Talk:Jack Kevorkian/Archive 2

Beyond Any Kind of God
There seems to be a debate over whether or not Beyond Any Kind of God that is in glimmerIQs is the same as the one published in the 1960s. I am in touch with someone who was friends with Dr. Kevorkian (you will have to take my word on this) and this person said that they are indeed the same book, only that Beyond Any Kind of God was revised for glimmerIQs. However, someone here on Wikipedia says he has the book and it is not the same as the one in glimmerIQs. The question is whether he is merely considering it "different" just because it was revised in glimmerIQs or whether it is actually a fundamentally different book. InYourFaceNewYorker (talk) 17:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't see the discussion where someone states it's not the same... In any case, if it has the same title, but is heavily revised, I think it can reasonably be listed as "republished, revised" or "new edition anthologized in ...". To settle it, both editions should be compared, while carefully avoiding making any WP:OR claims.  Reviews of the editions, publisher's press releases, or dust jacket notes, would all be helpful in sorting it out.  --Lexein (talk) 08:13, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Original name
I understood that his full birth name was Jacob Murad Kevorkian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.118.20.48 (talk) 19:45, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Where did you read this? InYourFaceNewYorker (talk) 20:03, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Catholic church's response to his death
Does anyone have a better source? Because right now the article is paraphrasing the Detroit free press' paraphrase of a bishop. Since Kevorkian crusaded for the right for his patients to experience a painless death on their own terms, saying that he robbed them of their "right to humane death" is nonsensical. 99.239.19.3 (talk) 18:57, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I think this deserves mentioning: In 1956, he published a journal article, "The Fundus Oculi and the Determination of Death", about his attempt to photograph the eyes of patients at the moment of death. The determination of death is of great importance for military applications. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.119.226.158 (talk) 15:36, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've included this info in the "early life" section. It's not quite early life, but this is where his residency was mentioned. Thanks!Cosainsé (talk) 18:24, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, by the way - I think it is important for all kinds of things, not just for military use - for courts, for emergency room operations, etc. Wonder if the research was picked up by someone else.Cosainsé (talk) 18:27, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Secular Hagiography
There is little to nothing about his philosophy. He was a follower of Friedrich Nietzsche, not the most compassionate or for that matter rational guy. Cf his refusal to do animal testing of his death methods. 91.45.225.110 (talk) 06:55, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sources? The Banner talk 09:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Nationality
He was born in Michigan. Therefore, he was an American citizen and his nationality should be American, not Armenian as the article here states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.45.166.33 (talk) 04:01, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Ե րևանցի talk  04:02, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Infobox murderer
Somebody is adding an infobox murderer (here) to the article. But Kevorkian is not famous for being a murderer. To my opinion it is a negative label that is not neutral.

I have removed it twice now, but I like to know opinions of others if I was right with the removals. The Banner talk 12:22, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

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Temporal arteritis
I do not think that "hardening of the arteries" is a good description of temporal arteritis which is an autoimmune-associated inflammation of the temporal and nearby arteries. Could we just remove the description and link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_arteritis ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.17.198.247 (talk) 14:00, 29 May 2007

