Talk:Jhelum

General Asif Nawaz, Chief of Army Staff, belongs to small village name Chakri in Jhelum City. He is even buried in Chakri.

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what to do cleanup ?

The lists on this page are just advertisements. Can somebody from Jhelum please edit these lists and remove non notable enteries. --Webkami 09:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have cleaned up the links section by personally visiting and removing nonsense, not working and advert websites. Please do not mess it up again. --Webkami 16:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I am the real one who is from Jhelum, if I can find out about you where are you in Jhelum, than I will remove you, you fucken asshole,. i wil find out who is running this page without any authentic knowledge, you must be from lowest cast in our language we says " Kammi" i can assure you,  i will am working on it, i will smoke you out.

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Items missing citations
I intend to remove all items that have no citations. Every fact must be cited or it will go. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 18:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was no consensus for move -- Aervanath (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Jhelum → Jhelum (City) — Articles on other cities of Pakistan are only with city name, So this article should also be only with city name, Thanks. --Brainlara73 (talk) 18:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It makes logical sense, but the curretn Jhelum page needs to become Jhelum (disambiguation) in order to make this sensibly possible. I can see no objection to your being bold with that in any case and deploying otheruses with correct parameters on the pages it will then be referred to by.  Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you mean Jhelum (city) → Jhelum, amirite? Jafeluv (talk) 14:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Kind of looks that way!  Fiddle Faddle (talk) 21:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Whatever it is. simply i wana Jhelum (City) moved to Jhelum due to above mentioned reason. Fiddle Faddle is also right, first Jhelum should be moved to Jhelum (disambiguation), then Jhelum (City) can be moved to Jhelum. For this we require Administrator's help. Brainlara73 (talk contribs) 19:45, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The move to the disambiguation page is now done. By me.  It could have been by you :)  I have updated the requested moves page to ask an admin to simply finish the task I am unable to perform.

Move?

 * Is page Jhelum to be the disambig page, or the city, or what? Currently it is a redirect to Jhelum (disambiguation). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Jhelum → Jhelum (City) —(Discuss)— Articles on other cities of Pakistan are only with city name, So this article should also be only with city name, Thanks. --Brainlara73 (talk) 18:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * But what they meant was Jhelum (City) → Jhelum. 199.125.109.88 (talk) 13:25, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, the misunderstanding is "fixed". The move ought to be non controversial.  I have moved the original Jhelum to Jhelum (disambiguation) in preparation for the necessary admin assistance to move Jhelum (city) to Jhelum over the redirect.  Please would an admin assist with the final step?  Had I been an admin I would have solved 100% of this myself.  Fiddle Faddle (talk) 18:44, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * But, unlike other cities in Pakistan, its name Jhelum is best known as the name of a big river. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Can the move of Jhelum to Jhelum (disambiguation) be reverted until this is sorted out, please? 199.125.109.102 (talk) 02:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The move of Jhelum to Jhelum (disambiguation) is a valid move whatever the outcome of the Jhelum (city) move. It has no effect on anything at all, and the pages that ity disambiguates to have the otheruses template deployed on them (with the exception of the Hong Kong one for now).  It is perfectly acceptable to have the (disambiguation) pseudo-suffix in a disambig page name.  Fiddle Faddle (talk) 15:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a very confused move request.
 * 1) The term Jhelum is ambiguous and requires disambiguation.
 * 2) The request to move Jhelum (city) to Jhelum implies that the city is the primary topic, a claim which requires some evidence.
 * 3) The statement that Articles on other cities of Pakistan are only with city name, So this article should also be only with city name is faulty logic. First, is there an actual naming convention specifically applicable to Pakistani cities or geography? I don't see any, and without a specific guide, the general Naming conventions (geographic names) applies, and in particular, the section on disambiguation is applicable. Second, if you browse Category:Settlements in Pakistan and its subcategories, it is apparent that a variety of disambiguation schemes are in use for Pakistani settlements. Sometimes, "Pakistan" is appended with a comma. Sometimes the district or province name is appended with a comma. Sometimes "Pakistan" or the district or province name is appended as a parenthetical term. In a few cases, the type of settlement is used as the disambiguating term; e.g., Lehri (town), Pasni City, Bin Qasim Town, Saddar Town, Alizai (village), Aba Khel Village. I'm not suggesting that these articles couldn't be better named, but it is apparent that there is at present little consistency in naming conventions for Pakistani settlements with regards to forms for disambiguation (or at least there is no clear guidance).
 * 4) Without any evidence supporting a claim that the city is the primary topic, the base name should remain as the disambiguation page. Jhelum (city) might perhaps be moved to use some other form for disambiguation.
 * 5) If in the end the city is not moved to Jhelum, then Jhelum (disambiguation) should be moved back as it would be a malplaced disambiguation page. older ≠ wiser 14:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the concerns of others. The Jhelum River is an important river in Pakistan while Jhelum (city) is only 35th largest city in the country by some reckonings. What evidence is there that the city is the primary topic (read WP:PRIMARYTOPIC to see what this entails). —  AjaxSmack   01:01, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Reliable sources in this article
I have serious concerns that http://apnihope.com/jhelumhospitals.html is not a reliable source. This means that none of the hospitals relying in this reference are actually cited. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 11:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I see my removal of the reference was removed. I removed it because the reference is not to a reliable source.  I challenge that alleged reference and will remove it once more.  If you feel it is a reliable source then state your reasons here rather than simply reverting my actions.  We work on consensus here, and I gave full reasons in my edit summary.
 * Much of this article is based upon half facts. the entire article requires a massive cleanup.  Fiddle Faddle (talk) 13:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I note the newly added reference: Fauji Foundation Hospital, GT Road . The thing is, that meets verifiability, but it does not meet notability.  I am in the UK phone book.  I am verifiable.  I am not notable.  It's far better than the other reference, but needs more work I fear.  Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * By the way, that link implies that there are no other hospitals in the phone book on Jhelum. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Every thing is not available on internet, so what can i do for it? There are many things which i have added in this article but they are not available on internet, that information either i have read it in some book that is also not available on internet, or i have viewed it my self with my eyes and i m witness of that. thats what it is. Brainlara73 (talk) 23:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There are two different questions here. First the items seen with your own eyes:  However true and real they are, without citations they are original research, and cannot be added.  While this sounds strange, this is an encyclopaedia, and must have citations from reliable sources.  The fact that one sees a car crash, as a silly example, does not mean it can be entered here unless reliable sources report it.  That means that it is notable and verifiable
 * The things "not on the internet" are much easier. You may cite books, newspapers, TV news bulletins, even newsletters (though newsletters may themselves not be sufficient).  To help you there are templates.  Look at cite book, cite news and cite journal as examples.  If a book has an ISBN so much the better.  As long as the item is a reliable source then it may, and should, be cited.  Fiddle Faddle (talk) 18:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Extreme Bias by Sikh editors
The page is comical. It is nothing more than a joke. Why are the terms like 'wild mountain tribes' used for the people?

