Talk:Kayden Troff

Additions
Today Troff became US Junior Chess Champion, thus I added bot that accomplishment and his becoming a GM last month. I think this article is well deserved to be in Wikipedia, but there may be some changes to it. I removed a line about his ambitions to become a GM (After all, he already is one. But that also sounded non-neutral). I hope my additions are welcome and helpful to improve the quality of this article.--Pazguillermo (talk) 23:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks to everyone who has helped contribute to this page. I appreciate your votes to "keep" this page. Kayden will continue to progress, and I look forward to being able to record his accomplishments on this page.GrandMattster (talk) 17:12, 17 March 2009 (UTC), Matt Boren

Thank you to the editors who chose to keep this article. Perhaps Kayden has affirmed your decision by gaining the #1 spot in the USA for his age group. More astonishingly, the same month he also earned the #1 ranking in the USA for quick chess players under the age of 13, while he was still only ten years old. . Yet more astonishingly, for a brief period during his first month as an eleven-year-old, his quick rating of 2164 placed him #1 in the USA for all players under the age of 16. Truly a remarkable youngster worth watching, one whom Chess Base magazine has dubbed "the next American super-talent." Submitted by DNash, a USCF Tournament Director from Utah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.213.207.86 (talk) 07:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC) Yes, and now he's U12 Champion, and Candidate Master!! GrandMattster 14:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Make that National Master! GrandMattster 20:26, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Move/rename
I think this article should be moved/renamed to Kayden Troff, per Naming conventions (people). Bubba73 (talk), 03:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Stub?
Is this article still considered the stub? Can I take the stub title off the bottom of the page? GrandMattster (talk) 21:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Importance
I bumped this article's importance up from low to mid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrandMattster (talk • contribs) 19:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it is clearly of low importance at this time. Bubba73 (talk), 19:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What does the kid have to do to earn even mid importance? He just barely became champion of all North America for all ages U-12 in Mazatlan.  He's beaten International Masters and FIDE Masters and Candidate masters, and yet he STILL isn't notable???
 * Oh, and he's also a candidate master at the age of 11. Forgot that part.  GrandMattster 20:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * He is notable enough for an article, but of low importance. Some people wanted to delete the article.  Bubba73 (talk), 20:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry to keep beating the dead horse, but aren't his outstanding accomplishments added to his candidate master title ADDED TO his extremely young age enough to make him mid class? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrandMattster (talk • contribs) 20:10, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

{Unindent) No. He is very strong for his age but is not, as yet, a major figure in chess history. For comparison, here are some players who, like Troff, are rated as of Low Importance: Ray Robson and Fabiano Caruana, young American players who both qualified for the grandmaster title before age 15, making them two of the youngest GMs in the history of the world; and Joel Benjamin, Larry Christiansen, and Lev Alburt, all of whom are grandmasters who won the United States Chess Championship at least twice. At this time, all of those players are much stronger, and more significant players in chess history, than Troff. Krakatoa (talk) 15:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

A comparison with American players who are of Mid Importance is also enlightening. Among those players are Walter Browne, grandmaster, six-time U.S. Champion; Larry Evans, grandmaster, five-time U.S. Champion, four-time U.S. Open Champion; Yasser Seirawan, grandmaster, World Junior Champion, four-time U.S. Champion; Boris Gulko, grandmaster, USSR champion, two-time U.S. champion; and Hikaru Nakamura, grandmaster (beating Bobby Fischer's record for youngest American grandmaster), two-time U.S. Champion (so far), ranked No. 16 in the world. Realistically, even if Troff continues to improve rapidly and goes from success to success (International Master, grandmaster, playing in the U.S. Championship, even winning a U.S. Championship), there is virtually no likelihood that his article will be Mid Importance in the next 10 years. That is not a criticism of him in any way; it's just that to attain that level, one has to have a major impact on chess history. Krakatoa (talk) 18:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. Bubba73 (talk), 18:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Definitely low. Consider 13 year old Illya Nyzhnyk rated 2494 and 10 year old(could be 9!) Yi Wei rated 2224. SunCreator (talk) 13:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, his rating is below the world record for his age. But it is well ahead of where folks like Bobby Fischer and Magnus Carlsen were at his age. Of course, in 1994 Jordy Mont-Reynaud became the youngest U.S. master ever at 10 years, 209 days. Fifteen years later, his rating is a walloping 2270. Krakatoa (talk) 16:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow
Is it right that he has gained about 300 points in 9 months? That is quite impressive! Krakatoa (talk) 12:03, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup. 205.122.213.2 (talk) 17:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

problems

 * 1) The two links to games don't link there anymore.
 * 2) I don't think the article should use analysis by Fritz (original research)
 * 3) The table of results should be in the other order.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Training with Kasparov
Newspaper article: http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/402260174ccc40b4901ccc3f94d6a562/UT--Chess-Prodigy Krakatoa (talk) 18:39, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Biased point of view?
I think this deserves some admin checks... the tone of the article is biased, and there seem to be users with significant conflicts of interest editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pusasibirica (talk • contribs) 01:03, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I concur. There are too many unneccessary personal details and exclamations/qualifications that cause the article to have a biased tone ("...by far," "...by a huge margin," "...catapulting his quick rating," etc.). GaspingVespers (talk) 15:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:39, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Looking back...I believe I agree as well. I myself edited a lot, and added unnecessary emphasis on exclamation and (perhaps even) exaggeration. I've grown a little older, a little wiser, and a little more aloof. I am still enthusiastic about Kayden's progress, and his accomplishments can speak for themselves, but the article's tone makes it not only biased, but also a little undignified. I will do my best to bring a more neutral tone in my future editing. (GrandMattster) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.81.242.82 (talk) 23:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Article is biased and was was written by his father for PR purposes. Also, calling his son a chess prodigy is a bit much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.15.61.98 (talk) 14:12, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I did some work on clearing out the rubbish and generally straightening out the article a while ago, shrinking the article's size by a third. If I say so myself, the article is in a better state now. Additional work can always be done but most of the problems from this talk section have been addressed. Jkmaskell (talk) 20:10, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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