Talk:Johnny Depp/Archive 1

Biography
Johnny Depp may have been in Jacksonville, FL (I'm not sure). But he was mainly raised in Miramar, FL.

My sources include:

http://www.myspace.com/official_johnny_depp (Note the biography and his High School, considering he moved there in 1970 when he was 7 or so.)

http://www.johnnydeppfan.com/interviews/gq.htm

http://www.johnnydeppfan.com/interviews/tvguide.htm

http://features.yahoo.com/webceleb/depp/

http://www.johnnydeppnow.com/

http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Celebrities/Depp-Johnny-13891.html

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Good article
I think this should be a good article candidate.User:alfredosolis I agree. You even pointed out that Depp means idiot in German, which I think is funny. It's a strange name for someone who is also a star in Germany.

and the drug-fueled gonzo-journalist Hunter S. Thompson in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

I'm pretty sure the character is Raoul Duke, and the book was written by Hunter S. Thompson, but I didn't want to change it without comparing notes.


 * The same mistake is made when refrencing the Rum Diaries.

-- Evilio 19:57, 15/09/06


 * Yes, that seems right to me and is consistent with other articles. I fixed it. --- bethenco 18:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

He began smoking at age 12 and has not stopped to this day, claiming smoking, drinking and sleeping are the three best things he does.

uh, is this one real? I doubt it, but it seems possible.---Mihoshi 03:08, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I highly doubt it and with no evidence given by a suspect user I reverted it.--The Grza 07:11, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

It is true, I can say it as a Depphead. (User:Vivi Sparrow)

Please cite the source instead of simply insisting that it's true.--The Grza July 5, 2005 01:45 (UTC)

Raoul duke is hunter thompson. Your splitting hairs! It makes it more easy for the lay person to understand to say he played Hunter Thompson. Or say Alias hunter thompson.

Tattoos
Removing metion of tattoos as it would seem that is not at all certain. I initially removed them here. Some claims they were all removed and another claims  he has 11. Unless someone can show that he in fact currently has tattoos, then I'll keep removing mention them. Cburnett 19:30, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC) he does have tattoos you can see them when he wears non sleeved shirts. and his tattoo DOES say WINO forever, its a fact

Movies
Some movies are missing, refer to the IMDB page.

Yes, I removed some to make it a selected Filmography. It's still a bit long, but all of them were relatively significant so I left it a bit extensive. Listing every bit part he held is going overboard. --The Grza 00:52, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

one of the best films that johnny has ever done has got to be benny and joon because it proves that you don't need speech to get a good film! from a depphead :-)

he does indeed have 11 tatoos, including some on his legs, chest, and arms

May I ask what is the point of choosing to display selected filmography only? I think it's important to show that person's full body of work, and not just list the obvious. Nikki88

Removal
I just caught the fact that a large section of the page was removed on May 17th and I put it all back in. I assume this was just vandalism gone under the radar, but if not, would someone fill me in on the reasoning?--The Grza 07:33, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

He had the lead role in Arizona Dream. THht's not on the list.

Ancestry
I heard that Johnny Depp is of Lebanese descent. Does anybody know his exact ancestry? Regards, --Gramaic | Talk 05:11, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It's pretty well known that he's part-Cherokee. I read in an article that he's also of Irish and Gertman descent.
 * I just looked at his family tree here and here and I can't see any Irish name at all, only English/British so I removed that if anyone has other info on the Irish please post the source here. There is apparently a lot of info on his ancestry in the book "Johnny Depp, A Kind of Illusion" . Arniep 22:30, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I once read that the Depp name is French, so he may have French ancestry as well. Gerkinstock 9 October 2005


 * Depp is NOT a French name. 85.138.1.71 14:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually it is- many American Depps were originally French Deppes and Dieppes. Arniep 00:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

According to genealogy.com, a widely respected genealogy site,
 * "Johnny Depp's ancestry, much like his film career and famous good looks, is something of an exotic mix - French on his father's side and Cherokee Indian on his mother's".
 * See http://genealogy.com/famousfolks/jdepp/ for more info.  MissTree 08:13, 22 March 2006

Johnny Depp is reported to have said that he's 1/3 of German ancestry: here. Does anybody know more about that? MikeZ 12:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

On his infamous interview on Inside the Actor's Studio, the only ethnicities he states are German, Irish and Cherokee. He's never mentioned French ancestry, nor has anybody in his family. This is why I have deleted the "French huguenot from Virginia" comment because I don't think it qualifies as being accurate, plus it came from an unauthorized bio book, which are hardly ever right about details. And as a longtime Depphead myself, French ancestry is not a popular belief by fans either. As for having Lebanese extract, that's for sure not true, where did you hear that? Have you seen his parents? I think when it comes to editing actual pages, we should go by fact and what that person has publicly stated, rather than what someone read in an unauthorized book; so please refrain from the edit war. Nikki88 7:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Nikki88, I reverted that change the first time it was made because it was a deletion of apparently cited text, without an edit summary, by an anonymous user. All of those are typical indications of vandalism.  Thanks for using the edit summary the second time you added it! -- Jim Douglas (talk)  (contribs)  01:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing what I needed to do to my attention, Jim. I wasn't signed in during my edits, I apologize. Nikki88 10:47, 6 Nov. 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand the deep interest of Americans for ancestry: it's probably because they are a mixed people. However, don't you think it's enough to say that Depp is European and Cherokee? This would be absolutely right and could end every controversy! Val

The Genealogy.com site is very incomplete on Johnny Depp's ancestry. He is my fifth cousin once removed, and no, I don't know him. His grandmother and my father were a year apart in age and grew up about 20 miles from each other in South Central Kentucky - Barren and Warren counties.

I don't think he really knows much about his ancestry - I have traced our common lines, which are English and African. His ninth great-grandparents were Thomas Key, a member of the Virginia House of Burgesses and Key's African slave. Their illegitimate daughter, Elizabeth Key, is the topic of a book I'm working on. Her struggle for freedom and her life is fascinating. I would love to share this information with him if he is interested. She married William Grinstead - Mr. Depp's grandmother, Viola Mattie Grinstead is Elizabeth and William's sixth great-granddaughter. She, like my great-great grandmother Naomi Grinstead, are part of this line that went from Virginia to South Central Kentucky.

The Depp line is definitely French and not German. But there is no doubt that Mr. Depp is bi-racial, both through his Cherokee line and through his African line. Although he is not of Melungeon descent, it is a similar blend of European and African ancestry. The difference is that Elizabeth Key married white, as did her descendants. The family essentially "bleached" and most of the descendants don't even know of their "one drop of blood." The Melungeons were more of a separate society within themselves. Some people believe they are Portugese, Indian, Turkish or even the Lost Tribe of Israel. But many scholars today have determined the Melungeons are African through DNA testing. http://www.melungeons.com/articles/jan2003.htm

I just say all this to clarify because Mr. Depp is not Melungeon to my knowledge. And he is definitely not Melungeon through his Grinstead line.

Martha Mothra@woh.rr.com www.myspace.com/elizabethkey Martha Hardcastle Guthrie 17:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Batman
"Some hardcore Batman fans consider him a good candidate for the next sequel to Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins, currently titled Batman 2 or Batman: The Killing Joke." A good candidate for what? For the title role?


 * That should be removed. It's referring to the Joker, but Depp's name hasn't come up at all in official casting discussions. No-one's has, really.

And "The Killing Joke" for the title is pure speculation. --Marcg106 03:04, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Gun that killed Hunter Thompson...

