Talk:Janeane Garofalo/Archive 1

General Talk
Profanitysays:''If you are including some famous person's exact quote, don't censor -- tell us what he actually said, as long as the quote itself is relevant to the article. There's no point in ever turning an instance of "fuck" into "f***" or "the f word"; if you wish to do that you should paraphrase rather than quoting.'' Thats why I made the change.Saul Taylor 20:24, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I find the article to be POV against Garofalo, there are many unsupported statments of opinion. I'm not going to tag it as such, however it smacks of it and I'll get back to it when time allows. Calicocat 00:31, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * The oddest thing is the line "Garofalo's politics are self admittedly to the left", which reminds me of the old Peter Cook routine viz. the Jeremy Thorpe trial, "(Normal Scott is...) a self-confessed player of the pink oboe, a man or woman who by his or her own admission chews pillows". I think a better opener would be 'Garofalo describes her politics as left-wing / Democrat / whatever (link to interview), saying that QUOTE (pithy quote) QUOTE. She is particularly concerned with (most prominent issue) (source), for which she has (founded charity / set up non-profit organisation / become an activist)' would be much better. The Iconophile has the best, most sustained demolition of her career and appeal inside the little number one in square brackets that appears here yes, just there.-Ashley Pomeroy 22:10, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Saying this entry smacks of POV against Garofalo is laughable. JG, if anything, is anti-political correctness. She probably would say we're going too easy on her. ZachsMind 19:42, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Ashley Pomeroy. The article says,"prompted her famously self-loathing acerbic persona to begin to blossom," but no support is given, I think the writer might be doing a little weasel-wordish editorializing. I do not think that is accurate and it's not sourced, no examples are given, it makes her sound rather one dimensional... I don't see her that way at all, quite the opposite in fact... The tone of this piece has a bit of a way to go and if one can't be neutral about her, maybe move on to other topics. See what wikipedia is not for more inforamtion. Janeane has complex views, if you're here to "get her" you're not doing a good service to the spirit of wikipedia. (these comments are not addressed to .-Ashley Pomeroy ...just saying that since these follow hers.) Calicocat 15:36, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Politics vs Comic/Actress
Jtalledo m (rv edits by OldRight to last version by Ricky81682 - Garofalo's politics take a backstage to her success as a non-political comic)

Not anymore. The article should be made current to her activities and notoriety on political issues. - RoyBoy 800 06:11, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed. But that doesn't belong in the lead. We're probably going to remember her more for her non-political comedy than her political efforts. Further details about her political activity are mentioned elsewhere in the article. Air America is even mentioned in the lead - that should be sufficient. At any rate, there's still some debate regarding the placement of her politics in this article, so that's why I removed it. Thanks for the comments. --Jtalledo (talk) 13:26, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I've seen Janeane's films and TV shows, but I know her more as a radio host and political activist. I listen to her radio show and like it very much, so I don't see where her political views should take some kind of back seat and predictions about what we will remember seem rather speculative. That said, the phrase "self-admittedly" sounds weasel-word-ish to me.  I also removed hollywood before actress, in a previous edit.  I could almost hear the voice of Mrs. Betty Bowerscalling her a "nasty hollywood commie poinko anti-amerian, un-christian actress."  I think it would be easy to find good quotes and sourced information demonstrating Janeane's politlcal views, of which she proud and outspoken...also her temporary  blacklisting might given a bit more "ink." ...Lastly (for now), the photo of her is very dated and where's it from?...maybe we can get a new one going...a more recent one.  I'd have no objections to seeing her then and now...Calicocat 15:18, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Again, I think the link to Air America should suffice, but you can definitely add info about her political activism to the lead. I think it is very appropriate to separate the political activist efforts from her comedy work. OldRight added the political tag to her description as a comedian, which is my primary objection. Again, feel free to add more political info to the first paragraph, but I believe it should be separate from her comedy - they're two distinct aspects that define her career. --Jtalledo (talk) 20:45, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Even when she was 'just' a stand up comedian, she wore her political views on her sleeve, so her political interests should never take a backseat. It's as important as her success as a comedic actress. ZachsMind 02:33, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Where to put the dog named 'Doo' ?
In her comedy routine circa 1997, Garofalo admitted to becoming a dog person. She used to make fun of dog people and still views them as crazy. Then one day she was working in Deweyville Utah on location, and she heard whimpering coming from underneath a house. There, she discovered a lost, stray, four-week-old labrador retriever puppy. Naturally she couldn't just leave it there so despite her misgivings she reluctantly realized she was at that moment a dog person. She named the dog 'Doo' after the city where she found him and the Tommy Lee Jones character in her favorite movie Coal Miner's Daughter. "I named it Doo so I can say Doo." Although she calls the dog 'Doo' to other people, when referring to the dog directly she calls it "a little piece of angel food cake" and "a member of the tail waggers' club," "belly boy," "Bay," and anything but the dog's actual name, so the poor thing doesn't even know his own name. Then some unspecified time later she was in a pet shop and came across a sickly looking dog that she couldn't bare to part with. Again, she named the dog Mercer, but more readily refers to it directly as "Stinkdoodle" because in her opinion, it is.

