Talk:Iowa–Iowa State football rivalry

Trophy Condition
While it is possible the trophy may have been damaged, the post game photos from the Cyclones website don't appear for it to be broken. -Colslax 23:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

There is no way that you could see the trophy swiveling in a photo. I saw the game live, and the trophy is broken. johnandrus 23:51, 15 September 2007

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Colors and text legibility
The cardinal red used to denote Cyclone wins makes it very hard to read the text of that year's game results. Consider revising it to something different? --Sephiroth9611 (talk) 15:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Years for the Cy-Hawk trophy
This page is about the trophy and not the Iowa-ISU rivalry. Results for the Iowa- ISU rivalry from before the trophy is not relevant on this page and should be considered being placed somewhere else like the Iowa State Cyclones football.--Jaretac (talk) 02:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Agreeed, if the trophy was introduced in 1977 there is no reason to have the results of the game all the way back to 1894 listed on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.42.61.213 (talk) 14:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Future of the Trophy
I have uncovered some information from a source at Cyclone Awards and Engraving in Ames in regard to the original Cy-Hawk Trophy...

While the University of Iowa and Iowa State University had agreed to donate the trophy to the Iowa Hall of Pride, the trophy is still owned by the Des Moines Athletic Club. The DMAC instructed Cyclone Awards to engrave plates with the scores for both the 2010 and 2011 games. According to the source, it seems as though the DMAC felt slighted by the Universities decision to donate the trophy without consulting them, they seem to be planning to continue to engrave plates for the trophy and keep the original up-to-date.

I understand that this information is considered original research and thus has no place in the actual article until a verifiable story has been written on the future of the old trophy...I just thought it was juicy and might be of interest to editors and fans.

DUKyleXY (talk) 20:08, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Iowa Scout Trophy
May 26th 2021 was the first awarding of Iowa Scout Trophy. Iowa State won against the University of Iowa in a celebrity pinewood derby. This is an traveling annual trophy, similar to the Cy-Hawk Trophy.

This event was set up to be a fundraiser for the Illowa Council, Boy Scouts of America. Troop 199’s leadership team host the event with the radio morning show Dwyer and Michaels on 97X.

This was the 2nd Annual Celebrity Pinewood Derby, but a first in having Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz vs Iowa State head Coach Matt Campbell. Iowa State won two of three heads and took home the Iowa Scout Trophy.

These pinewood derby cars will be auctioned off to benefit the Boy Scouts of America during the weekend of the Iowa & Iowa State football game annually. Watch the highlights from WHBF https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SZz5VGJ9MB4

Briangirskis (talk) 15:30, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

"El Assico" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect El Assico and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 15 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 02:58, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

"El Assico" again
There has been some discussion over the years regarding the nickname "El Assico" for the annual game, namely
 * (a) should the nickname "El Assico" be mentioned in the article?
 * (b) should El Assico be a redirect to the article?

The current consensus appears to be "no" to both (a) and (b); however, this only becomes clear from a tedious search of multiple discussions scattered in different places, involving a mixture of people aware of earlier discussions and others not so aware. In case this discussion should arise again, let me do two things:
 * 1) I suggest that future discussion take place on this Talk: page as a good central place. If an editor adds a mention to "El Assico" absent a change in the present consensus, it would be a convenient revert edit summary to say Talk: page consensus is not to mention the "El Assico" nickname.
 * 2) I offer a synopsis with links to previous discussions. This synopsis may be incomplete, since I was not involved in any discussions until this week. Please add any more bits I have missed.
 * {|class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"