 * "Depp reportedly owns the gun and ammunition that was used in the suicide of Hunter S. Thompson"

this allegation is pretty heavy, and i think it needs a reference for support. just adding the word "reportedly" doesn't cut it (who reported it?). doing a google search for "johnny depp provided gun hunter thompson" returns this article on wikipedia first, and then a bunch of articles that make no mention of this particular assertion. i removed it for now, but am totally open for it's later addition provided we have some clarification... Nic.stage 17:26, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

someone re-inserted the unsourced claim that depp owns the gun that killed thompson. i chose to remove it instead of adding "allegedly", because i can't find any information supporting this claim anywhere. that is a serious claim to make and i believe it needs attribution. please clarify why it should be in the article if you feel it should be. --Nic.stage 01:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Depp and Kerouac
Depp is a great fan of the writer Jack Kerouac. He reads a section from 'Visions of Cody' on the tribute CD 'Kicks, Joy, Darkness'. He writes one of the blurbs for Douglas Brinkley's edited Kerouac journals (Windblown World).He paid, I believe, $11,000 for Kerouac's raincoat.

Nominations
Are two entire lists of nominations necessary? Personally, I prefer the second of the two in format, but I'm unsure of policy regarding nominations, so I'm leaving it but drawing attention to it. The Zaniak 12:25, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

woahhhhh theres some pretty weird comments in here EB!!! does he really smoke and drink and whatnot?!?!?! what a loser. but o well he's still hott. lol bye! <3 urckle

Depp's daughter
For the avoidance of doubt, since this is being regularly changed:

The Internet Movie Database, johnnydepp.com, USAToday, The Observer and Sky TV all give Depp's daughter's name as Lily-Rose rather than LilyRose or Lilyrose.

Please can contributors cite sources when asserting the name to be something different and thus avoid having the edit reverted. Many thanks. ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 21:12, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

The article stated that his great grandmother was full cherokee, making him 1/4 native american. However, this is blatantly impossible. Instead, it makes him 1/8th native american. If his grandmother, not great grandmother was full cherokee, then that would be correct.

Judging from Johnny's tattoo on the left side of his chest, it visibly reads "Lily-Rose". So therefore with the hyphen is more than likely the correct spelling. Nikki88 12:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Depp's son
The article lists his son's name as "Jack John Christopher Depp III" How can Depp's son be a "the third" if his name is not IDENTICAL to his father and grandfather which do not have a Jack in their name? If he is called Jack to differentiate him, then perhaps that portion of the name should be enclosed in quotes?

Jack is his nickname. His name is John Depp, but Depp calls him Jack.

His birth name is Jack John Christopher Depp III - continuing in the family tradition. Johnny's father is John Christopher, and Johnny himself is John Christopher II, making his son the third. Johnny added the name Jack to his name, and they call him Jack. I was never aware of the fact that you couldn't add a name to the beginning of a person's title. Nikki88 12:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

1/4 cherokee does not add up
The article stated that his great grandmother was full cherokee, making him 1/4 native american. However, this is blatantly impossible. Instead, it makes him 1/8th native american. If his grandmother, not great grandmother was full cherokee, then that would be correct. I corrected it.
 * His father is also part cherokee so 1/4 is about right. Arniep 23:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean "his father is also part cherokee"? of course his father is part cherokee that is where he gets it from. That's why he is as well. I guess, since his father is part cherokee you can make him whatever percentage cherokee that you want? This is about percentages. These are technical terms, "about right" is not good enough to put in an exact percentage. Think about it. It is incredibly simple to deduce! His great grandmother was cherokee making her children (Johnny depp's grandparents on his dads' side) 1/2 cherokee, their children (Depp's father) 1/4 cherokee, and Johnny Depp 1/8th cherokee. My grandmother was norwegian so I'm 1/4 norwegian, if she had been my great grandmother I would be 1/8th norwegian (by your standard for Depp, we are all double our actual ethnicities in terms of composition) All I'm saying is that this is simple math, and you should not write something like that which makes the whole article look bad, because anyone who has passed 4th grade level math will say "That doesn't add up right!"
 * Sorry you need to re-read it. His great grandmother through his mother was Cherokee (1/8 of his inheritance) and his father is also part Cherokee. Arniep 14:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, but it doesn't make him 1/4. His dad could be 1/20th. Just say partial instead of picking an exact figure which you can't back up. Doesn't that make good sense? Partial, is a very vague term.


 * Not to mention there's many "stars" whose agents just tell them to claim they have "native American" blood because it makes them jazzy and trendy in today's multiculturaloid world, see the (in)famous case of Shania Twain. So, by know, who knows. I doubt he'll submit himself to a simple mitochondrial DNA test to know for sure. Yeah, the story is kinda weird. You can only find it weird when people claim to not really konw where their own family names come from, and what exact race their parents grandparents were. As said, claiming it, is great source of media coverage, who can konws if it's honest or not, particularly with all the maths that just don't had up, every magazine claims a different story - one thing's for sure, they can't all be true.

I felt the need to say something about your accusations. You stated that agents often tell their clients to claim a certain ethnicity for popular cultural reasons. Well, not in Johnny's case. Johnny first got his "Indian head" tattoo at the age of 17, honoring his family and heritage. So that goes back before he was a big "star". Also, he's stated in several interviews over the years of his memory of seeing his maternal grandmother's (who would be 1/2 Native) toenails, he said she never cut them, and they reminded him of cashews. It was a Native tradition or custom. All this dates when he was a child, not as a famous adult. Second of all, I doubt when it comes to his father's Native heritage, they could do such deep research to configure such a small percentage as 1/20... the family comes from Kentucky; most Americans, including myself, are too diverse and mixed in their heritage to have exact percentages, it's just not a possible thing to do when you come from the US. As for him being 1/4 or 1/8, like I said, who can really tell; maybe he's 1/6! All you need to know is that he's a significant amount of Native American, Cherokee to be exact, or maybe even a bit of Shawnee, Choctaw, or Navajo. You never know. Nikki88 01:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Platoon
Shouldn't his early career description mention he was in Platoon? It's quite a major film from 1986, seems one could slip it somewhere between Elm Street and Cry Baby. I know he didn't have a big role, but it could get a mention. Pipedreambomb 06:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've added it in.--SGGH 09:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

This article
Needs major, major help. I formatted it into the proper style, but the "Career" section is a mess, the early life is too long and needs to be re-shaped, and the personal life still reads like trivia. Editors spent too much time wondering if Depp was 1/4 Cherokee, and not enough checking out the rest of the article and bringing it to at least an average standard. Also, citations much needed all over the place. Mad Jack 16:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, the "Awards" section - I propose either junking it all together (maybe mentioning the major awards in the text of the article) or moving it to a separate page. Mad Jack 16:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

