and hard-to-read detailed history of the procedures from the construction of a short segment of this highway? Unless someone posts a plausible defense of this section in the next few days, I will delete this section. Spikebrennan 02:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Northeast Extension merge

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

merge  V 6 0  VTalk · VDemolitions
 * Support. I-476 and the NE extension are the one and same north of I-276. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 21:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. Northeast Extension of the Pennsylvania Turnpike already redirects to Interstate 476.  Also, the PA Turnpike Commission seems to use the term "Northeast Extension" more often than "Northeastern Extension" (and certainly more often than "North Eastern Extension", which is definitely wrong).Spikebrennan 03:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support, per above --Mhking 03:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support, for the same reasons listed above. -TheDude2006 22:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support, enough consensus has been reached; merging now. V60 VTalk - VDemolitions 17:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: this discussion is not about the merge proposed January 6, 2006. To start a discussion on that merge, please do so in a new section below. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 17:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Why north to south?
When the infobox was cleaned up, why were the junctions reorganized from north to south, in violation of common practice of using south to north? -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * My bad. Didn't realize that the junctions were listed north to south previously. In any case, I've fixed the order to read south-north. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 23:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Some improvements
I think this page could use some improvement and cleaning up. It mostly consists of information on the Blue Route with a few Northeast Extension-related bits tacked on, however now that Northeast Extension redirects here I think more information on the history Northeast Extension should be integrated somehow. Also a lot of stuff could be moved around or consolidated; the Description section pretty much just repeats info described later in the article plus some weird nonsense about I-476 "becoming part of a multi-county beltway" (?). Perhaps History should be where Description is now. Same with the Notes section, everything else in the section is found somewhere in the article, except for the one bullet point about it being longer than I-12/I-19/etc. which would still be better integrated elsewhere. (One thing that also puzzles me is why the Pennsylvania Turnpike/Interstate 95 Interchange Project is mentioned no less than three times in the article, including in "See also"? It's not related to either the Blue Route or the Northeast Extension at all.) Krimpet 12:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I expanded the History section into separate sections for the Blue Route and the Northeast Extension. I also added a less rambling route description into the beginning of the article, and integrated the Notes section into the rest of the article. Krimpet 03:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The road to featured article status
I'd like to see this article along the long road to featured article status. It was rated as a stub last September when it looked like this, an apt rating IMO, but I'd say it's greatly improved since then. I'm curious, does anyone have any ideas or suggestions on how this article could be improved further? Krimpet 04:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * A route description would work wonders for this article. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 04:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. I also requested a map for the article, which I think would be good to have. Krimpet 05:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I like where this article is going. I guess my only comment at this point would be to expand the lead a bit to cover the history of I-476 - not in-depth, but an overview. An expanded lead will help to push the route description farther down, and will make the article appear more robust. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 04:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's B-class now. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 04:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I expanded the lead as you said, including information on the Blue Route controversy (and a juicy quote from the Inquirer) to encourage the reader to read on as per WP:LEAD. I figure I'll follow in the footsteps of Interstate 290 (Illinois) and request a peer review to get some more feedback on how this article could be improved for the next step up to GA status. Krimpet 16:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

GA on Hold
The article is quite good and close to GA status but I was concerned by the lack of sources in the Route description section. This section is the most likely to be infected with original research and the best way to counter that is sourcing. If some sources, even general ones, could be added that would be great. I didn't see any other issues and the sourcing in the rest of the article is adequate. Eluchil404 13:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, done. I cleaned up a couple of the OR-leaning statements and added sources. Krimpet 21:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * This article was left on hold for awhile, and it does appear the original nominator's concerns were addressed as citations do seem plentiful in the section in question, so therefore, i'm passing this article. Homestarmy 16:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll Help
I may be away from home, but i can still help out. I've been on this route thousands of times. I'll fix the exit list just a little bit with the notes and milages but you guys shouldn't worry I won't mess anything up. --  Johnny Albert 10  Time to talk · My Help 17:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm just curious, what is your source for these double-digit-precise mileages? I'm afraid they may be inaccurate, as the federal route log states that I-476 is only 129.6 miles long, while your mileages claim it to be 131.37. Krimpet 01:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

