Talk:Jack Baruth

This page is a mess
What's the purpose of this page? The original page comes off as 50% advertisement/50% parody. Then there is somebody who keeps deleting references to cut the page down. Then there is somebody else who keeps writing the same thing without a link. Somebody else marked it as db-spam. It should be scrubbed out and either deleted or rewritten to Wiki guidelines. 70.217.169.146 (talk) 03:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Jack, are you John C Baruth?
Were you ever jailed? This seems bigger news than your cycling injuries...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.200.223.14 (talk) 04:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Anyone object to me savagely editing this page
I mean apart from Jack/John Baruth? I will remove all the irrelevant and uninteresting commentary. For example: -any mention of his amateur motorsports activities. -any mention of his website contibutions. -his height -his weight -that amusing photo and caption. 121.91.106.47 (talk) 02:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)TTAC-reader.

Most BMX riders have the "Cyclist Infobox", so that should stay. One problem is that if the website contributions are irrelevant and uninteresting, but you got here from having a problem with his TTAC contributions, doesn't that kind of contradict itself? Whatever you do has to be done according to Wikipedia rules, which means no original research and no unsupported research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.217.45.186 (talk) 08:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

General Motors is editing this page?
The "advertorial" banner, the "neutrality" banner, and the "cleanup" banner all came from an IP at General Motors. Seriously, dudes, if you didn't like the G8 article, just tell me, don't try to get my Wiki page deleted. Is this what you're using taxpayer bailout money for? I bet Toyota's busy vandalizing a more important page right now. As for it being an "advertisement", I have my own advertisement page at www.jackbaruth.com, and if I'd written this myself I'd have done a little more to defend my BMX race career. I won a fair number of racers and there's a reasonable list of pros who found themselves behind my back wheel at some point. The article makes it sound like I was George Plimpton playing quarterback. Wasn't the case. Viergang (talk) 16:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

How about you address the issues raised? For example, the person who finished 661st, where's their wiki entry, or is that not notable? The fact is this page reads like an advertising board for achievements that are not exactly interesting. Not trying to get your page deleted, just keeping it to standards. So since your notable achievements are in the field of BMX, how about we leave that stuff in? With perhaps some mention of your later wirting career? Lastly, what's an individual poster with a GM IP got to do with anything? Oh yes, It must be a big conspiracy whereby teams of GM personnel track down and punish people whose opinions they dislike. Wasn't even aware of your G8 article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.208.16.221 (talk) 23:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Notability?
His driving career is not worthy of a Wiki page, or there would be about 100,000 extra Wiki articles about everybody who ever raced a car. But in his case WP:BIO is satisfied with WP:ATH (held pro license in ABA and NBL) and WP:CREATIVE (the BMX Basics site and Bicycles Today stuff was around for 17 years. Site's been down for a while now.) No doubt he was a lousy pro. Not everybody in the BMX Riders category was a great pro.

The recent edits don't help the case of anybody who wants to see the page taken down or changed. Make it better, fix the neutrality issue if it exists, make verifiable changes. What would be nice would be to see more pages on BMX people with this much current information. Somebody should take a picture of the Gary Ellis FedEx truck and Stu Thompsen's police cruiser. Just putting "fag" in the middle of an article doesn't fix it.

Is the stuff on Jack's driving "career" worthy of a wiki page? I mean check this: "finishing the year by driving a borrowed RX-8 at the Solo National Championships in Topeka, KS and placing 662nd out of 1,155 entrants." wow. gee (talk) 23:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

This wikipedia entry reads like a press release from J Baruth. From his own report, it would appear that he is a "racer" of extremely modest talent. Why does this page even exist except for reasons of vanity?? Me. Here. Now.

Anonymous edits
The recent edits, added by an anonymous IP that appears to be located in Detroit, have been removed. Reason: the (badly formatted) reference leads to a truncated story in Gunpolicy.org. That story ends after a few sentences. Follow-on links, both to the site itself and to the Associated Press (which actually is a link to Gunpolicy.org) are dead. A g-search for the headline brings up nothing except the same fragments on Gunpolicy.org.

WP:BLP sets very strict standards for material added to biographies of living persons:

"Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the United States, to this policy, and to Wikipedia's three core content policies. We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high quality sources. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing."

The material was not from a reliable, high-quality source. It was poorly sourced and written without the required high degree of sensitivity. The edit was tendentious. "Charged" does not equate "convicted". In any case, we cannot allow a BLP edit that is based on a fragment that leads to nowhere, and that cannot be independently verified. Disclosure: I have a professional interest in Jack Baruth. BsBsBs (talk) 09:57, 22 September 2011 (UTC)