His main picture should not be a character from a movie, it should be as he actually is outside of his roles. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 03:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Tiscali
Tiscali is a semi-reliable kind of source, but OK. The question is, what does it prove? I couldn't find anything on the first page about Depp being Cherokee or Native American. The source would actually have to call Depp "Cherokee" or "Native American", not his great-grandmother, for the cat to be on there Mad Jack 05:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Infobox
The infobox to which you changed it tells us absolutely nothing about Mr. Depp. I imagine the official actor infobox I used is set out that way for a reason, and for the same reason simple biography infoboxes are not used for any other actor; and, it could just be me being soft, but I don't understand any of the reasons you give against it, bar the picture size one, about which I can do nothing, unfortunately. --82.42.124.247 11:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it was used in Lindsay Lohan, which is a featured article, and used in plenty others. I simply do not want another link to the IMDB. One is bad enough. That site, beside being grossly inaccurate, has little to offer. Height is unencyclopedic and is never mention in articles. Picture size is too small. All in all - just a worse infobox. The infobox I used has the exact same info - birth place/date, along with smaller text for relevant roles, which is good, because in his case there are more and we can include them. Unless there's some kind of policy regarding this infobox's uses, it's pointless and should not be here. Mad Jack 15:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * There was no infobox before I put one there, and when I decided to, I checked Wikipedia's stance on this. There are standard templates used for all different articles, and, rather sensibly I think, I chose the actor one. If you think your's is better, then by all means submit it to the infobox Wikiproject and try and get it approved, but until then, as one of the points of Wikipedia is to collect information in a standardised manner, I believe the infobox I used is correct --82.42.124.247 15:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This is not "my" infobox. It's a standard biographical infobox. Mad Jack 16:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * This is getting boring now; I'm not going to repeat myself, safe to say an biography infobox is not an actor infobox. There's a different one for a reason. --82.42.124.247 20:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, I don't know who "approved" this infobox but height information has been deleted from articles with a vengeance everywhere I've seen. There is no reason on earth to put in another IMDB link. If you really don't like the one that's up now - even thought it's the one up at Featured Article Lindsay Lohan - you can change it to a blander one like the one over at Kevin Spacey. But I will be deleting the IMDB link there and the height info until someone can tell me why not. Mad Jack 20:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I was never trying to be awkward with this, I just assumed my placing the infobox which, incidentally, I found here; Template:Infobox_actor, on actors' articles I came across would do nothing but help. I agree that there is no need for another IMDB link, however, I think height should stay. It's one of only a couple of facts you couldn't find be reading the first couple of sentences of the article. --82.42.124.247 22:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, heck, I just changed that part on the infobox actor template - I removed the offending bits from the template itself! (Thanks for the link - I would have done so earlier but was unable to find it). I'll see if I can further change it later - no time right now. As for height - I've seen it removed from entries practically every time it was added. I'd venture it's because height technically "changes", and is otherwise an unencyclopedic bit, but I am not sure. Mad Jack 23:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Ironic?
Why, if the person your character is inspired from, then plays your father, is it considered ironic? Because it's not ironic! So why does the article say that. --Joeblack982 04:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Infobox pic
After reading the policy, the guidelines, and discussions about the use of film images in bios, I've concluded that this article is indeed violating what we should be doing by using an image from Pirates. Please read those discussions before arguing your point here, 'cause it's probably already been covered. CovenantD 20:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Reading the links you provided, it is clear to me that you are wrong and the main image should not be removed. Dionyseus 21:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Would you explain your rationale? CovenantD 21:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Did you read the entire section in the second link you provided? Dionyseus 21:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. I found this part very compelling - Example: In the section on screen roles, it would be fair to show a screenshot of an actress in a movie, because it would be impossible to obtain a free-image of her in that movie. But as the "main image", the point of the image is to illustrate the actress, and it would not be impossible to get a free image showing the actress. So it's quite possible that an article would have several justified fair use images showing an actress, but no "main image". CovenantD 23:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * And read the responses. There's no policy that says fair use images cannot be used as main images.  Dionyseus 08:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Stop insinuating that I haven't read the articles and discussions that I linked. That's pretty offensive and patronizing. CovenantD 08:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sweeny Todd
The link in the filmography goes to the page for the character. Could someone change it so it goes to the film? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.189.189 (talk • contribs).
 * Done. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  04:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Images
I've checked with an admin whose judgement I trust, and he confirmed by interpretation that use of these images violates Wikipedia fair use policy. "Promo photos of a movie are not acceptable save to illustrate an article on that movie" As such, I'm removing them. CovenantD 17:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

This article needs pictures Johnny Depp is probably the most famous actor in America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.235.194 (talk • contribs)


 * Then some proper fair use images need to be found. CovenantD 01:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

If you are so smart you find them.I mean I think every picture is not fair use.

Let's put this page under protection
There have been about a dozen women putting their names into the article, saying things like they've dated, dating or even had a marriage proposal made by Johnny Depp. Yeah I know he's a ladies man, but still most of the times it's a load of bull. DaffyDuck619

False wife's names
Ladies, PLEASE stop putting your name as Johnny Depp's spouse. It is not entertaining. Frecklegirl 11:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I second that. Nikki88 1:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

This goes to all you boys out there too Zerocannon 05:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry revisited
There appears to be some dispute about whether this reference should remain in the article:
 * The book "Johnny Depp: A Kind of Illusion" states that the Depp family originated with a French huguenot Pierre Deppe who settled in Virginia.

I'm inviting User talk:Nikki88 and User talk:Arniep to discuss the reference here. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  00:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's OK we sorted it out- Nikki doesn't mind it being included. Arniep 00:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! I hate to see two good-faith editors reverting each other. -- Jim Douglas (talk)  (contribs)  00:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I've spoken to Arniep about the editing and I'm alright with leaving the statement. But just for the heck of it, I'll take up on Jim's offer to further get my point across. Things that are stated here are taken as fact, and there's very little chance of tracing an American family back to one man. I emphasize American family because a lot of times Americans, (especially from places like Kentucky), are too diverse and mixed to determine such a thing. Also, just because surnames are similar in spelling, doesn't mean they come from the same countries. Of course it's possible that the French huguenot from Virginia statement is true, but it seems purely whimsical to me. So I think it's safe to keep it down to what we know for sure, and what that person has openly stated in several interviews, as I think that best fits Wikipedia's standards; and what is fact is German, Irish and Cherokee. But if it's fit to include the statement, then I'm not at liberty to continue removing it, and that's fine, no big deal. Nikki88 00:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I also think the "Depp"/French thing should be included. In fact, I included it a long time ago and I didn't realize it has since been removed. Depp is clearly more "things" than Irish, German and Cherokee. Probably a lot of English ancestry from some of his family surnames, just not exotic enough to mention. Mad Jack 00:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you say "there's very little chance of tracing an American family back to one man" - yes people of the same surname aren't necessarily all descended from the same person, but in Depps case detailed research has been done by many members of the Depp family that shows this. Arniep 01:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

As long as everyone is in agreement that the text we have is neutral and verifiable, then we're good. We can probably add "ISBN 1905287046" in there somewhere as well. Also, would it be a good or bad idea to note that the book is an unauthorized biography? -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  01:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, has Depp specifically disputed the Huguenot theory, or as he just said he doesn't know his family background? -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  01:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No he's never mentioned it. Bear in mind the link goes back to 1700 so it's unlikely he knew about it. Arniep 01:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure, it's fine by me. Although, I think Jim has the right idea of adding that it came from an unauthorized book, if so add as you see fit. Then maybe everyone will be happy? :) Nikki88 01:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

on his myspace site, he says that he is native american. so i think that is what he considers himself.