No pictures?
? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnY FOUR! (talk • contribs) 03:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Mother’s death
I am flabbergasted that the article does not mention his mother’s role in his crusade. The whole reason I came to the page today was to learn more about it, and was shocked to see there was nothing about it at all. His mother died a slow, painful death from abdominal cancer, which is why he devoted himself to relieving terminally ill patients in the first place. That definitely needs to be in the article; someone with more information should add that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Synetech (talk • contribs) 18:54, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Lead section
I strongly disagree with listing things like musician and artist in the lead because it goes against MOS:BLPLEAD which says "The lead sentence should describe the person as he or she is commonly described in reliable sources. The notable position(s) or role(s) the person held should usually be stated in the opening paragraph. However, avoid overloading the lead paragraph with various sundry roles; instead, emphasize what made the person notable. Incidental and non-notable roles (i.e. activities that are not integral to the person's notability) should usually not be mentioned in the lead paragraph" He is notable for right to die actions and advocacy. His art career has nothing to do with him being notable. JDDJS (talk) 18:44, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As the MOS states: It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply. The Banner talk 19:17, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay. Why would this be an exception? JDDJS (talk) 20:10, 8 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm going to make a bold change. If you want to add something back, please add a reliable source that refers to him as such. Thanks, LK (talk) 02:40, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this stuff doesn't belong in the lead section at all, but a "In private life" section or the like; music and art have nothing whatsoever to do with Kevorkian's notability. See also WP:NOTOBITUARY.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  03:26, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Totally agree with SMcCandlish and JDDJS. The sentence even admits that his artwork and music were only in limited release, hardly something notable. --Khajidha (talk) 15:33, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Considered a hero
WP:WEASEL doesn't apply here, because the source actually supports the statement: "But for many of us who have seen a loved one die a long and painful death before our eyes, he was a hero." But the source seems to be an opinion piece, so I would support taking this out. Kendall-K1 (talk) 18:10, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Codyorb (talk) 18:17, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Medical Aid-In-Dying
I've reverted the change from "physician-assisted suicide" to "Medical Aid-In-Dying". First of all, we have an article on Medical aid in dying, so it's surprising to the reader to have the link go somewhere else. Second, the change doesn't seem appropriate from my reading of the article. "Medical aid in dying" as described at that article does not seem to be what Kevorkian was up to. If you have a reliable source that says this is what he was championing, please cite it here. Kendall-K1 (talk) 21:51, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

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Edit to discuss... maybe I am to harsh.
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Jacob "Jack" Kevorkian (/kɪˈvɔːrkiən/; born Murad Kevorkian, May 26, 1928 – died June 3, 2011), often referred to as “Dr. Death”, was an American pathologist, euthanasiast, right to die activist, and political candidate. Between 1990 and 1998, he assisted at least 130 people in committing suicide. He claimed that most of the people he assisted suffered from terminal illnesses, while others suffered from excruciating pain and or profound incapacity. Kevorkian used devices he built himself. One device intravenously delivered a lethal mix of drugs similar to lethal injection executions; the other was a mask which allowed the patient to inhale carbon monoxide.

Kevorkian was unsuccessfully prosecuted several times before he was convicted of second-degree murder in the September 17, 1998 death of Thomas Youk. Youk was a 52-year-old Detroit, Michigan man who suffered from amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS or Lou Gehrig’s disease). He was likely Kevorkian’s final patient. Due to his condition, however, Youk could not self-administer the mix of drugs himself. Kevorkian, reputedly for the first time, administered them. The event was videotaped. Kevorkian sent the tape to producers of the CBS news program 60 Minutes and he was later interviewed by correspondent Mike Wallace. The interview was aired on November 22, 1998, and used as evidence against him at trial. Kevorkian represented himself with the stated desire to be convicted and have his case heard before the U.S. Supreme Court in order for the issue of assisted suicide to be definitively decided. He was unsuccessful in that effort. Kevorkian was sentenced to 10 to 25 years. He was paroled after serving eight years and two months. He was barred from assisting in suicides, but was allowed to continue his activism.

Kevorkian often cited the Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution as giving people the right to choose how they die.

In 2008, as part of his assisted suicide legalization campaign, Kevorkian ran as an independent candidate for the United States House of Representatives representing Michigan's ninth district. While he lost, he received 8,987 votes, representing about 2.6 percent of the ballot.

Kevorkian died on June 3, 2011 at age 83 of thrombosis at William Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak, Michigan. He had been diagnosed with liver cancer and had suffered for years with hepatitis C.

To my opinion this is far too detailed for the lede. Perhaps some parts van be integrated in the rest of the article. The Banner talk 19:04, 31 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Agreed. In addition to the unnecessary length and detail, this content violates WP:LEAD and WP:LEADCITE. Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

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Several Dead Links
I've found that there are several dead links attached to the citations for this article; https://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/USAToday/access/16341398.html?dids=16341398:16341398&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Aug+08%2C+1996&author=Ron+Franklin%3B+Tom+Curley%3B+Robert+Davis&pub=USA+TODAY+%28pre-1997+Fulltext%29&desc=TWA+probe+could+turn+toward+wreckage+today

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/14/kevorkian.gupta/index.html

These are but two of the dead links, and I propose a revision 73.97.40.6 (talk) 16:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

How did this work?
I'm having a disagreement with another editor who's alone in their opinion but isn't willing to compromise and seems to think they own this article.

what do we do? --71.193.23.104 (talk) 01:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)