My Bad
Sorry, I forgot to site my cources. I got the millages from DeLorme's computer program and i tested it several times and it seems to be correct. The exit number for Clarks Summit is 131 why does it say the length is 129? I would understand 130 but 129 is too less. I think those people you got that information from are wrong Krimpet. --  Johnny Albert 10  Time to talk · My Help 22:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, that's a good point, I overlooked the fact that the last exit is in fact 131. Not to mention that the NE EXT is 110.6 miles long according to the Turnpike, but I know for a fact the Blue Route is over 20; the FHWA route log must be slightly off for some reason. I've updated the mileage info in the infobox and lead-in to reflect this, good work. Krimpet 02:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

(A helpful hint BTW: you don't have to add a new subsection to the talk page everytime, you can just edit the existing sections.)


 * Stupid me adding sections, i'll remember not to do that. Relax man, this route can't lose it will become a good article or even a featured article i hope. --  Johnny Albert 10  Time to talk · My Help 23:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm changing the mileage back to FHWA's. The exit numbers should not be regarded as mileages, although PA uses the mile-based exit numbering. A reason it's a bit off is because of the first exit being numbered 1, and that causes the distance in DeLorme's Street Atlas to be off. This is the same reasoning behind the length of Interstate 780 (California).  V 6 0  VTalk · VDemolitions  ·  VRoads 18:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC) Just for reference, the Northeast Extenstion has a length of 110.6 miles between the Mid-County interchange and the Clarks Summit interchange, while the Mid-County Expressway has a length of 21.5 miles according to PennDOT's Blue Route page. --Polaron | Talk 19:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Then use that. Locally reliable sources are more reliable than national outdated reliable sources... :-)  V 6 0  VTalk ·  VDemolitions  ·  VRoads 21:28, 7 March 2007. (UTC)

I'm so glad!
This has a GA and a High For all! Neptunemusic (talk) 00:41, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

More feedback on exit list etc.
I find "There is also a small dirt road near the Haverford Township exit ...". What does this have to do with I-476? The only other Haverford reference I find is a reference to Haverford College.

Are you sure the Taylor and Clarks Summit exits had old numbers 38 and 39 respectively? This would have been a change from even older exit numbering in that area (Taylor exit did not exist yet, and Clarks Summit was exit 38). (I have put in a remark just ahead of the I-476 exit list to explain old exit number 25A and also old exit numbers 31 and upward.)

Also I remember a remark somewhere that the Northeast Extension was posted as I-476 because the Interstate system in this part of the U.S. was out of 2-digit odd numbers. (99 was taken for the U.S. 220 expressway much further west in Pennsylvania, and 67 is thus the highest currently-unused 2-digit odd number in the system.)


 * I clearly remember Taylor and Clarks Summit having exit numbers of 38 and 39. Both originally had toll booths, to be replaced by the toll barrier south of both exits. Bill S. (talk) 14:15, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Actual mileage of "Blue Route"
The article says that the non-toll section of I-476 (locally known as the "Blue Route") is 21.5 mi long. However, the exit list shows the toll barrier at 19.97 and the overpass of the main line of the Pennsylvania Turnpike is at the 20.3 mile marker. I also remember the bridge being around the 20 mile marker as well. The toll barrier is considered the dividing line, and is numbered as Exit 20. Therefore, the lower section should be listed as 20 mi in length. Bill S. (talk) 14:20, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have fixed to to reflect the length as being 20 miles.  Dough 48  72  23:14, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Interchange with Interstate 78
Interstate 476 allows access to Interstate 78 via US 22. I have seen other road articles include interstates in the infobox that the interstate does not have a direct interchange with. For example, Interstate 78 has Interstate 476 in the infobox. I think that Interstate 78 should be added to the infobox. Any thoughts? PointsofNoReturn (talk) 00:06, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Only direct interchanges should be included in infoboxes.  Dough 48  72  01:40, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm only suggesting this for consistency. Some infoboxes list indirect interchanges, others don't. There is nothing in the infobox standards that mentions whether indirect interchanges should be listed or not. I guess it is up to the article manager. I still think the Interstate 78 indirect interchange should be listed though. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:46, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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