Talk:June Whitfield

Personal life?
Missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.64.158 (talk) 20:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Now started. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

External links modified
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20121114052731/http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/s/scotton_1299002752.shtml to http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/s/scotton_1299002752.shtml
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20120717042808/http://comedy-zone.net/standup/comedian/w/whitfield-june.htm to http://www.comedy-zone.net/standup/comedian/w/whitfield-june.htm
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20141023025831/http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/05032010/19/june-drop-weatherfield.html to http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/05032010/19/june-drop-weatherfield.html

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 * First one to BBC fails. Others OK. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:07, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Name?
Surely Whitfield's 'official' name must be Dame June Rosemary Aitchison? 180.169.136.58 (talk) 02:18, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely correct. Aitchison is her legal married name, as made clear in the article and thus is the correct name that should be used.180.169.137.226 (talk) 07:41, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

RS?
Is this a sufficiently reliable source for Whitfield's involvement in The Passing Show? It lists sources at the bottom of the article, and this site info page lists a mass of sources that the site has used generally. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:56, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure who Laurence Marcus is. Can anyone write a review for them? Not that I would dispute her appearance in that show. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:00, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The site does invite people to submit articles, so indeed anyone can - the question is how stringent are their editorial standards, and how much do they scrutinise submissions? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:06, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Never heard of them before, so impossible for me to advise. But the presentation style looks quite professional. Maybe they have already been discussed at WT:IRS? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:10, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I've found one that's definitely RS (The Guardian), which mentions other stuff too. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:16, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that looks ideal. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:10, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Appearances which cannot be verified
MurielMary (talk) 20:48, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Out of Sight (1997) – Miss Stanbridge
 * Dirty Tricks (2005) – Persian Cat
 * Innocent (2009–2010) – Granny Rose
 * The Secret (2000) – Mrs Birkstead


 * The BFI source already used in the article does list an appearance as Miss Stanbridge in 1997's Little Tommy Dawkins, so I suspect the appearance of Out of Sight is either an error or vandalism. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:57, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all your work in finding sources and general improvements, MurielMary. It can't be a case of "now it's on Main page RD, who cares" (can it?) But I'd be tempted to remove the few items that can't be sourced anywhere. I'm sorry she did not get a Main page blurb - but apparently it's all about "leadership" (whatever that might mean in comic acting... I mean, her huge credit list and amazing longevity probably sprang from her not being a leader - she pretty much said so herself). Martinevans123 (talk) 23:14, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * p.s. I'm pretty sure that would have been the UK TV series Out of Sight, not the US film Out of Sight. IMDb says it was just one episode. (All four of the above appearances are listed at IMDb.) Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It appears that Little Tommy Dawkins is an episode of Out of Sight. It's curious (and rather unfortunate for our purposes) that the BFI page makes no mention of this. (I confess that, when looking into Out of Sight, I had only looked at our page on the US film, and thought to myself, it seems unlikely that June was in this....) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:33, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Father Gilbert Mysteries
It should be noted that June Whitfield was part of the cast of Father Gilbert Mysteries, an original miniseries on Focus on the Family Radio Theatre, where she played the role of Father Gilbert's assistant, Mrs. Mayhew, appearing in 8 of the 9 episodes produced from 2001-2004. --72.25.20.233 (talk) 14:14, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Do you have any source(s)? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Date of death
The order of service for her funeral, visible at the BBC report here, clearly shows a date of death of "29th December 2018"? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:32, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes you're right there, I didn't spot that! This does appear to be the only (tenuous) source for the date of death, but considering that the 28 Dec claim that's already installed in the article has no citation to back it up, we might as well just change it to the 29th, maybe with an edit summary directing other editors to have a look at the picture in the BBC source...? Rodney Baggins (talk) 12:28, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Really not sure. A classic case of "conflicting sources". Is the Order of Service more "reliable"? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The Daily Mail has it several times in black and white (and various other colours) which is so incredibly frustrating as this is classed as an unreliable source and we can't use it! In fact, their article mentions 29 Dec so many times, I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually poking fun at Wikipedia who clearly has it wrong! I strongly suspect that she died a few minutes into the 29th (00:02 or something like that) which is what's caused the confusion in the first place... Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:47, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * How ironic. But yes, Daily Mail photos are often very good and, as I said in the notorious DM RfC, I don't see how they can be invented. As with many people who "pass away in their sleep", time of death has to be estimated by a medical professional at the time they are eventually discovered. And the phrase "died last might", for example, is slightly ambiguous. Without access to the death certificate, it's not possible to be 100% sure, but it's looking very much like the article is currently wrong. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:00, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The order of service could be wrong - printing errors and all that - though it is also true that both the sources currently used in the article refer to the day (Friday), not the date, and the BBC source seems to be basing their info on the statement by Whitfield's agent that she died "on Friday night", which is not necessarily very precise (people can refer to the passing of days according to when they went to bed, rather than the clock). So there are problems with both versions. However, I can't see that it would do any harm to leave it as 28 Dec for now, but add a note stating that there is some ambiguity, with a reference to the picture of the order of service. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:24, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The Guardian states it as the 28th. Though they might have made a mistake based on the "Friday night" info. Do we know if anyone was present when she died? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:37, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * A casual reference to a journalist of "Friday night" - which could then have been repeated by other sources - could easily have meant, in fact, the early hours of Saturday morning. The order of service, agreed by the family based on their personal and intimate knowledge, is far more likely to be, in fact, correct.  We should use the 29th, perhaps with a footnote of explanation and a mention of some sources stating 28th.  Only Wikipedia editors and astrologers would be concerned about this. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:46, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

I tend to agree with Ghmyrtle. I think the order of service is most likely to be correct and we should change the date to 29th, but I don't think we necessarily need to provide a footnote for the reader, just a hidden editorial note explaining where we got the information from. Or we could always use the BBC source already provided, as it does in fact contain an image of the order of service. Rodney Baggins (talk) 11:00, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd support a change with that source. A footnote might be useful for the other dates. Given Whitfield's celebrity status it's very had to imagine any funeral director getting that date wrong on the Order of Service. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:07, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Have now changed the date, and added the new BBC source. I have left the existing sources (BBC and NYT) in for now. They could be removed and/or an explanatory note added. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:48, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Martin, you beat me to it. The BBC source was already there after the funeral sentence so I've combined the two. I might try adding some sort of explanatory note later to clear up any confusion, as some of the sources clearly say she died on the 28th. Rodney Baggins (talk) 12:24, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, the BBC source says "Her agent said she died peacefully on Friday night." and the NYT also says "on Friday". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The Daily Mail perhaps has the clearest image of the Order of Service. I assume the picture of her is one taken in her later years. Her facial appearance did change somewhat. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:44, 21 January 2019 (UTC)