Talk:Iskandar of Johor

Removal of powers
I've always believed the assault was used more of an excuse to remove powers rather then being the real reason for the removal of powers. Anyone else agree and can find a reference? N.B. I'm not denying Sultan Iskandar is a violent, arrogant idiot who should never have been Sultan let alone agong and that allowing Sultans to be prosecuted is a good thing... Nil Einne 16:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup please
I don't know who the heck wrote this article but I do know that it's very low in quality. This paragraph for example:

"While he was Yang di-Pertuan Agong, Sultan Iskandar created further controversy by assaulting a golf caddy. A soldier, the brother of the caddy who was badly injured (??? - did he survive???)Bold text, subsequently ran amok in Kuala Lumpur causing a security scare. The soldier was later arrested and sent to a mental hospital."

Apart from the poor writing quality, the statement itself lacks referance albeit being a well-known story among Malaysians..


 * Obviously some of the contributors to this article are not very comfortable with using English as a language of explanation... Many of the sentences are awkward and even seem to say things which appear to be unintentional... However, it is the lack of fluid thought which is most noticeable... As such, even though this article is "live" as news, if anyone can help clean it up, please do. Some of the sentences are so unclear to me, I am uncertain how to improve them, and normally the English language is fairly easy for me to apply... Stevenmitchell (talk) 04:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Some comments
This articles has some comments that is without citation. Take for example the sentence where the Sultan of Johore and Dr mahathir collaborated to sack Tun Salleh Abas. No citation was given, and it is quite illogical that these two figures that seem to hate each other would actually work together —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.142.24.130 (talk) 02:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

...his bad temper and frequent abuses were the main reasons...
Twice the same phrase was added to the paragraph within these few days: and. The new phrase, "In 1956, Tunku Iskandar married a Cornish lady by the name of Josephine Trevorrow, with whom he had four children, including the crown prince, Tunku Ibrahim Ismail. The marriage ended with divorce in 1962, his bad temper and frequent abuses were the main reasons.", citing Mads lange fra bali, Andressen, pg 123, I did not notice that anywhere was this "bad temper" issue was raised. Contentious facts can be removed as per Citing_sources.

The problem is, these are edited by annonymous editors. Since much of the content is rather libelious and would require solid citations to back up, if in any case the editor insist that this phrase is in the book, can you please type out the phrase--I know its in Danish---that cites his "bad temper" issue? Adding scandalous info without solid basis for citation--and inserting into it as if it is cited would be against Biographies_of_living_persons and []. Mr Tan (talk) 14:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Johor Royalty
"his bad temper and frequent abuses were the main reasons..."

Hi Mr Tan,

I was the anonymous user who added the above phrase in the article on Johor's Sultan Iskandar. The reason why I added it is because I felt that there is a likelihood of truth for the divorce of Sultan Iskandar and Josephine Trevorrow. If you feel that the above phrase is libellous you may have it removed.

By the way, I would like to thank and salute you for the nice work done on the Johor royalty. I wonder where did you obtain all the information?

I would be grateful if you could find information or articles on the past abuses of Sultan Ibrahim and highlight it in the article. This would be rather difficult as it happened such a long time ago. Perhaps,you could find some archival newspaper articles written by Dato Onn titled "Tyranny in Johore" where he exposed the misdeeds of the ruler especially in the ill treatment of the JMF personnel. He was banished from the state as a result and it was quite a long time before Sultan Ibrahim forgave him. 60.50.228.148 (talk) 01:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it is not exactly about the issue of libellous--in wikipedia, wikipedia requires information to stick to accountability to any contributions to the information contributed on articles. This is essentially wikipedia policies and guidelines (Citing_sources and Verifiability) as editors we will have to abide. For my part, I checked the sources and  there was no mention of his bad temper leading to his divorce--as far as what I could interpret from my limited Danish. As an established member of wikipedia, I thank you for raising the point that it was only a likehood. I admit--I did know about past rumours of the "slapping incident" in 1978 when his mother, the Sultanah was fatally injured in a car accident in northern Johor, but being rumours--which cannot be backed by newspaper or academic sources, however tempting it would be against wikipedia guidelines to add on--the countervandalism unit would usually not have the tendency to reason out these edits, as many of them are not necessarily familiar with Malaysian politics.


 * My advise is that, if you might want to contribute, try to obtain citations as per guidelines which were mandated in order for you to establish credbility. You may also want to establish a new account--may be visit here Tutorial (Registration)? A user's establishment will certainly do much to help you in editing in wikipedia in the long run. You might want to consider.

