Talk:Joe Buck

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I think the sentence should probably read: "Many considered this hypocritical because of Buck's commercials with the fictional Leon." But can we get a citation? Who is "many"? Bbpen 04:58, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I consider it relevant to mention that Leon and Randy Moss are very similar. I also added a link at the bottom of the article citing Woody Paige, an analyst at ESPN. -WikiTony

OK, so: "At least one sports columnist called this hypocritical because of Buck's commercials with the fictional Leon." And the link you added does not point to the relevant article. Can you fix? (I've removed the sentence pending a working citation.) Bbpen 16:53, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Changed 'many' to some, added a citation detailing the entire incident in question. this is an important aspect of the subject and needs to be included in the article to prevent slant. WikiTony 02:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Is there citation and/or quotes out there for Buck's White Sox "bias"? I didn't watch all the games and don't remember the commentary, but I do know that the White Sox really were lucky in those games. Not in a "they didn't earn it" sense, but when you win a game on a last-chance play where a slider barely went into the dirt and the catcher didn't react to it, that's luck. --67.62.109.178 18:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I personally removed the comments concerning Joe Buck's alleged White Sox bias. Who ever added those comments doesn't have any actual quotes or links to back up this statement. Thus, I would regard that as a "point-of-view" addition rather than anything factual. TMC1982 May 15, 2006 (UTC)

Can we have just one Wikipedia article without a "Controversy" section? The guy has won 6 Emmys, which are only briefly mentioned, but a third of the article was about some stupid controversy, justified by comments at some forum?

I removed a sentence that wasn't doing any work in the article, and clearly showed a negative bias. Also, the content immediately after his mother's quote doesn't cite its sources. Jfarr11 04:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Quotes
Does the quote that's currently in the article now even remotely noteworthy? I mean, its not a legendary call by any means. Its just him saying that the Cards won the World Series. Its not even among his most famous quotes.--Seventy-one 20:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Needs source

 * Joe Buck is regularly voted as one of the worse, if not the worst, broadcaster for both MLB and NFL by both fans and the media. In fact, for the past three years, he has "won" the worst NFL announcer award from Sports Illustrated.

This needs a source. Christopher Parham (talk) 02:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And yet he keeps his job and people continue to watch the games. Apparently Buck's presence isn't all that offensive (although I like Dick Stockton better). Wahkeenah 00:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Controveries??
First of all, there is no proof that Joe Buck even knew that said tradition even exists. In fact his comment suggests that he didn't know. You can't comment on a tradition you do not know about so unless you personally ask him (Joe), saying the he "did not tell the audiance" is unnecessary.

Secondly, making an off the cuff remark (about Tank Johnson) on a pregame show does not constitute a controversy. That paragraph is pointless and I'm removing it again. I need a very compelling reason to leave in the article. Lets discuss it.--BoyoJonesJr 15:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I was merely trying to show how when Buck makes an "off the cuff" remark it displays how much dislike there is for the man simply because he infuses his beliefs in each and every broadcast. There are many more examples then this of course (such as his dislike of Curb Your Enthusiasm)... if you simply google the man's name you will see much dislike for him within the first page of results... He is viewed as very smarmy by many viewers but I guess that is opinion.  No big loss if it is not in.

I changed it to say he "appeared to be unaware of", its less pov and speculative--BoyoJonesJr 15:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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Enemies abound
Too many people seem to take out their dislike of his style on his page. Should we temporarily protect it during World Series and Super Bowls that he announces? Just a thought. –TashTish 22:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I completely support this. The constant vandalism (up to 7 or 8 times per day) is getting old.Thedjb 17:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * -- I support this as well. The vandalism is not newsworthy and seems to be driven by personal vendettas

It's a valid pursuit to engage in dialogue regarding Buck's legendary and blatantly obvious bias towards specific sports teams, and the negative repurcussions that tail the teams on the losing end of Joe's biased stick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.210.37 (talk) 02:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

-- its not valid if the argument is emotionally driven or generally inflammatory. Your response to the question in itself shows that you are not current able to separate your emotions from the editing process