Image Needed?
I'm quite surprized there isn't a picture for this actor yet. Would someone mind adding one that doesn't violate copyright? Tomodachigai 15:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There have been a few different images used recently, all of which tie to one movie or another. It would be nice if someone would find an image of Depp where he isn't in character. salamurai 04:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Iconic
I was not the first to add this word, it was there before, but CovenantD felt the need to remove it while reverting unnecessary statements made by 81.156.161.89 (contribs). However, I do see it fit to keep in the article; Johnny Depp is iconic, all the way from his quirky film roles, to his style and life. He's been considered an "iconic" actor for the past decade. I see no reason not to have the word in his introduction. Please do explain why you feel it should be removed. Nikki88 05:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Considered by whom? Nothing in the article provides a source for such a description. CovenantD 18:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Is he not considered "iconic" to you? Quoted from the dictionary, iconic; of, pertaining to, or characteristic of an icon. He's not yet an icon, but himself and choice of characters have become iconic; such roles as Captain Jack Sparrow and Edward Scissorhands. As for sources, when it comes to adding a small statement as this, all you can provide are numerous articles. As a long-time fan of Depp, I can personally tell you I've seen the word associated with his name too many times to count. Here's a few 'sources' if it helps:   I don't see why you feel the need to continue removing the word. Nikki88 02:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * What either of us think about it is irrelevant - that would qualify as OR and POV, both of which are strictly frowned upon. Now that a source has been supplied (only the first, The Gate, actually refers to him personally as iconic), that objection to including it is covered. That said, I don't think the lead section is the right place for it. Perhaps somewhere in the "Career" section? CovenantD 03:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind where it goes, I could go without it, I just felt the need to oppose as I saw no reason in removing it. The links I provided, aside from the first link, the third does state iconic (first paragraph, second sentence). The second link I added to support my comment of his chosen character roles being iconic. Adding it to the "Career" section would be fine of course, although, an idea will have to be thought of to place it in that section. Having it remain in the introduction seems to flow a little more smoothly and doesn't place as much stress on the subject. But perhaps under the circumstance of adding the new source, it would make more sense in the Career section; I understand Wikipedia's rules on having reliable sources to support statements, but having to show a reference for one little word in the first sentence of his article will look silly, as it's not something you see often. Either way, please do with it what you see fit. Nikki88 03:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

"Drugs"
I wonder if there needs to be a Wikipedia-wide policy or even project to clean up inappropriate uses of words such as "drugs" and "addiction". Inaccurate use of such words contributes much to the general confusion about these concepts. In this article, for example, I made it explicit that Depp was accused of allowing illegal drugs to be sold (by any reasonable definition, caffeine is a drug, and I imagine caffeinated drinks were being sold at Depp's club) and exactly what one of his customers ended up overdosing on. The conflation of everything psychoactive that happens to be illegal in a given place under the name of "drugs" can lead readers to draw inappropriate inferences. (If people can die from overdosing on "drugs", and marijuana is a "drug", then people can die from overdosing on marijuana, right? If "drugs" are addictive, and LSD is a drug, then it must be addictive, right? (In case the reader doesn't know, marijuana overdose is nearly impossible and at least a lot harder to do than alcohol overdose, and LSD is not addictive in any meaningful sense of the word.)) While it is not up to Wikipedia to promote any particular political POV, it is important in such a touchy issue not to even imply anything that is in fact not true. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 145.116.236.110 (talk) 00:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC).

Possible Uncredited Appearance
In the video for the 1989 Martika single, "Toy Soldiers", the singer's boyfriend is shown a few times and looks remarkably like Depp, but because of the vague shots used, this is hard to confirm.

There is no record of Johnny appearing in this video and Johnny has never been linked to "Martika" Idzy 02:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)Idzy

Filmography table
What is wrong with the filmography table? None of the column and row borders are consistent. Filmforlife 19:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Lily-Rose
Do you think the Lily-Rose health scare should be added to the article? It's been confirmed that his daughter was struck with e-coli, which in turn occured her liver to almost shutdown. Lily-Rose almost lost her life in this whole mess, and I think it's an important event that should be added to the "Personal Life" section.

Rumors
Should we keep all the 'rumor' parts of this article whether confirmed or not? It doesn't seem very encyclopaedic. - Ctbolt 00:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Johnny was born in Owensboro, Kentucky, not Lousville, Kentucky. Could someone please fix that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.11.53 (talk) 23:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

'bicep' should be replaced with 'biceps' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.219.208 (talk) 05:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC) Johnny Wears his belt buckle slightly to the left and he has gotten divorced like 5 times but that doesn't make him not hot does it???!!!

REPLACE JOHNNY DEPP'S PICTURE WITH THIS ONE:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/FUN/3802~Johnny-Depp-Rolling-Stone-Cover-Posters.jpg

K THX LOL
 * No can do. That's a non-free magazine cover. —Angr 23:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Depp and Burton have workied together on 5, not 6 movies. They are "Tim Burton's Corpse Bride", "Ed Wood", "Edward Scissorhands", "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" and "Sleepy Hollow."
 * According to the article, the sixth is the upcoming Sweeney Todd. —Angr 16:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't know why Depp should mean "hungry", as I can't find that in either [4] or [5], and as native German I've got to say that I never heard of the meaning "hungry" for "Depp". Maybe someone can double-check and correct (read: delete) that. TIA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.234.221.11 (talk) 03:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree - "Depp" simply translates to "fool" or "moron", definitely not "hungry". -- Stefan

what are the people waiting for?could anyone change it? depp never was hungry in german.greetings from germany —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.56.233.65 (talk) 22:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Band
A quite interesting fact is that Johnny Depp and Flea(from RHCP) were playing in a band at the club where River Phoenix died the same night. Johnny Depp also owned the club and it was called The Viper Room.
 * Tis true, Depp saw him just before he went, asked him if he was alright. SGGH speak! 00:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That's true, but I've never heard of him asking River Phoenix if he was alright. Sources!!!! [ BlackPearl14 00:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC) ]

i would like to find out more about him smoking, drinking, and taking drugs, at around the age of 12. could someone help me out plz??!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.186.70.211 (talk) 07:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Johnny Depp in Doraemon
I was reading through a few articles on animenewsnetwork.com and happened across this:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-06-16/johnny-depp-to-guest-voice-on-doraemon-pirates-special

I think the text in the link explains it all. Anyway, where would this go? Filmography? And should it also be in the article about Jack Sparrow, seeing as the character he'll be portraying is based on the character (of Jack Sparrow)?

ShippoIsHip 12:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It should be under his biography somewhere, but not under Filmography. And it should not be in the article about Captain Jack Sparrow, either, because it's not completely about Jack, though based on him. It wouldn't have any place in Jack's article. :) Hope that helps. - Elizabeth [ BlackPearl14 06:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC) ]

The Picture
Someone has removed the Johnny Depp picture in the bio template. I might add that they did not post a note, and we know who you are. I would advise that you put it back, or post a new one that is legal. If not, I'll have to post a new legal one myself. Oh dear, the way people's minds work.... -Elizabeth [ BlackPearl14 10:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC) ]

-> heeey..please administrator put this pictury Johnnydepp.jpg its better..please!!!

