Talk:Iron & Wine

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Looks like it has happened a couple times: folks are linking Sam Beam, which has a redirect back to Iron & Wine. Since Iron & Wine is a stage name, I don't see any reason for separate articles (which there are currently not). Curious why some folks see a need to do this circular link. -- Dave C. 17:26, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The reason is that eventually, someone might want to make their own article on Sam Beam. When the article is created, the link will be more useful. There is no harm in putting it there ahead of time. --Malathion 00:47, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.  -- Dave C. 00:08, 24 May 2005 (UTC)


 * sorry i removed the link. didn't check the discussion page first.--Alhutch 07:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

"beautifully cinematographic"? is this really a good way to describe something? i don't wish to tread on any toes, but it sounds a bit ponce.
 * I agree...a little less POV, perhaps? TommyBoy76 21:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)TommyBoy76


 * You guys should put some mention about "Lion's Mane" being on Clorox's "The Blue Sky Project" CD that is available on CDBaby and iTunes. http://www.clorox.com/our_story/media_center/index.php?movie_id=audio_2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.81.118.114 (talk) 20:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Band or Songwriter?
When Iron & Wine performed on NPR's Live Concerts podcast, he was referred to by the guy introducing him as a band. Is this the stage name for one individual or for a steady band that he performs with? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurf Durfington (talk • contribs) 11:15, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Iron and Wine is Sam Beam. If he performs solo or with a band the act is called Iron and Wine.Iangurteen (talk) 12:32, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Austin City Limits
Iron & Wine performed on Austin City Limits, a PBS show. You can read the details here: http://www.pbs.org/klru/austin/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=229&Itemid=677  Shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere? KannD86 (talk) 15:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Broken Link
Reference six seems to be broken. Would fix it myself if I knew where it is supposed to link to. Carnelain 20:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Sub Pop Singles Club
Why in the world does Sub Pop Singles Club redirect to here? It predates Iron & Wine and has nothing to with him. - Sub Pop 7,000,000 Sub Pop post
 * Not completely true - in March of 2002, he was featured on a release from the Sub Pop Singles Club. That said, it shouldn't redirect here and it now redirects to Sub Pop. Josh 04:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge with the iTunes EP
Why exactly would such a merge be necessary? I'm failing to see a point for consideration. Josh 01:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've removed the tag for the merge -- if anybody has a problem with that, just revert it, but since there is no precedent for merging information about an individual disc into the article for the artist, it doesn't make sense to consider merging the articles. If anything, the article for the EP should be expanded so it will stand better on its own.  Josh 17:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

"Such Great Heights"
I believe The Postal Service covered Beam's "Such Great Heights"... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.126.168.137 (talk • contribs) 00:40, September 19, 2006 (UTC).
 * The album page for Give Up says the tracks were written by the Postal Service. And I think the lyrics show it: "the freckles in our eyes are mirror images, and when we kiss they're perfectly aligned" sounds too cheery to be Sam Beam material. Elembis 02:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh snap. Josh 21:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

In a |live recorded concert on 5/10/2007 for NPR's All Songs Considered, Ben Gibbard plays "Such Great Heights" as the first encore, and he introduces it by saying, "This song is by Sam Beam." On the podcast, it comes around 49:20. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.109.198.186 (talk) 15:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * To bad that every reliable published source, including the album credits, disagree. That's not a good enough source to change the article, as "by" doesn't really say that Beam wrote the song.  It could just be an off-hand remark about Beam having recorded the song -- Foetusized (talk) 13:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * "Such Great Heights" is written by the Postal Service, though Beam's cover emerged before the original somehow! It was featured as a b-side on the Postal Service's single.Iangurteen (talk) 12:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Good article
Here's a good article for the editor's of this page to use: http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article/5121/iron_wine .↔NMajdan •talk  20:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Article mentioned
During an interview with Iron & Wine on the World Cafe, host David Dye makes a reference to something that he read in this article (his comments regarding Wikipedia aren't entirely favorable). It seems he was referencing the the quote about Beam being taken aback when Bush was re-elected. The Wikipedia source for this is an article in The Independent. The link to that article is dead. Anybody have a better source? -MrFizyx 18:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Sam Beam film(s)?
If Beam taught film and cinematography, does that mean he did some filmmaking of his own? What did he make? 66.41.253.22 (talk) 07:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

And or ampersand

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no move from the stable version as there was no consensus that "Iron and Wine" is significantly more common than "Iron & Wine" -- PBS (talk) 17:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Iron &amp; Wine → Iron and Wine &mdash; Seems to be Sam Beam's preferred form of the band name, from his web site and the two most recent studio albums. Foetusized (talk) 17:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone just moved the article to Iron And Wine (and did a search & replace to change the name within the article too). I reverted it because it hadn't been discussed, and because it was poorly title-cased. If the article were to move, it should move to Iron and Wine instead.

