Talk:Jacques Rancière

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Maybe it's just me, but this part doesn't make sense:

Joseph Jacotot, a post-Revolutionary philosopher of education who discovered that he could teach things he did not know (for instance, Jacotot taught Flemish students to speak French without speaking any Flemish himself).

That is not an example of someone teaching something he doesn't know. If he'd taught French students how to speak Flemish without knowing Flemish, yes.

Is this just a mistake, or something explained badly?

reply: I think this is a mistake, but a "good" one in the sense that the example of Jacotot teaching Flemish students French is very important in the book. This was how Jacotot discovered his "method" by, as Ranciere puts it, "chance." The problem with the sentence arises because the Flemish student episode is not an example of Jacotot teaching something he didn't himself know (as you pointed out), but it is an example of the Jacotot method. The Jacotot method is not simply a way for people to teach things they don't know, it's just that the idea of people teaching things they don't know is the most dramatic aspect, perhaps, of what the Jacotot method allows. Thus, as far as a revision in the article, I suggest that the sentence be changed altogether to convey all of this. As it is, it oversimplifies to the point of skewing.

reply: In 1818, Jacotot, knowing no Flemish, found himself able to teach French to Flemish students who knew no French. He gave them a bilingual edition of Télémaque. He had the book delivered to the students and asked them, through an interpreter, to learn the French text with the help of the translation. When they had made it through the first half of the book, he had them repeat what they had learned over and over then told them to read through the rest of the book until they could recite it. Without explication, the Flemish students were able to write in French what they thought about Télémaque and they were able to write in French and understand the text as well French students. Jacotot merely acted as a guide, he never directly taught them French. His method of Universal teaching was that of: learning, repeating, imitating, translating, taking apart, and putting back together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.176.235 (talk) 06:59, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

This part also doesn't make sense: "Rancieres' book The 'Ignorant Schoolmaster: Five Lessons in Intellectual Emancipation', published in 1991, has earned its reputation as a must-read for educators, educators-to-be and students who may need emancipation from the ignorant schoolmasters." Whoever wrote this has obviously not read the book in question. For Ranciere the "ignorant" masters are precisely emancipatory (well, to get technical, an emancipatory master could either be ignorant or knowledgeable in the subject being taught, but the central example of an ignorant schoolmaster is one who is ignorant and emancipatory) while the "Old Masters" whose position requires that they be knowledgeable about what they teach are what one needs emancipation from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.115.61.78 (talk) 20:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

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Ignorant Schoolmaster
As mentioned by other editors above, this section makes little sense. It is full of uncited and tendentious material. I've removed some of the more obvious and POV stuff, but there is a lot more to be done SeamusSweeney (talk) 16:14, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

==I think this needs a mjor edit / addition of material. This article is very badly written. The first paragraph gives the impression that he is a structuralist in the tradition of Althusar, when his entire body of work from 1968 onwards is specifically against this position. Ranciere has a massive body of work that has been highly influential in the Francophile world and is increasingly so in the English speaking. Other than saying his contributions to aesthetics are highly regarded it really doesn’t go into any detail about is extensive work on aesthetics Nor does it discuss his “political” work on the police, disensus and democracy I’m new round here so for now I’m just going to insert bit on to the Althusar sentence, as what is there is totally inaccurate. I will work on a much larger edit of the whole thing. FrutiDurruti (talk) 17:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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