Talk:Kashmir

F&f's general principles
These principles are not meant to be observed compulsively all the time, but judiciously, with wisdom.
 * In the manner in which I use the expression, "tertiary sources" and "secondary sources", there are many levels of sources. Also, when I use "good example" below, I don't mean that the books or article has no errors or is widely cited, only that they belong to the class of such sources.


 * level TT or tertiary-tertiary
 * these are Broad scale histories of South Asia. They determine how important Kashmir really is in the history of South Asia. (David Ludden and Michael Fisher are good examples. I'll be adding more of course.)


 * level TS, or tertiary-secondary
 * There are histories of Kashmir. They determine how important the topic is in the history of Kashmir.  (Chitralekha Zutshi's Kashmir is a good example)


 * level ST, or secondary-tertiary,
 * these use primary sources but cover a wide range. PGN Suhail's book on the politics of land grabbing in Kashmir is a good example.


 * level SS, or secondary-secondary
 * These also use primary sources but cover a narrow range. A journal article abut land reforms in Kashmir between 1948 and 1951 would belong to this level.


 * I try to observe the principles:
 * The tertiary sources are not to be used for the fine details if they are not replicated in secondary sources Why? Because the tertiary sources are meant to sum up secondary sources.
 * The tertiary sources are to be used for the broad trends, they determine WP:due weight.
 * Always proceed from TT to SS.


 * One of the problems with Wikipedia is that people don't read books. This has happened in great part because of Google, and I suppose this was Jimbo Wales's pioneering insight, essentially that of a crowd-sourced knowledge base.  But it has major weaknesses.  Editors can search for a term and find a source that uses the term in some context.  They can put it in an article without knowing or assessing how the author is using that term and in what context. In the old days, they would have had to find a book in a library or buy it it in a bookstore, scan it, read some relevant pages. Now they are more like data entry operators.  The crowd-sourced system may converge to equilibrium but it hasn't yet, especially not in the topics in the Humanities and Social Sciences, and there is no certainty. In the science and technology topics, in which due weight is not as important, WP has done a better job.  It is mostly the work of anonymous editors (I suspect).

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 July 2023
Please change Kashmir to Diamer District, Gilgit Baltistan (It is a region that is administered by Pakistan too) under the description of thumbnail of Nanga Parbat. This is basically additional information. I am neither siding with Pakistan nor India and acknowledge both Gilgit-Baltistan and Kashmir as disputed territories. JoycesUllysses (talk) 13:33, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Gilgit-Baltistan is considered a part of wider Kashmir which is the subject of this article. I believe it's not incorrect to say that Nanga Parbat is situated in Kashmir. — kashmīrī  TALK  15:42, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for getting back to me, I didn't reactivate my request because I think that we can solve this issue amicably here. There are some thumbnails where Ladakh is mentioned and it is a part of greater Kashmir too. I am just being objective here, it would've been fair even if Gilgit-Baltistan was mentioned alongside Kashmir too. JoycesUllysses (talk) 12:59, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2023
– Change Indian subcontinent to South Asia as other countries in region don’t refer to themselves as Indians Harloww89 (talk) 20:52, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. —  kashmīrī  TALK  21:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Link to UNSC resolution 47
 Adding reference to UNSC Resolution 47 

Please change this: However, since the plebiscite demanded by the UN was never conducted, to this: However, since the plebiscite demanded by the UN was never conducted,

`~ᴀɴᴋʀᴀᴊ ɢɪʀɪ🎇✨( C • Talk ) 05:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The statement is already supported by the book citation in the sentence to A History of India. Per WP:WHENNOTCITE, it is unnecessary to add an additional citation here. Liu1126 (talk) 22:09, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will just quote -WP:WHYCITE :
 * "editors are always encouraged to add or improve citations for any information in an article"
 * WP:WHENNOTCITE does not bar from citing different sources. It says same source not to be cited again and again. `~ᴀɴᴋʀᴀᴊ ɢɪʀɪ🎇✨( C • Talk ) 08:04, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia prefers WP:SECONDARY sources. Since a high-quality SECONDARY source is cited, nothing more is needed. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 March 2024
Add a main article designation for the "Kashmir dispute" section of this article that links to the "Kashmir Conflict" article Ulcerative (talk) 06:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jamedeus (talk) 07:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Many apologies for reverting your sincere edit. The Kashmir dispute is the primarily political dispute, albeit with military antecedents, that has lain before the United Nations since January 1948, the UN's oldest.  The conflict is the name given to the various forms of armed strife in the Kashmir region.  The Indian government which is generally not keen to discuss the political underpinnings of the dispute prefers the "conflict" terminology.  On WP the "conflict" has been grandfathered in.  But this page, i.e. Kashmir, is the main article for the dispute.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  14:29, 7 March 2024 (UTC)