Maj. Gen. Sharif Nasir Shaheed is also a notable person of khewra Distt Jhelm & this great man should also be included persons of distt jhelum because he did a lot of work in Afghan war & embrassed shahadat in C-130 crash on aug 17 1988. Muhammad Suleman Khalid caste Lilla Ansari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.36.13.80 (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Important sites around Jhelum city
Salaam, I have watched the Wiki articles with interest for many years but never been an active poster due to the information being capable of use and abuse, however with the recent proliferation of articles I feel now is the time for me to also contribute. I was born in the city over 50 years ago and having been a regular visitor am fully aware of its history and background.

With reference to the article on Jhelum there is a paragraph depicting important landmarks sites with photographs uploaded by TALHA depicting the Melangi supermarket next to the Mangla dam and The Akram Shaeed library, I feel this is not relevant and free advertising. It is a small minor shop and not an important or historic landmark. I have tried to remove it but it has been uploaded again, it is cheap advertising, but it also litters the article with non relevant matters and stops valid contributions. I am annoyed that my contributions to the article were deleted without explanantion or discussion but posted elsewhere as the editors own work. If the editor feels they need help in writing articles in grammatically correct English I am perfectly willing to asisst but stealing other peoples work is not neccesary.

My request is for an editor to remove this particular photograph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Melange_Super,_Jhelum_Cantt.jpg as it deflects from the contents that are valid being placed into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ch ifzaal mehdi (talk • contribs) 01:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your concern, and welcome to wikipedia. First i would like to explain the creation of new page Sport in Jhelum. This is not any type of stealing and here on wikipedia no one owns any article, its an encyclopedia where everyone is free to add. This was according to wikipedia's rule of Splitting the article. If any article size become too large it should be divided according to the rules. you can see procedure here.
 * Secondly you were thinking that this picture is advertisement. This ain't any advertisement but simply a picture of Jhelum in the same way as picture of Shabir Plaza is there in the article. --TalhaDiscuss  &#169; 10:28, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Talha for your response. You know I have followed and appreciated your photography online since 2006/8. The article within which the photograph has been placed is about important landmarks around Jhelum. As nice as the photograph on its own may be I still cant understand how you justify that this one in particular contributes to the article. I am just trying to improve the article but as you feel so strongly about it I leave that decison to you. But ask that you consider the following posters coments in 2009 who also suggested that the whole article needs a good clean up -vis- ''The thing is, that meets verifiability, but it does not meet notability. I am in the UK phone book. I am verifiable. I am not notable. It needs more work I fear. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)''

Swiftly moving on to another way I feel the article can be improved. That is to remove the excessive reliance an articles from The Imperial Gazetteer of India, Jhelum District 1907. Since 1982 I have had a hardback copy of this voluminous work and have studied it thouroughly. This was compiled over a century ago by the British and is not reflective of contemporary Jhelum yet the Wikipedia article does not counter this viewpoint leaving any reader with the belief that the situation is still very much the same.

