Talk:Jan Howard Finder

speedy delete
Every source in this article is a science fiction convention flyer noting that this person attended. Furthermore this person has written only a few minor short stories, and while I assume that he is of most excellent personal character, he is simply not sufficiently notable to meet Wikipedia's standards. I do not believe that any additional sources will fix this problem. Trelane (talk) 18:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That statement is flat-out false. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  13:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedy deleted because the subject is a published author (c. 1981) and is noted among his peers. Further, the simple age of this article would tend to preclude speedy deletion, although an AfD process may succeed. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 18:21, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This person is a figure of global repute within his field; you don't get to be a Guest of Honor at a World Science Fiction Convention by being the guy who always springs for the pizza. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  13:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, instead the Secret (of Masters of Fandom) is, shhhh: bring doughnuts . Just ask Robert "Sugar-High" Heinlein, Isaac "Jelly-Filled" Asimov (sadly rounded by his wares),.... – .Raven (talk) 01:24, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Meta: Prominence with Fannish background
The above discussion seems to have ended nearly two years ago, and I do not propose to revive it here. But it seems possible the issue will revive elsewhere, as people's notability is doubted because some portion of it exists within (say) the Fannish subcommunity... a rich stew from which new creative writers and artists continually arise. Two nearby cases in point: John M. Ford, a teen-aged fan at Indiana University, was 19 when he sold his first story to Analog, and soon thereafter moved to New York to help some newly-started magazine named Asimov's get off the ground; clearly he could never be notable enough to satisfy Wikipedia's strict standards. Except, well,.... And then another Hoosier named Misty Lackey went from being a big fan (and lucky protégée) of Marion Zimmer Bradley to being a wildly successful pro writer who has nursed successful protégés of her own... and tuckerized me twice! (I knew them both in their just-a-fannish years, lived halfway between them and across the border from Wombat's old stomping grounds of Chambana.) So here's my rhetorical question: If fans start with the presumption of non-notability, aren't even more [unmerited] Speedy Deletes in the offing? Less rhetorically, notability among any community comprising the more-than-usually literate and scientifically aware is surely not to be disdained; in this respect the Fannish subcommunity overlaps the academic and technical subcommunities, as the range of professions attending SF conventions (and writing for the field) demonstrates. – .Raven (talk) 06:45, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Death of Jan Howard Finder
This was taken from a note posted on Facebook by Lin Daniel, who was with Jan when he died.


 * jan died at 12:54am on Tuesday, February 25, 2013, in Albany Medical Center Hospital CCU, from renal failure, liver failure, and basically all systems shutting down. Medically, we don't know if it was the cancer finally going rogue, or the new drug jan was on when the old one stopped working, or a combination, or something else entirely.

I have not seen anything in print as yet. There will be an obituary in | Zauberspiegel however I can't personally quote it, because I'm the one tasked with writing it. UrbanTerrorist (talk) 19:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * This link appears valid and confirms the death on February 25, 2013. Sorry to bear such sad news. Quis separabit?  21:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll add that link to the Zauberspiegel obit, which I'll admit was heavily based on my reminiesences of jan. UrbanTerrorist (talk) 05:03, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for the great teamwork on this article. I knew The Wombat personally, and I know that he'd love what you all are doing to clean up this article. Bearian (talk) 17:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * He was one of our own: how could we not exert our best efforts to do right by him, within the ethical boundaries of an editor here? -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:54, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

If it's of any use, here's the obit I wrote for | Zauberspiegel in English and | Horst's translation to Deutsch. Damn. This was the hardest thing I ever had to write. UrbanTerrorist (talk) 23:49, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

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