Talk:Judy Genshaft

Request Edit September 9 2020
I am submitting the following proposed changes in accordance with the directions at Wikipedia's Contact Us page for the subjects of articles or their representatives in the event "an article about you or your organization is incomplete, inaccurate, or biased.." I have a personal relationship with Genshaft. I am unpaid and have no professional relationship to her. In evaluating these proposals, please note that the current article weighted toward a list of highlighted controversies, all of which are minor, except for ‘Al-Arian’. I am attempting to make this more like a “Good Article” biography, with proper weighting and proportionality. I also am mindful of neutral point of view and verifiability. I understand there are many requests and do appreciate the patience of the volunteer editors in reviewing this -- but the current article is a mess. Thanks for independent review and consideration.

1. Please replace the “Infobox” with:

Why? Updates information box to include degrees earned from respective universities and the years, modeling after Good Article example John C. Corbally, also a former university president: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Corbally

2. Please change the name of the “Academic Career” section to “Career”

Why?: The following section, called “President of University of South Florida” is also about her academic career and constitutes the majority of the article. In addition, there are non-academic aspects to her career -- her Board memberships --- that are more suited to a Career section than the Personal Life section, where they are now.

3. Please change the section “President of University of South Florida” to a sub-section under career.

Why?: This is part of her Career and warrants its own sub-section. . 4. Please eliminate the sub-titles (but not the content, which should remain in tacts) of all the current sub-sections under “President of University of South Florida”:

Why? The current structure, where every single event/incident/statement gets its own sub-section, no matter how important, is contrary to the “Good Article” formats (which are supposed to be used as the standard templates) for all biographies. None of the “Good Article” university president bios I could find divided up the events by sub-titles.. See for example Lyman Hall (academic), Albert A. Murphree.

The present structure, made up entirely of sub-titles, makes lesser events seem more notable than they are -- for example, why does “Relationship with Student Body” or “Presidential Salary” warrant a separate sub-section? It also makes it impossible to add small events that are significant but don’t warrant a sub-section -- like her firing the medical school Dean. Or the date when she retired. 5. Add new sentence under “President of University of South Florida” sub-section, in chronological order, after “Genshaft became the president of USF in July 2000. ” From 2000 to 2007, under Genshaft, USF grew federally-funded research 213 percent, at a faster rate than any university in the country.

Note: This is a major career accomplishment, actually leading the nation in this category -- and is reported by a highly credible source, The Chronicle of Higher Education. Again, this article is a summary of her life, including major achievements that reflect well on her. Her 20 years at USF can’t all be described as a list of controversies. WP: Due.

6. Add a new sentence under “President of University of South Florida” sub-section, in chronological order, after: “Genshaft named NFL Hall of Famer…” In 2002, Genshaft created an honors college for USF, which had previously only had an honors program. Note: This is a key event in Genshaft moving the school toward joining the ranks of the highest-rated Florida universities. The article needs to include important events in her career, even if they reflect well on her. WP: Undue 7. Add new sentence under “President of University of South Florida” sub-section, in chronological order, after, the proposed new sentence about the honors college: Genshaft fired medical school dean Robert Daugherty in October 2003 after he allegedly violated university rules when he requested that his staff contribute to the campaign of state House Speaker Johnnie Byrd. Note: Another high-profile firing. There are several paragraphs that follow about the Al-Arian firing. This puts in perspective that she fired other high-profile people (we will also request another high-profile firing, a USF regional chancellor.) 8. In the “President of USF Section”, please delete: “In 2016, a campaign organized by Students for a Democratic Society to persuade Genshaft to change the name of a campus building failed. The campaign targeted the removal of Bill Young's name because of Young's homophobic actions in the 1960s on the Florida Legislative Investigation Committee and his continued support for anti-LGBT policies up until his death. ”

And REPLACE IT WITH: In 2016, a student campaign organized by Students for a Democratic Society failed to persuade Genshaft to change the name of a building named after former U.S. Congressman Bill Young, accused by students of supporting anti-LGBT policies. Note: IDs Young as congressman. Attributes claims about Young to the protest group rather than Wikipedia saying this opinion is fact in the voice of Wikipedia.

9. In “President of USF” section, please delete:

Adjunct faculty professors launched Faculty Forward, a campaign to unionize adjuncts. In October 2017, a state hearing officer recommended Public Employees Relations Commission approve the adjuncts’ request for an election “as soon as is practicable”, but Genshaft's administration took steps to delay union elections. The protesting adjunct professors were supported by Hillsborough County Commissioner Pat Kemp.