! Edit date(s) and location !! Summary !! User(s) involved
 * +Synopsis/History of El Assico mentions/redirect
 * 2016-07-11T02:38:23 Article edit
 * "I added the nickname of the series by which it is commonly referred to, as well as the etymology of said nickname"
 * 96.36.92.50
 * 2016-07-25T03:31:25 Article edit
 * [manual delete]
 * 96.36.92.50
 * 2016-12-03T20:17:29 Article edit
 * "Properly added reference to El Assico, with citation"
 * 2017-01-09T17:29:16 Article edit
 * [manual delete] "No one calls the Iowa-Iowa State rivalry ¡El Assico! except the morons involved with that article"
 * 2607:FE28:202E:9E00:CC0A:E9D7:DC8B:2E35
 * 2018-08-02T23:57:26 Article edit
 * [added mention]
 * 129.138.149.30
 * Redirect created
 * 2019-06-05 Redirect RFD (keep)
 * reasons "abusive or offensive" -- result "keep now that the sourcing has been sorted out and mentioned"
 * (nominator) (oppose)  (oppose)  (closer)
 * Redirect protected
 * "Persistent disruptive editing"
 * 2018-09-03T19:10:49 Article edit
 * [manual delete]
 * 2019-09-15T18:08:26 Article edit
 * [added mention with reference]
 * 66.44.116.172
 * 2019-09-16T23:50:09 Article edit
 * [manual delete] "one blog network using a nickname isn't a nickname"
 * 2020-07-10T08:04:48 Article edit
 * [add mention without reference; same user's next 2 edits add more mentions]
 * 2600:8807:c100:1212:586d:1f70:560a:3a63
 * 2020-10-10T22:02:26 Article edit
 * [edited existing mention, added reference]
 * 207.172.130.188
 * 2020-12-28T17:19:23 Article edit
 * [deleted mention]
 * 207.177.85.148
 * 2021-09-07T04:55:35 Article edit
 * "Adding alternative name of the game"
 * 2601:181:4701:9e0:7cec:268:6bda:9748
 * 2021-09-12T15:16:25 Article edit
 * [revert prev] "vandalism with obscure reference"
 * 73.153.28.204
 * 2021-09-16T17:57:05 Article edit
 * [revert prev] "Was not vandalism. Nicknames used frequently by contributors to ESPN, Vox and USA Today are also not obscure. While the information may bother a person who does not want it to be true, it is true, presented in a neutral manner and not vandalism"
 * 97.99.100.95
 * 2021-09-28T22:49:27 Article edit
 * [revert prev] "Vandalism"
 * 24.148.14.116
 * 2021-09-28T23:00:28 Article edit
 * [revert prev] "Reverted good faith edits ... The source seems to backup the claim made by this sentence, nor would I constitute this as being vandalistic"
 * 2021-09-30T21:00:39 Article edit
 * [revert prev] "removed vague reference"
 * 73.153.28.204
 * 2021-11-23T17:26:10 Article edit
 * [revert prev] "RVV"
 * 2021-11-23T17:26:28 Article edit
 * [Protected for 2 weeks: "Persistent vandalism" -- Edit and Move : Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access]
 * 2022-01-23T21:13:45 Article edit
 * [manual delete] "One website using a nickname does not make it a popular name"
 * Redirect unprotected
 * "Testing whether long-term protection is still needed"
 * 2022-04-29 Redirect RFD (deleted)
 * reasons "promotes an obscure SB Nation article"; abusive"; "spam"; "just dumb"; "Not mentioned at target"
 * 71.237.70.164 (nominator) (comment)  (support)  (support)  (closer)
 * 2022-09-11T05:53:09 Article edit
 * [manual add with reference]
 * Redirect created
 * 2022-09-11T21:16:23 Article edit
 * [revert prev]
 * 71.237.70.164
 * Redirect speedy deleted
 * (closer)
 * 2022-11-17T17:46:55 Article edit
 * [manual add with reference]
 * 2022-11-19T22:43:22 Article edit
 * [revert prev]
 * 71.237.70.164
 * Redirect created
 * 2022-11-30T00:50:31 Article edit
 * [manual add with reference]
 * 2022-12-01T01:30:52 Article edit
 * [revert prev]
 * 71.237.70.164
 * 2022-12-01T03:14:19 Redirect RFD then speedy deleted
 * "already reviewed in the last year"; "G8, as the target is non-existent" -- result speedy delete. CSD G8
 * 71.237.70.164 (nominator)  (support)  (comment)  (closer)
 * 2022-12-01T18:00:34 Redirect create protection
 * "Indefinite create protection: Repeatedly recreated"
 * (request) (actioned)
 * 2022-12-02 Redirect deletion review
 * Me alleging that CSD G8 was the wrong criterion for the latest deletion
 * }
 * Redirect unprotected
 * "Testing whether long-term protection is still needed"
 * 2022-04-29 Redirect RFD (deleted)
 * reasons "promotes an obscure SB Nation article"; abusive"; "spam"; "just dumb"; "Not mentioned at target"
 * 71.237.70.164 (nominator) (comment)  (support)  (support)  (closer)
 * 2022-09-11T05:53:09 Article edit
 * [manual add with reference]
 * Redirect created
 * 2022-09-11T21:16:23 Article edit
 * [revert prev]
 * 71.237.70.164
 * Redirect speedy deleted
 * (closer)
 * 2022-11-17T17:46:55 Article edit
 * [manual add with reference]
 * 2022-11-19T22:43:22 Article edit
 * [revert prev]
 * 71.237.70.164
 * Redirect created
 * 2022-11-30T00:50:31 Article edit
 * [manual add with reference]
 * 2022-12-01T01:30:52 Article edit
 * [revert prev]
 * 71.237.70.164
 * 2022-12-01T03:14:19 Redirect RFD then speedy deleted
 * "already reviewed in the last year"; "G8, as the target is non-existent" -- result speedy delete. CSD G8
 * 71.237.70.164 (nominator)  (support)  (comment)  (closer)
 * 2022-12-01T18:00:34 Redirect create protection
 * "Indefinite create protection: Repeatedly recreated"
 * (request) (actioned)
 * 2022-12-02 Redirect deletion review
 * Me alleging that CSD G8 was the wrong criterion for the latest deletion
 * }
 * Redirect created
 * 2022-11-30T00:50:31 Article edit
 * [manual add with reference]
 * 2022-12-01T01:30:52 Article edit
 * [revert prev]
 * 71.237.70.164
 * 2022-12-01T03:14:19 Redirect RFD then speedy deleted
 * "already reviewed in the last year"; "G8, as the target is non-existent" -- result speedy delete. CSD G8
 * 71.237.70.164 (nominator)  (support)  (comment)  (closer)
 * 2022-12-01T18:00:34 Redirect create protection
 * "Indefinite create protection: Repeatedly recreated"
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 * 2022-12-02 Redirect deletion review
 * Me alleging that CSD G8 was the wrong criterion for the latest deletion
 * }
 * 2022-12-01T18:00:34 Redirect create protection
 * "Indefinite create protection: Repeatedly recreated"
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 * 2022-12-02 Redirect deletion review
 * Me alleging that CSD G8 was the wrong criterion for the latest deletion
 * }
 * Me alleging that CSD G8 was the wrong criterion for the latest deletion
 * }
 * }