The argument is valid as a large amount of people dislike him. It is constantly mentioned during the playoffs on sports stations and networks. Sports Announcers are just as likely to be viewed in favorable or unfavorable (i.e., approval polls or Q-ratings) as other sports figures and entertainers. It should be noted especially on a broadcaster who works on a network that has maintained exclusive rights to broadcast and constantly reuse the same people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmoyle314 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Tired of Baseball
I added a small bit to the controversy section explaining the recent quip by Buck that he doesn't enjoy calling the baseball games like he used to. I added citations too. Feel free to expand. Thanks! 207.15.63.4 (talk) 14:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)bxtch37

This is fine. But who is the asshat who added that personal information section about him liking the bachelerotte pulled from that same baseball interview? That needs to be beleted...Wikipedia isn't a trivia site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.81.184 (talk) 06:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Delete
Is it customary to delete stuff without explanation on the talk page? Someone deleted my citation without any notice. 24.28.70.129 (talk) 20:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * According to the talk page history, you have never edited it.  Qb  | your 2 cents  01:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Joe's Image
I have uploaded a new image of Joe. Feedback is welcome. –BuickCenturyDriver 23:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It is undoubtedly a technically better picture. Unfortunately it is clearly a replaceable copyrighted image, as you note on the fair use rationale on for the image. Replaceable fair use images can never be used in Wikipedia articles, per our fair use policy: "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created". I've reverted the image. Sorry, Gwernol 00:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh well, at least I tried. –BuickCenturyDriver 05:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Jack Buck's Frick Award
I won't editorialize about Joe Buck's merits as a sportscaster vis-à-vis his father, but I have taken the liberty of removing the reference to Jack Buck's Ford C. Frick award in the opening paragraph. This strikes me as irrelevant to his son's biography, and potentially misleading to the reader; the way the sentence was worded, it would be easy to make the erroneous assumption that it's Joe who received the award. Mdumas43073 (talk) 23:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Partisanship?
The Major League Baseball on Fox section concluded with a reference (moved to the "Controversy" section) to Buck's alleged partisanship, citing complaints in Philly media during the 2008 World Series. While this may be true as far as it goes, has there ever been a prominent network announcer who hasn't, at some point during his career, been accused by disgruntled local fans and/or media of being biased against "their" team? The comment strikes this editor as gratuitous piling-on. Mdumas43073 (talk) 23:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Being uncited and probably one particular Phillies' fan's personal gripe, it is now struck out. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 00:16, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

A color announcer should have facts about both teams. I am very disappointed with the coverage of the Giants, it seemed that Joe has no idea about the players on team and after listening to a few inning I have to find a radio and switch to the local KNBR coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.224.138.102 (talk) 22:02, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

removed uncited claim
I removed the claim that he was criticized for his call of Tyree's catch in the Super Bowl. There was no citation, and I watched the video (3:30) of that call and didn't see any problem. Given line I deleted didn't explain what the problem was or cite something that did, I felt justified in removing it. If someone can find a good source then maybe the line could stay, but I don't see the need for it.Silpion (talk) 22:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like someone's personal opinion. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 22:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That link didn't work, but I found it on youtube. Joe's call is a little understated, but it's not like he called it incomplete or something and had to reverse himself. The alleged "criticism" has to do with Joe's style, I think, and that's basically irrelevant. He called the play competently, which is what he's paid to do. Q.E.D. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 22:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, here's Curt Gowdy calling the "Immaculate Reception". I would say he's every bit as matter-of-fact as Buck, until the ball is intercepted and Harris heads for the end zone. The Manning-Tyree play was merely a catch, not a touchdown. And the beginning of each play is very similar, so it makes for a good comparison spanning 35 years. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 23:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's back up again, and it's blatantly biased and without citation. I'm removing it as it appears to be personal and vindictive, and it really colors the entirety of the page as if the majority of fans and "news outlets." Just the phrase "His notoriously unemotional call... drew much fire" is incredibly biased. Wikipedia is not a place for individuals to air out one individual's personal opinions like that, especially without any citation whatsoever.--74.235.63.50 (talk) 22:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