AND SUBSTITUTE: In 2017, adjunct faculty at USF protested Genshaft and the university for opposing efforts to unionize adjunct faculty. Note: the current content is largely “Coatracking,” not even mentioning Genshaft. The extended version might belong in the article about the University of South Florida. I’ve proposed an alternative version shortening the paragraph to just include what mentions Genshaft. 10. In the “President of USF” section, after the sentence: “The protesting adjunct professors were supported by Hillsborough County Commissioner Pat Kemp. ”

PLEASE ADD THE FOLLOWING AS TWO NEW PARAGRAPHS:

In 2018, USF met Genshaft's stated goal, set at the time she became president of the university in 2000, to become a "preeminent" research university, by meeting 11 of the 12 metrics for "full preeminence standard" set by the Florida Board of Governors. Four-year USF graduation rate rates improved from 20% in the early 2000s to 60% in 2018.

She also wrapped up the "Unstoppable" fundraising campaign for the university, which had an original goal of $600 million in 2009, with $1 billion raised, early in 2018.

Note: Raising USF’s academic profile in Florida and US, as well as her fundraising efforts, were very major accomplishments in Genshaft’s career and this article is the summation of her now completed career as an university president. It’s not promotional -- it’s descriptive of what she accomplished as president of USF. Again, WP: Due.

11.  In “Personal Life”, please move the following into the “Career” section, below the paragraph that begins:   “In June 2019, Genshaft and her husband…”

She also served as director of American Momentum Bank. She served as chair of the NCAA Board and the American Council on Education Board.

12. In the “President of University of South Florida” sub-section, please replace the sentence: “She also served as director of American Momentum Bank. She served as chair of the NCAA Board and the American Council on Education Board. ”

WITH: During her tenure, she advocated for supporting business growth with academic research and to this end, she served as chairperson of the Tampa Bay Partnership and the Greater Tampa Chamber of Commerce. She also served as a director of American Momentum Bank. To help raise the university's national profile, Genshaft served as chairperson of the Division I NCAA Board of Directors and of the American Council on Education Board.

Genshaft retired as president of USF in July 2019. After retiring as president, she was named president emerita.

Why? Developing civic engagement and business partnerships was a major initiative of Genshaft during her 20-year tenure. It was a big deal in her life that she devoted significant time and attention to actually being a leader of the major local business organizations, which is hardly standard for university presidents. It was covered repeatedly in the press. The article should describe her entire career in proportion, not just controversies like student protests over changing the names of buildings. WP: Due It’s also important to note her retirement date, as it is highly relevant to her career and was probably not placed in the article because of the current structure, where every statement has to have its own sub-heading.

Thank you very much.Rocky.abcd (talk) 19:54, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Request Edit September 9 2020
I am submitting the following proposed changes in accordance with the directions at Wikipedia's Contact Us page for the subjects of articles or their representatives in the event "an article about you or your organization is incomplete, inaccurate, or biased.." I have a personal relationship with Genshaft. I am unpaid and have no professional relationship to her. In evaluating these proposals, please note that the current article weighted toward a list of highlighted controversies, all of which are minor, except for ‘Al-Arian’. I am attempting to make this more like a “Good Article” biography, with proper weighting and proportionality. I also am mindful of neutral point of view and verifiability. I understand there are many requests and do appreciate the patience of the volunteer editors in reviewing this -- but the current article is a mess. Thanks for independent review and consideration.

1. Please replace the following education line in the “Infobox” with:


 * education  =  University of Wisconsin at Madison (BA,1969) Kent State University (MA, 1973; PhD, 1975)

Why? Updates information box to include degrees earned from respective universities and the years, modeling after Good Article example John C. Corbally, also a former university president: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Corbally

2. Please change the name of the “Academic Career” section to “Career”

Why?: The following section, called “President of University of South Florida” is also about her academic career and constitutes the majority of the article. In addition, there are non-academic aspects to her career -- her Board memberships --- that are more suited to a Career section than the Personal Life section, where they are now.

3. Please change the section “President of University of South Florida” to a sub-section under career.

Why?: This is part of her Career and warrants its own sub-section. . 4. Please eliminate the sub-titles (but not the content, which should remain in tacts) of all the current sub-sections under “President of University of South Florida”:

Why? The current structure, where every single event/incident/statement gets its own sub-section, no matter how important, is contrary to the “Good Article” formats (which are supposed to be used as the standard templates) for all biographies. None of the “Good Article” university president bios I could find divided up the events by sub-titles.. See for example Lyman Hall (academic), Albert A. Murphree.

The present structure, made up entirely of sub-titles, makes lesser events seem more notable than they are -- for example, why does “Relationship with Student Body” or “Presidential Salary” warrant a separate sub-section? It also makes it impossible to add small events that are significant but don’t warrant a sub-section -- like her firing the medical school Dean. Or the date when she retired. 5. Add new sentence under “President of University of South Florida” sub-section, in chronological order, after “Genshaft became the president of USF in July 2000. ” From 2000 to 2007, under Genshaft, USF grew federally-funded research 213 percent, at a faster rate than any university in the country.

Note: This is a major career accomplishment, actually leading the nation in this category -- and is reported by a highly credible source, The Chronicle of Higher Education. Again, this article is a summary of her life, including major achievements that reflect well on her. Her 20 years at USF can’t all be described as a list of controversies. WP: Due.