jnestorius(talk) 21:37, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
I have no opinion on the substantive questions (a) and (b) above. I can make some points: jnestorius(talk) 21:37, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * the answer should either be both "yes" or both "no", not yes to one and no to the other.
 * if El Assico is to redirect to here, then I suggest:
 * The redirect should read
 * The mention in the article should be preceded by
 * I don't see any evidence of vandalism by those adding (or deleting) the nickname. I can see how a vandal might make the addition, but without other evidence Goodfaith applies. One might criticise e.g. KENGRIFFEY24FAN's edits on other grounds but not vandalism.
 * The reference bannersociety or its predecessor sbnation does not claim, much less prove, that the nickname has any currency beyond SB Nation. It does prove that SB Nation uses the nickname, but I doubt whether that fact is notable enough to mention in the article. A reputable news source saying "some people call the game El Assico" would be sufficient proof to mention it. (A reputable news source saying "SB Nation calls the game El Assico"? I leave others to debate that if it ever happens.)
 * I agree that the answers to A and B should be the same, and agree that third-party coverage of SB Nation use of the term is key. I couldn't find any at the first RfD. Has anyone else found any? --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 22:05, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's two:
 * Chris Johnson si.com 2017-09-07 The great EDSBS has dubbed this game “El Assico,” (EDSBS is the Twitter handle of Spencer Hall, author of the SB Nation article.)
 * Bremen Keasey The Daily Cardinal 2018-09 Iowa State vs. Iowa a.k.a. “El Assico” — as the oft-ugly rivalry has been dubbed by some corners of the internet
 * I defer to others as to whether that suffices for a mention. jnestorius(talk) 17:53, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

¡El Assico! has become pretty common on social media like Twitter; here examples from major accounts not included above (for brevity I'm only using old-verified accounts, not paid blue check nonesense): ¡El Assico! is you, ¡El Assico! is me, ¡El Assico! is all of us. --Bobak (talk) 05:29, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * (1) Bill Connelly, ESPN
 * (2) RedditCFB
 * (3) Tom Fornelli, CBS Sports
 * (4) Chris Vannini, The Athletic


 * 'El Assico' is also the common name on reddit's college football page. for example the post here  2603:7000:9300:77:C8D0:116D:FC23:BBE7 (talk) 01:29, 7 September 2023 (UTC)