"Controversy"???
Someone tried (again) to add as a "controversy", the low-key way in which Buck called the famous catch in the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. Did he call the play incompetently? Did he get the names of the players wrong? No, he simply called it in a subdued way. That's not a "controversy", that's an editorial comment about his broadcasting style. Also, keep in mind this is TV, not radio. TV announcers sometimes interpose themselves into the action when it's not necessary. On radio, it is necessary, because the broadcaster has to be the eyes of the audience. But consider Vin Scully's call of Kirk Gibson's homer in 1988: "She is gone!" and then he went silent for a minute or so and let the pictures tell the story. I suppose that same critic would complain that Scully wasn't jabbering as Gibson rounded the bases. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can find multiple source criticizing Vin Scully's style, than that would be a viable piece of information to include in his page. I have yet to see much (if any), but have seen plenty on Buck's. Heck, look at how Joe Morgan has a whole section about a website inspired by his often criticized announcing. 163.231.6.90 (talk) 14:08, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I think it's overwhelmingly clear that Joe Buck shows a complete lack of interest in the games he is watching, clearly more interested in plugging as many advertisements as possible. You should go watch the video for this year's superbowl. Going into the last significant play he says something along the lines of "if they want to mount a comeback, they need to do it now." No mention of "do or die" or any sort of thing... more of a "lets get this over with." type tone. On the last significant play of the game he talks about contact on the play, contact that pretty clearly wasnt there for anyone who actually watched the play, and then he just kind of works himself towards plugging the budweiser cam. Even when he announces that the packers have won the superbowl, he only managed to muster enough fake excitement for about 1/3rd of the sentence. I understand this is subjective, but clearly your stance is subjective too. Im not saying that it should be in the article, but I think that the controversy section is embarrassingly slim for such an unliked person. There is a reason nearly no one likes joe buck, some of these things should maybe make it into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.48.7 (talk) 14:28, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Just to add my two cents in, criticism of Joe Buck's style came not only after the Tyree catch...but other events as well. Most recently the 2011 All-Star Game, specifically his lack of any sort of emotion while calling Jose Bautista's sliding catch. I think if enough reliable sources can be found, it would be viable to include a "Criticism" section that includes a discussion of how other figures in the sports world view his style and include references to how he has said he doesn't enjoy watching sports. To me a prominent sports announcer saying he's bored of watching sports is a VERY important piece of information. Akin to if a prominent politician announced he was growing bored of being President or if an award-winning actor announced he was growing bored of acting. 163.231.6.69 (talk) 14:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Joe Bucks apparent lack of interest in baseball games should be in the article or at least mention of the scores of fans who view him that way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.73 (talk) 14:35, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What's your source for that claim? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Criticism
Controversy I think is the wrong word. There should be a criticism section. Plenty to cite from. Tons of this stuff.

I was going to updated the controversy section save for the a lock. Joe Buck is hated in Philadelphia for the same reason people complain about his football work. He does not seem to care. The section should include:

Philadelphia hates Joe Buck:

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/What-the-Buck.html

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/the-Buck-Stops-Here.html

http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2011/10/joe_buck_is_the_wrong_buck_for.html

http://www.the700level.com/2009/01/joe-buck-answers-the-call.html

http://drunkphilsfans.blogspot.com/2011/06/confession-im-legal-nerd.html

Lack of sports interest/knowledge and bad anouncer:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Joe-Buck-should-be-removed-from-MLB-broadcasts-y?urn=mlb-91638

http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2008/07/joe-buck-admits-he-rarely-watches.html

http://awfulannouncing.com/2011-articles/september/joe-buck-called-nelson-cruzs-walk-off-grand-slam-as-only-joe-buck-could.html

http://deadspin.com/5673181/silencing-joe-buck-and-tim-mccarver-a-simple-tech-solution

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Joe-Buck-had-no-idea-the-Cowboys-Lions-game-was-?urn=nfl-wp8425

Bias:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/Do-Joe-Buck-and-Tim-McCarver-Hate-the-Yankees-66947112.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/599619-new-york-yankees-foxs-joe-buck-sticks-it-to-a-rod

http://cjb319.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/joe-buck-please-shut-up/

http://www.the700level.com/2009/01/joe-buck-answers-the-call.html

I Hate Joe Buck and other negative reactions:

http://www.the700level.com/pages/landing?blockID=540968

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/16/artie-lange-rips-joe-buck_n_216163.html