-> REPLACE IT WITH THIS!! http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2006/09/johnny_depp_01.jpg

Anyone can edit wikipedia, but that image can't be used because it is copyrighted. Jackaranga 15:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem being that they messed up the original picture that was on that is NOW currently on. Please check next time! -Elizabeth [ BlackPearl14 00:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC) ]

Johnny Depp Hates America
"America is dumb, it's like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive,"

"My daughter is four, my boy is one. I'd like them to see America as a toy, a broken toy. Investigate it a little, check it out, get this feeling and then get out,"

I think the reaction to Depp's views on America is interesting when compared to non-American actors who share the same view. I don't agree with him, but I think he is more qualified to make such a statement (although being more condescending than constructive.) I think he keeps true to his beliefs by choosing to live abroad living up to the less-than-astute old saying "if you don't like America then leave."

good for JD. regardless, this page is for discussion of the article, not for venting your close-minded opinions --24.46.127.252 04:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Jackaranga 14:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't it a tad hypocritical to say that's a close-minded opinion and agree with the statement is like a dumb puppy in the same sentence? Sean 00:40, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Il kick the living SHIT out of johnny depp if i ever meet him for badmouthing this great land. that or ill let my marine brother do it. french piece of shit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.72.59 (talk) 16:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It's attitudes like that that justify his feeling. Anyone that resonds to calm, rational opinions with anger rather than a thought out counter-opinion weakens their arguement greatly. Is America great becuase people in it will react violently when the nature of their country is questioned? Or is it's greatness the fact that he's able to hold such an opinion that would, in other places, result in a quick execution? 71.53.73.90 22:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Please don't badmouth the article's subject. It's his opinion, and you are openly stating "Nationalism." Which is good to a certain extent, but it will be treated as vandalism. BlackPearl14 21:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how to do a wiki citation on the CNN article, which is needed, but here it is:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/03/depp.us.reax.reut/

IvyGold (talk) 04:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * We know he said that, but still, it’s not needed. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 19:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Sleepy Hollow date is wrong
Sleep Hollow was released in 1999, not 1996 as quoted in the second paragraph. It might be worth changing for accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.12.13 (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

series of comments without titles
whoever posted that pic of him is an idiot. i had never seen a bad pic of johnny depp until I saw this one. His eyes are closed! nice job, brainiac. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.119.33.77 (talk) 22:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Somebody needs to post a decent pic of him. His eyes are half closed. What about that shot of him clean-shaven in the tux?!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.13.127 (talk) 20:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi I thought you might be intersted to know that he has been in "The Buried Secret of M. Night Shyamalan ". so if anybody has enough info about it just mention it....frankie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.97.194.146 (talk) 15:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone should propabaly add "Slow Burn" and "21 Jump Street" to his filmography —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.6.89 (talk) 20:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Jonny Depp is an Anti-american fool, and user "71.53.73.90" being angry dosen't weaken the argument at all; and nobody is suggesting an "execution," deporation to an anti-american liberal country like the UK or France will do. Travis Cleveland (talk) 22:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

What about this quote? "Taken in context, what I was saying was that, compared to Europe, America is a very young country and we are still growing as a nation. It is a shame that the metaphor I used was taken so radically out of context and slung about irresponsibly by the news media. There was no anti-American sentiment. In fact, it was just the opposite. I am an American. I love my country and have great hopes for it. It is for this reason that I speak candidly and sometimes critically about it. I have benefited greatly from the freedom that exists in my country and for this I am eternally grateful." That's it! Betty kerner (talk) 21:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

That's just damage control, and everybody knows it. Funny how you don't want his own words to bite him in the ass when he's the one who caused the problem. And if you think there's something wrong with taking offense to someone calling your country 'dumb', feel free to leave.

Note re: forum discussions
Please note at the top of the page, a header which advises that an article's talk page is for discussing the article, not a general forum to talk about the person. If anyone has a question about this, please read What Wikipedia is not which says in part "bear in mind that talk pages exist for the purpose of discussing how to improve articles; they are not mere general discussion pages about the subject of the article." Discussions on his statement are better suited for other venues. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for putting that up for others to see, though I did respond, so I'm partly to blame :) BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 01:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Minor Edits
I made a few grammatical and syntax-related changes for readability. No major changes were made, for anyone who is annoyed by that. Cami Solomon 04:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Nominations in infobox awards fields
I've read that Template:Infobox actor's awards fields are not intended for nominations, but are only for wins. I would suggest removing the nominations from the infobox. --Melty girl 00:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha, someone came along and removed them. --Melty girl 01:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Death??!
Death

Depp died on September 21 after his private jet crashed in the mountains of Colorado. The wreckage has yet to be found. Little is known about the crash other than a fire was reported in the cockpit minutes before radio contact was lost.

He's not dead, is he?

If it's a joke, it's a really bad one.

Deleted it. Nowhere else on the internet says he's dead Ultre 23:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Right. How could he die on September 21 when Sweeney Todd's coming out in December? Check your sources! I agree, it's a really bad joke ;D BlackPearl14 00:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Although he clearly isn't dead, its perfectly possible for him to be dead with Sweeney Todd coming out in December. Filming would have ended well before the release date —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.8.118.177 (talk) 04:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as the Sweeney Todd release that I mentioned, they were finishing filming at the end of September. So I don't get your point :)

BlackPearl14 22:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)omg who ever wrote this is full of crap hes not dead

Spleen?
No, i don't think so somehow. rv vandalism somebody please. Rick-Levitt Talk Contribs 11:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Please specify what you're talking about that way we can undo the action. BlackPearl14 18:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

who ever wrtote this is stupid thats not a joke a hoole —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.113.185.170 (talk) 13:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What the hell are you talking about? BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 01:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

for a reason
like every body for some how like him now even i do,hes fine and sexy! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.46.19.33 (talk) 02:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This isn't a forum to discuss how sexy he is, though by the way, I agree. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 23:21, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Hotel trashing
The source talking about Depp trashing the hotel room doesn't seem reputable. It's on some page called Anecdotage and it says he trashed the room because Kate Moss said something negative about his junk. I didn't see any citations on that page either, except for a link that really leads nowhere. I was curious in the source because I wanted to read about a dude trashing a hotel room. I've always wanted to do that. Tomjoad187 (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And your point is? (apart from the fact that the link isn't good :P ) BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 01:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There. I added a better citation. -- Dan Leveille TALK 01:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Golden Globe
He won the award for Sweeney Todd, right? I'm not sure about how to incorporate that under his "awards" section... There's befores and afters on that. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 02:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been taken care of. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 03:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Word check
I am not going to log in, somebody correct the crap about his tattoos. The article would be better off without such irrelevant crap, but the paragraph contains the non-word "bicep". Please correct to "biceps". Thanks, bye. 71.87.23.22 (talk) 05:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Viper Room
This article does not mention the "Viper Room" nightclub where River Phoenix apparently had his fatal drug overdose and which was owned (or part-owned) by Depp. - Mark 07:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Note
I removed the "citation needed" after Depp's characterization of his principal's remark as "really sweet." It's cited via the text as being from the Inside the Actor's Studio interview. (It's there; I watched it. The audience cracks up.) I am not sure how to cite the interview officially, but copies can be purchased at Amazon -- the link is http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Actors-Studio-Johnny-Depp/dp/B000N2HDJQ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1203557346&sr=8-1 and the Amazon sales identification number is B000N2HDJQ.