6. Add a new sentence under “President of University of South Florida” sub-section, in chronological order, after: “Genshaft named NFL Hall of Famer…” In 2002, Genshaft created an honors college for USF, which had previously only had an honors program. Note: This is a key event in Genshaft moving the school toward joining the ranks of the highest-rated Florida universities. The article needs to include important events in her career, even if they reflect well on her. WP: Undue 7. Add new sentence under “President of University of South Florida” sub-section, in chronological order, after, the proposed new sentence about the honors college: Genshaft fired medical school dean Robert Daugherty in October 2003 after he allegedly violated university rules when he requested that his staff contribute to the campaign of state House Speaker Johnnie Byrd. Note: Another high-profile firing. There are several paragraphs that follow about the Al-Arian firing. This puts in perspective that she fired other high-profile people (we will also request another high-profile firing, a USF regional chancellor.) 8. In the “President of USF Section”, please delete: “In 2016, a campaign organized by Students for a Democratic Society to persuade Genshaft to change the name of a campus building failed. The campaign targeted the removal of Bill Young's name because of Young's homophobic actions in the 1960s on the Florida Legislative Investigation Committee and his continued support for anti-LGBT policies up until his death. ”

And REPLACE IT WITH: In 2016, a student campaign organized by Students for a Democratic Society failed to persuade Genshaft to change the name of a building named after former U.S. Congressman Bill Young, accused by students of supporting anti-LGBT policies. Note: IDs Young as congressman. Attributes claims about Young to the protest group rather than Wikipedia saying this opinion is fact in the voice of Wikipedia.

9. In “President of USF” section, please delete:

Adjunct faculty professors launched Faculty Forward, a campaign to unionize adjuncts. In October 2017, a state hearing officer recommended Public Employees Relations Commission approve the adjuncts’ request for an election “as soon as is practicable”, but Genshaft's administration took steps to delay union elections. The protesting adjunct professors were supported by Hillsborough County Commissioner Pat Kemp.

AND SUBSTITUTE: In 2017, adjunct faculty at USF protested Genshaft and the university for opposing efforts to unionize adjunct faculty. Note: the current content is largely “Coatracking,” not even mentioning Genshaft. The extended version might belong in the article about the University of South Florida. I’ve proposed an alternative version shortening the paragraph to just include what mentions Genshaft. 10. In the “President of USF” section, after the sentence: “The protesting adjunct professors were supported by Hillsborough County Commissioner Pat Kemp. ”

PLEASE ADD THE FOLLOWING AS TWO NEW PARAGRAPHS:

In 2018, USF met Genshaft's stated goal, set at the time she became president of the university in 2000, to become a "preeminent" research university, by meeting 11 of the 12 metrics for "full preeminence standard" set by the Florida Board of Governors. Four-year USF graduation rate rates improved from 20% in the early 2000s to 60% in 2018.

She also wrapped up the "Unstoppable" fundraising campaign for the university, which had an original goal of $600 million in 2009, with $1 billion raised, early in 2018.

Note: Raising USF’s academic profile in Florida and US, as well as her fundraising efforts, were very major accomplishments in Genshaft’s career and this article is the summation of her now completed career as an university president. It’s not promotional -- it’s descriptive of what she accomplished as president of USF. Again, WP: Due.

11.  In “Personal Life”, please move the following into the “Career” section, below the paragraph that begins:   “In June 2019, Genshaft and her husband…”

She also served as director of American Momentum Bank. She served as chair of the NCAA Board and the American Council on Education Board.

12. In the “President of University of South Florida” sub-section, please replace the sentence: “She also served as director of American Momentum Bank. She served as chair of the NCAA Board and the American Council on Education Board. ”

WITH: During her tenure, she advocated for supporting business growth with academic research and to this end, she served as chairperson of the Tampa Bay Partnership and the Greater Tampa Chamber of Commerce. She also served as a director of American Momentum Bank. To help raise the university's national profile, Genshaft served as chairperson of the Division I NCAA Board of Directors and of the American Council on Education Board.

Genshaft retired as president of USF in July 2019. After retiring as president, she was named president emerita.

Why? Developing civic engagement and business partnerships was a major initiative of Genshaft during her 20-year tenure. It was a big deal in her life that she devoted significant time and attention to actually being a leader of the major local business organizations, which is hardly standard for university presidents. It was covered repeatedly in the press. The article should describe her entire career in proportion, not just controversies like student protests over changing the names of buildings. WP: Due It’s also important to note her retirement date, as it is highly relevant to her career and was probably not placed in the article because of the current structure, where every statement has to have its own sub-heading.

Thank you very much. Rocky.abcd (talk) 20:02, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Rocky.abcd I reviewed your suggested edits and incorporated many into the article. Some were reworded for a more neutral POV. I deleted the paragraph on the student protest of the building renaming as it fails to rise to notability standards for a two decade career and also unfairly denigrates another longtime public official. Others wishing to weigh in or make additions edits please do so. Go4thProsper (talk) 00:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)