Cheers! Mr Tan (talk) 12:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Sultan Ibrahim of Johor
I would like to thank and salute you for the nice work done on the Johor royalty. I wonder how did you manage to obtain all the information?

It would be interesting if you could find information or articles on the past abuses and controversies of the late Sultan Ibrahim and highlight it in the article as there were rumors among the older Johoreans that he was yet another tyrannical ruler like his grandson, Sultan Iskandar. This would be rather difficult as it happened such a long time ago. Perhaps,you could find some archival newspaper articles written by Dato Onn titled Tyranny in Johore where he exposed the misdeeds of the ruler especially in the ill treatment of the JMF personnel. He was banished from the state around 1927 as a result and it was quite a long time before Sultan Ibrahim forgave him. 118.100.108.50 (talk) 08:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...interesting fact, but Ive never heard of it before.

Let me elaborate how I find my facts: A combination of amateur research in my local library and Google books, whereby you can lift off phrases of books by googling phrases which you might think off. On your part, perhaps you can say ["Dato Onn" tyranny] in the google search box in Google books, and see if you can see any research material into it. As for me, I would give it a try, but I cant possibly commit to your requests.

However, if you might be interested in contributing, while such astounding facts might be interesting to contribute, nevertheless all ediotrs, whatever their sentiments and affiliations, must have a NPOV neutral and objective viewpoint. Any sources that may be contributed, should usually conform to Verifiability and Citing sources. There are many more policies and guidelines in wikipedia, but these are some which I find it useful. As you can see in Sultan iskandar's article--just because he committed notorious deeds, it does not mean that we should be outright labelling him as a "gangster" or "murderer", unless if there are outright facts--of course, we cannot quote from trivia websites or blogspots--it would only violate the policies and guidelines. If possible, try to balance it off with the brighter side of a person, for reasons of NPOV neutrality--after all, Biographies_of_living_persons, right?

Anyway, I see if I have the time I will see to your request--but take note of my advice when editing, for the Counter-Vandalism Unit would blatantly revert edits--which is unpleasant, partly given that many do not have good knowledge of local affairs such as Johor. Have fun! Mr Tan (talk) 12:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * To be a little clearer on the issue of name, I also feel that it is important that the paragraph be included in the lead section, especially for people with multiple first and middle names, of which various sources set his names by addressing him "Sultan Mahmood", "Sultan Mahmud Iskandar" and "Sultan Iskandar". Nevertheless, while the Sultan prefers the convention to be addressed by the name "Iskandar", western sources have the tendency to address him also by the first name--especially in older sources. Naturally, other editors may experience confusion over this matter and future contributions would not be consistent--meaning some parts of the article would have "Mahmood Iskandar", "Iskandar" or "Mahmud"--naturally this would not go in line with Manual_of_Style. Especially for less notable people like the Sultan, I think a paragraph should be dedicated to the lead section to explain this convention in order to set a firm precedence regarding his name. Putting it into the sections, especially in a large article like this, would serve to decrease the importance to the name but also less users will notice the paragraph and we may have these issues popping up in the future. You may take a look at an older version of this article (before January 2009) and analyse these trends: Example.

I will be also editing on the lead section--but I ask that you give me a little time. If you think that some more work may be needed to get a GA, please do not hesitate to let me know, and I will be happy to work things out. Thanks! Mr Tan (talk) 10:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Move
I have moved the article, after agreement during the Good Article review, from Sultan Iskandar of Johor to Iskandar of Johor. The rationale is based on Naming conventions (names and titles), which applies to all Western and Islamic monarchs (and thus also Malaysian). "Pre-emptively disambiguate the names of kings, queens regnant, and many emperors and empresses regnant in the format "{Monarch's first name and ordinal} of {Country}", omitting the royal or imperial titles. Examples: Edward I of England; Alfonso XII of Spain; Henry I of France."

All articles on Wikipedia should follow their respective naming conventions. Disagreement about the naming convention itself should be discussed on at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles), rather than here. Arsenikk (talk)  09:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Ancestry tree of Sultan Iskandar
There is a template used to generate the tree ancestry tree on this page. As this template is only used by this page, it causes a level of complexity for editing the article that is unnecessary and most probably confusing for editors who are not familiar with translucent templates. Because the template could be used on other pages, it needs to have all its references local to the template so that any article that includes the template also includes the sources for the tree in the template.

The simple solution to this problem is to move the visible content of the template onto this page and redirect the template the the ancestry section of this artile. This will allow a history of the edits to the tree to be kept (in the template) but will allow the tree to be fully integrated into this article including the citations in the template. If someone chooses to do this the please make sure to properly attribute the edit that moves the table content here (see WP:copying within Wikipedia for how to do this) -- PBS (talk)

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