Lblanchard (talk) 01:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Because it is a direct quote in the article, a formal citation is still required, per Wikipedia guidelines. Saying that it was heard on a tape, or on a TV show, isn't a sufficient citation. In a case like this one, a citation from a source which describes the TV show episode where it occurred is what needs to be added. It could be from the Bravo website for that particular episode, or a TV Guide, etc. listing. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The Viper Room?
i have added information a few times for Depps involvment with the club he once owned in the '1990's' section. When it was removed the first time, i figured it was because i didnt cite a reference. I added the info again with a reference artical, twice, and twice again it was removed.

anyone have an answer for this? am i doing it wrong or is it a case of over-protective fans that seem to want to erase this part of Depp's life from these pages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.91.134 (talk) 02:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

External link to ZotFish?
Hi, I was wondering if it would be appropriate for someone to add an external link to the ZotFish page for Johnny Depp?. I believe it's of genuine interest to readers, but I want to make sure I follow Wikipedia policy and not post it myself -- more info on the site can be found at Mashable. - Zotman (talk) 03:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The site violates WP:ELNO, and does not enhance the article. It should not be added. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Worst photo ever
Please, remove this. This is the worst shot i've ever seen, his eyes are closed, he was probably between two facial expressions, i don't know, but come on...12:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * First, I removed the image from this page, talk pages aren't for posting images. Second, only free, fair-use photos are allowed for infoboxes, so if you have one that you've taken somewhere, please let us know. Wildhartlivie (talk) 17:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, that picture is AWFUL, I prefer either: Image:Johnny Depp 1.JPG or even Image:Johnny depp.jpg. --Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 19:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed, but it is the most recent image we have that I know of (since it's from the Sweeney Todd premiér), so unfortunately, it is what we must use. -- Mizu onna sango15 / 水 女 珊瑚15  21:44, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Since when does a picture need to be the most recent in order to be posted up? I mean, understandably, if they used a picture of Johnny as a baby, it wouldn't do, but the pictures that Yamanbaiia posted seem to be just fine. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 23:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Concur. As long as the person hasn't changed significantly in facial features (and Depp looks exactly the same now as he did 20 years ago) the we should go with the most aesthetically pleasing photo, rather than the most recent one. Rockpock  e  t  23:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree, the photo Yamanbaiia added is much better than the last one. While it seems more practical to use the best fair-use, up-to-date image available, I'd rather not if it's one of low quality such as the last image. Thanks, -- Mizu onna sango15 / 水 女 珊瑚15  22:45, 16 June 2008 (UTC).
 * Good to see that it's changed. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 02:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Film Career update
It was the John Waters's film CRY-BABY 1990 that gave him recognition with director Tim Burton and helped him get the part for Edward Scissorhands. Please be advised that Cry-Baby came before Edward Scissorhands. This was told by Johnny Depp in an interview from Cry-Baby's dvd. (Sulnatty (talk) 22:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC))
 * do you just mean that Depp states Cry Baby came before Scissorhands? or that Depp stated his Cry Baby role directly led to his part in the latter movie? -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 17:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

What about his bad boy side?
Like the fact he almost died of drug overdoses, was a drug addict at 13, lost his virginity at 12...An encyclopedia should not present the "good parts" only. His friendship with Marilyn Manson... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.154.87 (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * these would be fantastic and interesting things to note (except the virginity thing, unless he's said something significant about it - who cares). Like with all things, just be sure to add a ref, if you don't know how check out WP:CITE, or you can leave the info here and someone will do it for you. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 17:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, but what do you call self-harm? That isn't a good thing. And BTW, he lost his virginity at 13. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dancerette11 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Wrong information re: television role
The line "His only television role since 21 Jump Street was a 2004 guest spot on the animated series King of the Hill.[25]" is incorrect. Johnny Depp appeared in "The Last Fast Show Ever" BBC, on the 26th of December, 2000. Cites: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0578183/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/fastshow/characters/suit_you.shtml

87.194.8.88 (talk) 11:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)D. Skine87.194.8.88 (talk) 11:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Image removal
While I'm not really complaining one way or another about the image removal and reversion, I did want to make note that the July 2006 image at the Dead Man's Chest London premiere is already being used as the main image. This is why I didn't revert the removal of the second appearance of it in the article. I'm not sure having it twice in the article is necessary. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

That is why I removed it from the section. Tribal44 (talk) 22:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Tribal44

Addition to "References"
I suggest the addition of the following song link under "References":

California singer/songwriter Erin O'Bryan's brand new CD release "Trip to Horizon" includes the popular single, "Johnny Depp." In the Northwest Woman magazine, O'Bryan is quoted, "I think his [Johnny Depp's] demeanor is so classical. He is so unique, yet you can relate to him in any time period." http://www.erinobryan.com/music/

Liberty1960 (talk) 15:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Gena Gruschovnik

What about his acting style?
How does he learn his parts - is he "method?". His accents are good and he plays a very wide variety of roles. Is there any material in his biographies about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnybriggs (talk • contribs) 10:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why? There is a source that says he never once took an acting class in his life. Apart from this, I see no reason to put anything in the article. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 18:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'd just toss it out completely. &mdash; Mizu onna sango15 / Discuss 21:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wrong. According to Depp's own words during Inside the Actors Studio interview, he took plenty of acting classes. http://www.bravotv.com/Inside_the_Actors_Studio/guest/Johnny_Depp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.73.252 (talk) 01:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Lead
Is there a need to name so many of his movies in the lead.Brilliant trees (talk) 14:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. It conveys how brilliant he really is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Welcome to the dark side. (talk • contribs) 02:58, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The Viper Room
information has been added a few times for Depps involvment with the club he once owned in the '1990's' section. it has been removed over and over.

anyone have an answer for this? why does it seem people want this part of his life forgotton? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.35.184 (talk) 22:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Your question is a little confrontational. The reason I've removed it is that it was largely unsourced, and the way it was presented was very biased. Depp was once part owner of a club in LA. He no longer owns it. It is no longer a business in which he is involved. Anything beyond that is effectively sensationalism. That a well-known actor overdosed and died on the sidewalk after being in the club has no bearing on how the Johnny Depp article is crafted. Depp had no involvement in the death of River Phoenix, no responsibility in it. In my view, to deliberately include this gives the impression of involvement and lends undo weight to Phoenix's death in the article and may create a WP:BLP issue. Wildhartlivie (talk) 00:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Pirates of the Carribean 4 Salary
it should be noted following the pirates 4 in the film roles section, or anywhere else it can be posted, that he is going to make history with this movie. He is going to get paid 61 million $ for this part, and the staggering sum is the largest upfront payment in film history an actor will get. with this he will surpass Will Smith as the best paid actor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Airdom (talk • contribs) 15:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, not without a reference. Wildhartlivie (talk) 15:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * +1. Besides, he doesn't care about the money anyway. He's brilliant as he is--Welcome to the dark side. (talk) 02:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Name
As he he shares the exact same names as his father, his full name should be styled "John Christopher Depp, Jr.", not ""John Christopher Depp, II". Jake Lancaster (talk) 07:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think his name could stay the way it is. According to Wikipedia's article on the subject, "While it is not technically the social norm to use "II" in place of "junior" for children born directly to a same named parent, there is no social rule against the usage of "II" instead of "junior" for a same named child." Plus, the cited source uses "II" rather than "Jr." TakaraLioness (talk) 16:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think more importantly, this is what Depp uses. It's not for us to tell him he was mis-named. The use of II has traditionally been a standard in the past. As the above poster said, there's no societal norm that would forbid the Depps from using it. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

TV
Wasn't he in an episode of the Fast Show? How come that's not mentioned? He especially asked to appear in it because he was a fan of it. Malick78 (talk) 23:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hunter Thompson memorial
The event did not happen in Aspen, CO- it happened in Woody Creek, CO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.197.144.129 (talk) 07:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Batman The Riddler
Johnny Depp is in the running for the role of the riddler in the new batman movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LoL123z (talk • contribs) 23:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Johnny Depp in Spongebob Squarepants
Depp voiced a character called Jack Kahuna Laguna (JKL) on an episode of 'SpongeBob SquarePants' called 'SpongeBob vs. the Big One'. Wellwitted (talk) 23:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, well new accounts have added this and they have all been asked to provide a source for this since IMDb does not list an appearance for him on that show. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well there're ads on for it on Nickelodeon and I think the episode got leaked onto Youtube, but would this IGN article count for a source? TakaraLioness (talk) 18:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be a fine reference if it were put in as such. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Uncredited Films
Johnny was the narrator in Deep Sea 3D with Kate Winslet and was in Joe Strummer: The Future Is Unwriten and Buy the Ticket, Take the Ride: Hunter S. Thompson on Film (2006) When the Road Bends...tales of a Gypsy Caravan (2007) and Breakfast with Hunter (2003) and All the Love You Cannes! (2002) and Brando: The Documentary (2007) and Slow Burn (1986)and Con Man (but theres no page for that) can someone please add these in his filmography

Roles noted in introduction
People seem to want to throw any old role into this, based on what their favourite film is. I propose something like: "Depp came to prominence in his first collaboration with Tim Burton as the title character of Edward Scissorhands, and found mainstream recognition for his roles in Sleepy Hollow, Pirates of the Carribean and Sweeney Todd..."