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2011/9/8/2412936/monday-night-football-to-stay-on-espn-for-eight-more-years

http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/could-joe-buck-be-banned-doing-ads-18707

http://www.ihatejoebuck.com/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-HATE-JOE-BUCK/179342288936 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=58828373448 http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-Joe-Buck-Fan-Club/272701844892 http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-Joe-Buck/177495655623729 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110321145344AAyRiOG http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110806143758AA92Vkt http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110107194951AAsd6Re http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080702141030AApmV4r http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071021195329AAhA5gT http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?86979-Do-you-hate-Joe-Buck


 * A lot of those so-called sources are fan blogs and the like. If Fox didn't like Joe they would hire somebody else. Every announcer has his critics. So what? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:24, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Everyone one of the sets above includes links from networks and major websites. Some are blogs yeah, but blogs such as the 700 level are legit sports websites in for their teams. The links above include NBC, HuffPo, Yahoo Sports, Deadspin, and Bleacher Report. He is reviled in Philadelphia. Clearly this is an anti-Joe Buck thing if NBC is reporting on it.


 * Plus even his defenders admit that"There is a rather large legion of sports fans who believe Buck is awful.

Read more: http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/mac-engel/2011/10/tuesday-morning-drive-through-where-is-all-the-hate-for-joe-buck-coming-from.html#ixzz1amKfEKzK

http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/mac-engel/2011/10/tuesday-morning-drive-through-where-is-all-the-hate-for-joe-buck-coming-from.html


 * It is not wikipedia's place to be trying to advocate against a public figure. If you don't like him, call Fox Sports and gripe. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:24, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Article Protection?
Is there anyway to get this article protected from the immature acting children who keep vandalizing it.? SChaos1701 (talk)

there is a reason they do it to this page. he is the reason people watch games with the mute button on. Just go to any sport fan's facebook page or sports message board during a game that he announces and you will have your citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.234.71 (talk) 00:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

If a legit criticism section existed more than likely no vandelism would have occured. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Formerphlex (talk • contribs) 17:45, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I listen to him all the time, on both football and baseball. The fact that a few bloggers don't, is really of no relevance. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:23, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 October 2013
Please fix the capitalization of "world series" to "World Series".

Chipach (talk) 00:24, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The paragraph has been removed entirely on grounds of violating Biographies of living persons, as it was biographical material about a living person that was entirely negative in tone and unsourced. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:23, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2014
Any chance of adding some biographical info to this guy? Lots of common knowledge personal info out there, but nothing here. Seems relevant for a person of his stature.

DOB: 25 April 1969, St. Petersburg, Florida. Graduated from Indiana University in 1991 with a B.A. in English and a minor in telecommunications. Divorced from Ann Archambault (23 January 1993 - 2011) 2 children, Natalie and Trudy. (Source, among other places: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0118374/bio) Currently engaged to NFL Network reporter and former Bronco cheerleader Michelle Beisner (Source, among other places: http://www.ibtimes.com/who-michelle-beisner-joe-buck-dating-nfl-network-reporter-former-denver-broncos-cheerleader-photos . Stated his "fiancée is from Denver" on the 28 January 2014 edition of Late Night with Jimmy Fallon.)

Wilmac291 (talk) 09:05, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

"Controversies"
The Controversies section lists several very straightforward criticisms of the guy, but nothing is remotely controversial. Please rename the section (or unlock the article).

possible BLP violation
Is there a source for his birthdate? If not, it needs to be removed immediately per WP::BLP. Either way, the first reference (in the infobox) should be flagged as a pay site. 72.63.122.243 (talk) 01:05, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2017
Please add: 2002-2004, 2006  Voted National Sportscaster of the Year by National Sportscasters and Sportswriters Association (NSSA)  https://nationalsportsmedia.org/awards/national-awards Nsmaexecdir (talk) 14:35, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I didn't list the years, but that information is readily available from the linked source. Rivertorch   FIRE WATER   07:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)