His website tends to use 'and'. On the covers of his last two releases, Around the Well spells out 'and' while Norfolk 06-20-05 uses an ampersand. I don't think this is a clear-cut choice -- Foetusized (talk) 11:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Please don't move the article again until we can discuss this here -- Foetusized (talk) 11:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * My apologies. I prefer 'And' but I realise that 'and' is correct. As you may have guessed I'm not a long-time Wikipedian so I didn't realise that I was doing anything wrong going and changing it. Anyway, I think 'and' would be preferable to '&', as it appears like that on his website, his MySpace page and most of the album covers... I'm happy for you to do it more expertly. ;) --Carderne (talk) 15:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The more I look, the more I think Iron and Wine is the way to go.  I'll let it wait a few days to see if anyone shows up here with any great objections.  This talk page didn't get moved last time, so I'll make sure to take care of that -- Foetusized (talk) 17:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Oppose — A survey of the existing references (there's a couple of deal links, by the way) in the article is a fairly even split between using "and" or an ampersand. Barring the addition of more references, since there appears to be no clear-cut choice, the best move is to just leave the page as is. — V = I * R  (talk) 22:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, but I think the fact that 'and' is used on the official website is enough to decide it? Why propagate the mistakes of others? --Carderne (talk) 17:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Because there's a long running standard here that 1) we don't allow "official information" any more weight then anything else (and, quite often, it's worth less) and 2) we're not in the business of "fixing" mistakes. — V = I * R  (talk) 21:35, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. --Carderne (talk) 11:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This is an interesting situation, since there are compelling arguments on both sides. Reliable sources do use the ampersand, as do official publications of the artist, and the WP:& guideline advises to retain the ampersand in titles of works and organizations. (I presume the same applies to names of artists.) However, the artist does use "and" as well, and that usage seems to be the preferred variant recently. On balance, I think "&" and "and" are pretty much interchangeable here, and "and" is preferred in running text, and is also the usage the artist's official website uses. WP:MOSTM doesn't really apply here since we're not talking about nonstandard formatting in either case. Support move. Jafeluv (talk) 23:21, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:& does say to use "and" within prose, and while it qualifies it's use in an (oddly specific) attempt to limit it only to "titles of works and organizations" for some reason, the idea presented there seems to me that it's preferred that we keep it in titles. I'm not sure where the specific qualifiers come from, or even how to precisely define them, but I don't think it's too important... actually, that could even apply here, since "titles of works" could easily fit. I'm betting that Sam Beam has been pushed into using "and" by publishers who don't want to use the "&" anyway, so their probably just using "and" more often out of habit. — V = I * R  (talk to Ω) 12:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

messed up link
the link for his single "the trapeze swinger" just reloads the same page. i dont know how to fix this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.133.129.157 (talk) 03:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Christian musician?
An IP editor has twice added "Christian" to the first sentence of this article. This is not correct, per the Paste Magazine article cited in the entry.


 * What Iron and Wine’s music seems to be urging toward more than anything is innocence, and the touchstones in this quest are frequently religious in nature. Beginning with his very ﬁrst album, Beam’s writing has often used the specific language of Christianity, in lines like “Jesus, a friend of the weaker ones said, ‘I’m all they stole from you,’” (The Creek Drank the Cradle’s “Southern Anthem”) or the heartfelt prayer of Our Endless Numbered Days’ “On Your Wings”: “God give us love in the time that we have / God, there are guns growing out of our bones / God, every road takes us farther from home.” But while it may puzzle some that a self-confessed agnostic like Beam would ﬁnd consistent inspiration in biblical images and characters that are as likely to converse with the Holy Spirit as they are to address a love interest, for Beam it’s a natural, essential part of his writing process. “I like to use [religious images] because it starts you off a little bit further along in the story. You know, you could say Bob and Jerry did this, but then you have to explain who they are. But if you say ‘Cain and Abel’ it carries a certain weight. They have a connotation everyone understands, they symbolize the duality in us all. ... I like using those, because it’s our mythology.”

His use of religious imagery might be good to add to the article (using the above source) but simply calling him a Christian songwriter is inaccurate -- Foetusized (talk) 12:45, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

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City of birth
A little bonjour from France. I found three web sites giving Columbia in South Carolina as the city where Samuel Beam was born. I did not modify the element on Wikidata but I replaced Chapin in the first section of the page in french. Olga Rithme (talk) 19:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)