The current version is a joke (best known for Fear and Loathing?!), and it's just a matter of time before someone else throws their favourite film in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.172.85 (talk • contribs)


 * Agreed. Brendan Heron (talk) 20:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't completely agree with the assessment from the IP. It misrepresents what the lead was saying. It did not say he was best known for those roles, it said "known for his portrayals of offbeat, eccentric characters such as Jack Sparrow in the Pirates of the Caribbean film series, Raoul Duke in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, and the titular character of Edward Scissorhands." Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was given as an example of an offbeat, eccentric character and I'm sorry, but that is exactly accurate. There are few roles he's played that were as offbeat and eccentric as that. Depp didn't actually "come to prominence" from Edward Scissorhands. He came to film prominence with it, but he was already quite well known, albeit in a teen heartthrob way, from 21 Jump Street - much to his chagrin, I should add. It now imples that he didn't come to mainstream success, at least insofar as box office bucks are concerned, until Sleepy Hollow, which is factually untrue. It also implies that Sweeney Todd was a huge hit, and while it well liked and was a hit, it wasn't even as successful box office wise as Corpse Bride or Once Upon a Time in Mexico. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Pirates were box office smashes, but Depp has had critical acclaim for a number of roles, and Donnie Brasco and Chocolat were not unsuccessful films. And if we are gauging mainstream success with box office gross, excuse me, but does Charlie and the Chocolate Factory ring any bells?? It doubled the gross of Sleepy Hollow. So, what we have here is the lead being changed to reflect something entirely different than it did originally. Not an improvement. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:10, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree with the IPs comments, and I think the IP was reading something that wasn't there. The lead paragraph was not giving a list of films; it was making a supported comment about Depp's frequent choice of off-beat roles and gave a few notable examples.   This is entirely different to a list of someone's favourite films and to call it a joke was wrong.  The films mentioned specifically addressed the quirkiness of Depp's film choices and this type of choice is supported by comments in the article about Depp. ("...he specifically chose to appear in films that he found personally interesting, rather than those he thought would succeed at the box office.")  It's possible to be notable for a type of film regardless of the success of the film; Depp is known for off-beat roles in off-beat films that don't necessarily achieve box-office success.   He has also appeared in several successful films and has been acclaimed in several roles, with or without box office success.   If we deal only with box office success or acclaim, we're doing the article a disservice particularly in Depp's case, because his reputation has never been built on a pursuit of commercial success.    I think it's better now.   The only thing I would add is  Jump Street.   It was quite successful and deserves a mention as his springboard to a film career.   His "teen idol" type status was something that he had to overcome because he was known for Jump Street and the article also says that Depp was so uncomfortable with the situation that he "promised himself that after his contract on the series expired, he would only appear in films that he felt were right for him."   It's an important part of his story, and a mention in the lead would be appropriate. Rossrs (talk) 22:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added the 21 Jump Street role to the lead. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks more complete now.  The whole article needs some tweaking, and the lead probably does too,  but it's much better. Rossrs (talk) 03:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Obscure roles best removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendan Heron (talk • contribs)

(outdent) The changes that were made following the above discussion were reverted by the above editor, Brendan Heron and called vandalism in the edit summary. The edit summary also referred to this talk page, upon which the editor made the rather odd and erroneous claim above that he has removed "obscure roles". As explained and commented upon twice, the first paragraph of this article references Depp's career path that is discussed in further detail in the article of taking roles that are offbeat and eccentric. It's been widely reported and discussed in the media. A small listing of some of his more eccentric characters were then included. So I'm a little confused about exactly what are obscure roles. Let's look at what was removed as "obscure roles". The one in Benny and June, for which Depp was nominated for the Golden Globe Award for Best Actor – Motion Picture Musical or Comedy? The one in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, for which he has done numerous documentaries and became involved in the life of Hunter S. Thompson and for which received a lot of media interest and critical acclaim? Maybe it was the inclusion of the vehicle that first made Depp a star on TV - 21 Jump Street, which was instrumental in setting Depp on the career path he chose?? Maybe it was Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, the highest grossing film in his career outside of the Pirates films and for which he was again nominated for a Golden Globe. In any case, it most decidedly was not vandalism. It removed the recentism from the lead by adding other films that figured in his career. It is bad faith to characterize edits in this way and there was no justification for the reversion, even if it had not been called vandalism. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism? You've got to be kidding. Brendan Heron, if an editor makes a change to an article, that is their right, and it is not vandalism just because you happen to disagree. When they explain their edit on the talk page and make their actions completely transparent, that is also not vandalism. This is one of the most strongly supported and encouraged aspects of Wikipedia culture - it's called being bold. WP:VANDALISM gives a clear run down on what vandalism is considered to be in this environment. It's extremely mean spirited, and takes the form of a personal attack, when you throw an accusation of vandalism at another editor, especially when you have failed to show the very basic courtesy of responding to the comments made here, in the appropriate venue, in good faith. Your comments here are "Agreed" and "Obscure roles best removed." Most people would expect more in a discussion. Present an argument, dispute what someone else has said, explain your thoughts - that would be polite, and it may even sway someone to share your opinion - but don't expect anyone to be impressed with you making a decree. "Obscure" is your opinion and it disregards the reasons given for their inclusion. It is also extremely inappropriate on your behalf to remove everything in Wildhartlivie's edit, but obscure it with an inaccurate edit summary which accounts for the removal of only one sentence. Rossrs (talk) 12:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Article structure
It seems odd to me that "Career", which is Depp's reason for notability, doesn't begin until about 4 paragraphs down. There's a lot of personal life covered in the early sections. As he's not famous for his work as a husband and father, I think the article should be restructured to place it after discussion of his career. Rossrs (talk) 03:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It started out just fine, but at some point, the recent personal life was moved up to the early life section. I left a note with some ideas at your page. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Merge the personal life and career sections; just make it straight biography. That will improve the article immensely. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

There is now this unsourced statement in the paragraph entitled "1980's:" "His first band was in honor of his girlfriend, Ayyesha Narjeey." Checking it on google, I can't find any source for it.Iful (talk) 07:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That appears to be vandalism of the wishful-thinking type, most probably by ... Ayyesha Narjeey. Thanks, it's been reverted back to Meredith, which is what it previously said. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I found the vandal. It was 207.38.230.63 as you can see here. S/he vandalised the section, then 1 minute later, inserted the previous text with what s/he wishes were true.--Welcome to the dark side. (talk) 17:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Future films
Should something be mentioned about him in Shantaran, and The Lone Ranger. especially the former since he's a producer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121djn (talk • contribs) 03:55, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not until it is closer to actually being in production. Those future films at this point would qualify under WP:CRYSTAL. When there is more available information about them. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

well how about Rango, Pirates 4, or Dark Shadows? They are in pre-production from what I've read at empire and filmofilia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121djn (talk • contribs)
 * Basically, a rule of thumb to use is whether or not IMDB is showing a film in a production status, even if it isn't reliable for most things. If a film shows there only on IMDB Pro, which is basically "in development", or rumored roles, then we do not list it. I added Rango since it is a voice role that has been completed. Also, please sign your talk page posts by using 4 tildes. Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh I see, thanks.--121djn (talk) 02:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)121djn