Although you have placed it in the historical section of the article it is duplicated as it was written and by not providing the contemporary viewpoint it mis-informs, for example The Janjuas Rajputs and Jats, who now hold the Salt Range and its northern plateau respectively and secondly The Gakhars appear to represent an early wave of conquerors from the west, and who still inhabit a large tract in the east of the district; while the Awans, who now cluster in the western plain Very many people read through Wikipedia for research, information, travel etc. It is only fitting that a contemporary balanced view should be presented. This is 21st century Pakistan but tribal affinities and ignorance can very easily create offence. It is important to bear in mind that this volume was written by the British for the British who did not thouroughly understand the dynamics of communities which have changed. If one cant present the contemporary view then the historical view needs to be handled with accuracy and care.

Another example is the article is awaiting sensitive input and photographs of the cleanliness and bands of beggars in the city, as well as the infamous "Gagghur" maala. Should all of us really be presenting a tourist manual with effectively censure still in place?? --Ch ifzaal mehdi (talk) 13:35, 16 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ch ifzaal mehdi (talk contribs) 11:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * If you think that we should minimize the reliance of the article on The Imperial Gazetteer of India just go ahead if you have more better reliable sources. This is just an encyclopedia which need reliable sources. --TalhaDiscuss  &#169; 18:20, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

@Ch ifzaal mehdi:

The clans mentioned here literally represent most of the written history of Jhelum. You want your "contemporary balanced views" to replace the actual history of the place? Baburnama describes Gakkhars and Janjuas fighting for the control of Jhelum. Later on, history tells that Rohtas Fort was constructed to keep both Hamayun out of India and to fight the local Gakkhars, who put up a fierce resistance against Sher Shah Suri. But of course you want that history to be left out because you're a typical kammi kamin whose ancestors were irrelevant to history.

Vitasta was ealiest name of Jhelum
Jhelum's earliest name was Vitasta.

Encyclopaedia of ancient Indian geography By Subodh Kapoor-page-3

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=43Fzt-G_-XYC&pg=PA3&dq=great+abhiras&hl=en&ei=3ymQTeabHImmcKyBvY0K&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA#

Vitasta was ealiest name of Jhelum
Jhelum's earliest name was Vitasta.

Encyclopaedia of ancient Indian geography By Subodh Kapoor-page-3

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=43Fzt-G_-XYC&pg=PA3&dq=great+abhiras&hl=en&ei=3ymQTeabHImmcKyBvY0K&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA#

Abisares the Abhira king
Hazara (country), the Abisares of the Greeks;it forms the north-western district of the Peshawar division.It was conquered by Arjuna(Mahabharata,Sabha-Parva,Ch.27;JASD.(1852)p.234).But Dr. Stein identifies the kingdom of Abhisara with the tract of the lower and middle hills between the Vitasta(Jhelum) and Chadrabhaga(Chenab) including the state of Rajapuri(Rajauri) in Kasmira.

Its Spellings in English
I want to discuss its spellings (of title) in english. It is spelled "Jhelum" of which "Jh" is to be pronunced as "Jh" in "Jhang" (an other city in Western Punjab) because "Jh" is pronounced "جه".

But "Jhelum" is always pronounced "Jehlam" that is " جيهلم" in Urdu and Punjabi (Shahmukhi), but usually written as "جهيلم". My Pronunciation claim is proved in the articlte using International Phonetic Alphabets for English.

Then why in Pakistan it is written "Jhelum"?? It seems that some online software is used to return its spellings in english (software, i mean a software in which we insert any word in local language/script and it return converting in the other language i.e. English.

We can easily understand its pronunciation as being Punjabis but what about other non-Punjabis? They will just confuse in "Jh's" pronunciation in "Jhang" and "Jhelum".

Not only for making other non-Punjabis understand but also for our own Word's correction, we should effort and research on it.

Thank you very much! Tarvinder Singh (talk) 03:49, 22 November 2011 (UTC).

"Jehlum" not "Jhelum"
Please correct the spellings

Jehlum Ejaz Ahmed Mughal (talk) 18:05, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Languages.
Changed the most commonly spoken language to Potwari. The traditional dialect, or Majhi is in a few areas only, and usually by migrants from Gujrat etc. Potwari is by far the most commonly spoken language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.94.142.144 (talk) 10:40, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism or valid edits
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Correction in spelling
The correct spellings are "Jehlum" Ejaz Ahmed Mughal (talk) 18:06, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

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