Talk:Jesse Marcel

Notes on continuing improvements
Feoffer (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Find govt maps/photos by Marcel
 * RS on Marcel HBO interview, "UFO's Are Real"
 * Was Marcel involved in Mogul?✅
 * Middle name is Antoine per in genealogy, decedents, and fringe, but need RS on it.✅

Where to cover Marcel's 1978-85 statements
We could cover those statements under the Military Career heading or later in the article. has argued for former while  prefers the latter. I'm easy. Feoffer (talk) 21:28, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * From my experience as a reader and editor, chronological order helps reading comprehension, as natural questions get answered on the go (for example: when did Marcel get promoted from major to lt. colonel), but I'll defer to Rjjiii. This is just about a minor point of content organization and is non-substantive. —Alalch E. 22:04, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This would not be the first thing I have been wrong about, and there's no special status for doing a GA review. I can see the benefits of making the organization more chronological. I would be okay with either location. My concern is that a reader who skims the Marcel article for Roswell (what he's most known for) should be able to get the whole picture without reading every section. If it's placed later in the article, it'll be more clear with a heading that includes "Roswell" somehow in the wording. Additionally, I think the "Roswell balloon crash investigation" would be better shortened to just "Roswell investigation", as most readers may not think of it as a balloon. The article's body text can, of course, make clear that the majority viewpoint is that it was a balloon. Rjjiii (talk) 02:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * With humor, I will confess that I "like the way I did it", lol.  I realize that's not a very unique situation, a person liking their own proposal :).  But I think the win-win here is to have a Roswell incident investigation section as part of Military Career and then Renewed interest as a subsection of that.   This gives us the advantages of a section break for the time jump, will still making the entire story part of the Roswell section.  Feoffer (talk) 06:11, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It could be a win-win. About one detail: I don't like it when h2 content is divided between the h2 top content and one (as opposed to multiple) h3, it looks like a layout error (as if the section levels are uneven). So I've addressed it in the following way: diff. I guess "Investigation" could also be "Crash investigation" or "Baloon crash investigation", to be a little more descriptive.—Alalch E. 07:44, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That works for me!   It's funny, I realize I have a unconscious prejudice against having two headers in a row, as if that's somehow a bad thing to do, which it isn't!   I can live with whatever gets of to GA, so if it's fine with Rjjiii it's fine by me :)  Feoffer (talk) 22:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That is fine with me. Also, I notice that you've moved a few sentences out into "Personal Life" which makes sense. Everything currently in that section is pre-WW2, so it may make more chronological sense between "Early life" and "Military career". Rjjiii (talk) 01:40, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me! done. Feoffer (talk) 03:19, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Jesse Marcel, Jr. refutes the Mogul claim
This needs to be clear in the article. The Mogul claim shouldn't be left hanging, and seeming like Wikipedia endorses that view.

He and his father both experienced the memory foil. And both could not find any electronic components in the Roswell debris. Nothing like the memory foil existed in 1947. So it wasn't from a Mogul balloon. There are many witnesses to the memory foil:
 * https://www.sunrisepage.com/roswell/pdf/Summary_of_Witnesses_Claims_for_a_Shape_Memory_Roswell_Foil.pdf
 * https://weedwiki.fandom.com/wiki/User:Timeshifter/Sandbox40

See: Page 54 of Jesse Marcel, Jr. book. Where he describes what he and his father experienced with the memory foil. "when he bent or folded a piece of the foil, it would return to its original shape when released ... took a sledge hammer ... could not make a dent in it or deform it in any way". Page 55: "Had it been a weather or a Mogul balloon, however, there would have been electronic components". See page 53 where the father and son looked through debris and could find no electronic components.

The book is currently referenced 10 times in this Wikipedia article.

See also page 65. Jesse Marcel and his commanding officer, Colonel Blanchard, both knew it wasn't a balloon. --Timeshifter (talk) 16:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)