Nominated
The Ed Wood page say he was nominated for his role, but on his page here it doesn't mention it. How many times has he been nominated for an Oscar?
 * He has been nominated for the Academy Award for Best Actor three times: for Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl, for Finding Neverland and for Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street. He was nominated for a Golden Globe Award for Best Actor – Motion Picture Musical or Comedy which is what it says at Ed Wood (film). Perhaps that confused you. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:40, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Music
Noticed that I am unable to anonymously edit the main page, which begs the question: How often does Johnny appear in the "Into the Great Wide Open" video? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.50.90.248 (talk) 10:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No idea. Is it significant that we know how many times he appeared in a video? Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Bar
I can't edit the article, but someone needs to change the joint-ownership of the place on Champs-Elysee to the past tense.


 * What is the source for the change? -- Neil N   talk  ♦  contribs  06:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

ManRay is now called World Place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammichraptor (talk • contribs) 20:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

France
When did Depp begin living in France on a regular basis? The article doesn't really specify. 98.221.131.77 (talk) 00:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

French surname
If Depp is really of French origin, it can be Dieppe. It is a name from Picardy, Somme département. It means "from Dieppe", a city in the neighbouring Normandy, Seine-Maritime département. The meaning of this place name is "deep", from Old English deop or Old Norse djupr. It can be Deppe as well, another name from Picardy that used to be a rare surname before the second world war. Picardy was also known as a place where the Huguenots were numerous and next to England, so they could escape during the prosecution under Louis the 14th, so the location is relevant. Around 25 000 French huguenots emigrated to the British colonies after the end of the religious freedom. Nortmannus (talk) 23:04, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Daughter's illness
This article currently includes this paragraph:

The couple have two children. Daughter Lily-Rose Melody Depp was born May 27, 1999, and son John "Jack" Christopher Depp III was born April 9, 2002.[13] In 2007, his daughter recovered from a serious illness, an E. coli infection that began to cause her kidneys to shut down and resulted in an extended hospital stay.[14] However, earlier sources reported that she had blood poisoning due to stepping on a rusty tack.[15] To thank Great Ormond Street Hospital, Depp visited the hospital in November 2007 dressed in his Captain Jack Sparrow outfit and spent 4 hours reading stories to the children. He later donated £1 million (about $2 million) to the hospital in early 2008.[16]

I think this statement and the link should be deleted: "However, earlier sources reported that she had blood poisoning due to stepping on a rusty tack.[15]"

In early 2007 there were many news articles that Depp's daughter Lily-Rose had been hospitalized in London. The statement now in the Wikipedia article which I would like deleted is supported only by an "article" posted on the site http://vipglamour.net/ whatever that is. That article states:

As we reported yesterday, Johnny Depp’s little girl Lily-Rose (7) is in hospital in London’s Great Ormond Street Hospital. In Touch reveal that a rusty tack is responsible for her illness:

Lily trod on the nail at the farmhouse in France where she lives with the Pirates of the Caribbean star weeks ago. “Blood poisoning developed. It has now spread through her body and has affected her vital organs,” says one person with inside knowledge of the case.

The Depp family moved to London last month where Johnny is currently filming a musical version of Sweeney Todd. Unfortunately Lily’s condition began to worsen and she has been in hospital since February 27. In Touch report that she is not responding to treatment.

However Johnny’s rep released this statement

“We are happy to report that their daughter is doing much better. The family greatly appreciates the continued support and respect of their privacy”

Hopefully this is the case and Lily-Rose is on her way to a full recovery.

Source

The source for this is an In Touch Weekly article that is no longer available on-line. That In Touch article was controversial at the time.

The source for the statement in the Wikipedia article that she had e.coli is the San Francisco Chronicle and that article still is on-line (this is a more direct link to the newspaper article than the one shown in the Wikipedia article http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/dailydish/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=23469)  E. coli can develop into an illness that can be very serious for children, leading sometimes to kidney failure and other complications: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemolytic_uremic_syndrome  The source for e. coli can sometimes be very difficult to trace  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/health/04meat.html  yet the original version of the In Touch article blamed the parents for her illness.

The In Touch article was picked up by other sites at the time and was very controversial. Here's what TMZ posted at the time:

Johnny Depp's Daughter -- Mystery Illness Revealed

Posted Mar 8th 2007 2:00PM by TMZ Staff

Nine days after Johnny Depp's 7-year-old daughter was rushed to a London hospital, the cause of Lily-Rose's mysterious ailment is being pinned on a rusty tack.

According to In Touch, "the wound was left untreated" and "blood poisoning developed. It has now spread through her body and has affected her vital organs."

While there have been several conflicting reports on the severity of Lily-Rose's condition, Depp's reps tell the AP that she is "doing much better." The actor has reportedly not left Lily-Rose's bedside since she was admitted to the hospital on February 28.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/03/08/johnny-depps-daughter-mystery-illness-revealed/

In Touch Weekly later deleted the comment about the wound being "left untreated" but TMZ would not delete that comment (I know, I tried to get TMZ to delete it after I saw In Touch had deleted it)

ET Online reported at the time that: "Sources confirm to ET that an earlier report by In Touch magazine which stated that the illness was caused by the little girl stepping on a rusty tack is 'absolutely untrue.'" http://www.etonline.com/movies/news/2007/03/47327/index.html

The London Evening Standard reported at the time that she had contracted e. coli: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23390038-ecoli-nearly-killed-depps-daughter.do

Other sources later reported she had e. coli: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b57212_johnny_depps_big_donation.html http://www.hellomagazine.com/film/200907031580/johnny-depp/pirate-visit/hospital-children/1/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-508227/Johnny-Depps-1m-gift-Great-Ormond-Street-hospital-saved-daughters-life.html http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/22404/Depp-girl-had-Ecoli-virus.html

So the only source for this story about her stepping on a tack and getting blood poisoning is an article that was based on an anonymous source, that is no longer available on-line, and that was posted by In Touch Weekly a very tabloid-y magazine. Whereas there are several sources available on-line that say she contracted e. coli and one source that specifically says the rusty tack story is untrue. This must have been a really terrible experience for that family and I think this obviously baseless tabloid rumor should be deleted from this article. --Iful (talk) 12:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, thanks for posting your quite detailed reasoning. -- Neil N   talk  ♦  contribs  13:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what I think about this. No one was disputing that she had e. coli nor was that implied. The paragraph simply stated that there was an earlier report that she had stepped on a tack and had blood poisoning. I would suggest since it was a controversial report and it did get a lot of attention, there is no harm in mentioning this in the article. If you were thinking the article implied that she didn't have e. coli, that isn't correct. Wildhartlivie (talk) 17:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Iful is suggesting that reports saying the daughter stepped on a rusty tack were untrue and based on unreliable sources. Since there is doubt, and explaining why there is doubt would take even more space in an article about Johnny Depp, I took the sentence out. -- Neil N   talk  ♦  contribs  17:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment
Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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