I'm saying all this here in Talk, because I have no idea where I could actually put this in the article itself. Do I put it after the mention of her standup comedy work in the early 1990s but before the article starts mentioning her movies? Do I put it at the end? Does it belong at all? Having once been a reluctant dog owner myself, I feel while not important, it's relevant to describing who she is to mention her reluctant dog-person-ness. I'm also unable to determine whether or not she still has the dogs, or the actual fate of the dogs. Furthermore, this was a comedy routine. It's probable that she didn't make any of it up, but just as Bill Cosby purposefully mixed actual facts with blatant exagerations for purposes of comedy, Garofalo was certainly not under oath at any time during her standup routines.

So any input in this area would be appreciated. How might it best be worded, should it be worded, and where would we put it in the already established article? Thanks.

ZachsMind 14:11, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I have an idea of how to do it, but I'd like a reference prior to inserting it into the article. - RoyBoy 800 05:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Garofalo described her relationship with her dogs in her standup routine, circa mid-1900s. See Wikiquotes. ZachsMind 19:10, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Drive through wedding in Vegas links
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=janeane+garofalo+married+in+Vegas+drive+through

http://www.anecdotage.com/index.php?aid=13300

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0169712/bio

Need I go on?

--Jason Gastrich 06:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Tattoo
I think she has a tattoo with the word Think. Is this notable enough to deserve a mention? Eiler7 17:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you source that? got a photo? --8bitJake 18:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Here is a web page which mentions it. She also made, in that interview, the claim that the Bush administration was not democratically elected which may be worth mentioning too. Eiler7 16:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Why is she an american atheist
I am simply curious to know and to be informed on what her own underlying internal specific reasons are for being an american atheist as is shown on the bottom of the article. Cuyahoga County, Cleveland, Ohio, 2006-06-30 at 12:04 am


 * "He [God] just seems very man-made to me. There are so many theories, and not everyone can be right. It's human nature to need a religious crutch, and I don't begrudge anyone that. I just don't need one." - Showbiz, 1995-08.
 * The bible is "a marvelous work of fiction" - Feel this book, page 209.
 * Via . -- Jeandré, 2006-06-30t18:37z


 * That is load of crap. She is NOT an atheist.  She is a Scientologist, just like the nutballs as Tom Cruise and John Travolta.  No, it is not Christianity, but sure as heck does not make her a atheist.--Getaway 16:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd like a source to Getaway's comment. I did some searching, and all I found was that she went easy  on a Scientology project aimed at 911 victims.  That doesn't necessarily make her a scientologist.--Eddie Parker 17:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * See the link referenced by Jeandré above. It has SEVERAL references to her stating, verbally and in writing, that she is an atheist, or agnostic at the least. Slavlin 19:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Filmography
Looks like the filmography is getting too big. Any suggestions on trimming it or eliminating the section? --Jtalledo (talk) 01:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

question on new edit
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Can some of you help me to verify my additions to Garofalo's background. I'm not trying to vandalize or fabricate anything about her. It's known by her fans and followers, what's cool is Janeane Garofalo is both an actress and political commentator. I always thought she grew up in New Jersey and went to college in Rhode Island, then Garofalo's father was in the oil business that required him to move around every few years. Texas and southern California is no doubt a large part of the oil industry, but don't know Garofalo can claim American Indian in her, Garofalo is an "ethnic" last name, then she is white and about the "Indian features", may indicate more Irish or Italian than the otherwise "native" American genes in her family tree. + 207.200.116.73 13:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC) Last name sounds Greek to me, similar to Garofallou. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.203.109 (talk) 04:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

"Garofalo" is an Italian name. She is mostly Italian & Irish, but she has also mentioned Portuguese relatives.Brian Westley (talk) 02:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Additional Comments
I believe someone should make a comment about Janeane's large eye-brows which she had whilst on the west-wing. Am I the only person here who was mystified by their size? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.54.76 (talk • contribs) 10:14, 3 September 2006
 * They were large, but I don't think they were necesarily worthy of comment except possibly in the trivia section of the character article. I thought it was quite clear that her appearance, including the untamed eyebrows and running shoes paired with a pantsuit were part of the image she was portraying in Lou. -- Melissa Della 01:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Picture?
Why is there no pix of this actor?Chivista 18:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't she in a Sopranos episode?
The one where Christopher goes to new york to pitch his script and he sees janeane on the set of some movie shoot... I think so. i would check and see exactly the episode etc. but im too lazy. just writing this is enough a burden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inanimous (talk • contribs) 06:40, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

A mess
Why is this a B-class article? It seems like a nasty mess to me. It's not well written and more than one controversial section is entirely unreferenced in violation of WP:BLP. —Wknight94 (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd agree. Heck, the Personal Life section is outrageously scanty.  One would think, for instance, that her high profile fling with Ben Stiller (referenced and sourced in Stiller's own article) would rate a mention.   RGTraynor  09:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)