Talk:Kererū

Stars named after Kererū
A group of editors from the Wellington Wikipedia Meetup are collaborating in order to improve this article with the intention of hopefully regaining a Good Article status. In anticipation I just thought I'd point out to fellow editors this news article about how a start was named after the Kererū. - Ambrosia10 (talk) 03:25, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I've added a section and information on this Ambrosia10 (talk) 21:21, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Photo gallery
I contacted Kereru Discovery Project, to ask about some images that I had seen posted recently on a Facebook page. I was delighted to get a response in only one hour, and they uploaded the images to Commons. I have included a couple of these images in the photo gallery I have added near the bottom of the article. They are really supportive, and I will keep them posted with progress.Marshelec (talk) 08:15, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * That's such great news! What a fabulous result. Ambrosia10 (talk) 21:12, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Fruit pigeon ?
The first sentence under description currently says: The kererū is a large, 550 –, arboreal fruit-pigeon.

Looking at the separate article Fruit dove, I see it has a redirect from Fruit pigeon, but none of the species listed in that article is Hemiphaga. This leads me to wonder if either (a) the description of Kereru as "fruit pigeon" is not fully appropriate, or (b) the article Fruit dove needs some work to include Hemiphaga. Perhaps it would be simpler to leave the classification to the taxonomy section, and just call it an arboreal pigeon ?Marshelec (talk) 22:44, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree with what you've suggested User:Marshelec and have therefore removed "fruit-" and just left it as "arboreal pigeon". -Ambrosia10 (talk) 02:59, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Proposed structure of article
I am studying the featured articles highlighted in the Wikiproject Birds and have come up with this proposed structure of the article to hopefully help guide improvements by the Wellington Wikipedia Meetup group. Other editors, please feel free to edit and add detail.

Name

Taxonomy

Description - including of the egg, chick/juvenile & adult, including any difference between male & female of species.

Distribution - historic and current

Habitat - preferred habitat of the species

Ecology and behaviour - Have subsections on breeding, feeding and longevity. Include such things as flight description, ability to eat large fruits of endemic plant species etc.

Predators and parasites

Conservation - information on history of the conservation of species and then current conservation status. Possible subsection on citizen science projects aiming to protect or conserve the species.

In Māori culture (is there a better title for this section?) possibly "relationship to humans" - as taonga; as food; etc

Etymology - this was discussed during a Wellington Wikipedia meeting and the group decided this section should renamed

Ambrosia10 (talk) 22:58, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. A possible alternative approach to the heading "In Māori culture" is to use "Relationship with humans".  An example of this heading is in the FA Song thrush and some other FA bird articles I looked at.  If this approach was adopted, there could be sub-headings "As taonga", "As food", "In Māori mythology", "Citizen science projects" and "Bird of the year".  Plus I have just found that an image of the kererū was on the 3rd series of our $20 banknote .  That could also be mentioned in this section if the heading was changed. Marshelec (talk) 23:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I like this proposal. I could slot in "In archaeological sites" before or after "in Māori mythology".--Gertrude206 (talk) 06:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Is it worthwhile making web archive copies of all the sources that aren't yet archived ? I know this is probably not essential for preparing this article for GA review, but I could get started on archiving if that would be generally helpful.  Which ones can be left because they are in enduring, stable platforms ??  (eg JSTOR perhaps ?) Marshelec (talk) 22:20, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need to. There is a "bot" that automatically does this for Wikipedia article references. Unfortunately not every website can be archived by the Internet Archive Wayback Machine as some webpages don't allow this. What I have already done is link those that have been archived and double check those that appeared not to have been archived. And yes, some I haven't bothered to check as they are in stable platforms with (hopefully!) stable url links. The links that are "bare" are because I couldn't find either a url nor an archived version of a url for the publication. If you do manage to track anything down about those particular references I'd be VERY grateful! Ambrosia10 (talk) 22:58, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Cool. I have just found another nice source that itself has useful citations.  I will need to go into the Alexander Turbull Library to find one of these, from the Ornithological Society of NZ News from 1993 that has details of the display flight behaviour associated with courtship (I have witnessed this behaviour myself many times - it is really impressive).  This will hopefully help me to improve the content on that topic that is weak at present.Marshelec (talk) 23:37, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I was also able to (eventually) contact the copyright owner of a great video clip showing courtship behaviour, and get this uploaded into Commons so I could incorporate it into the article. I think this is a useful addition - the video shows almost exactly the behaviour that was described in the content. :) The video clip is now in the section on breeding: Kererū. Marshelec (talk) 04:10, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Exoplanet (incorrectly?) named after Kererū
The article claims that an exoplanet was named Kererū after the bird but the linked article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_137388) says it was named karaka after the plant. 222.153.46.32 (talk) 20:49, 19 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The star is called Karaka and the planet is called Kererū  Draco  phyllum  20:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Adding pronunciation (IPA, phonetic, or a spoken audio file) would be helpful, because many kiwis pronounce the R sounds as an ordinary vowel, but I believe it's a properly trilled yielding something like Kededu. Please correct me if I'm wrong though. Because then I'd have been mispronouncing the name of this fine fellow for years.

Chairs Adam Friedland&#39;s Soiled White Pants (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Apologies meant "R" instead of "vowel" in above comment. Also see the early romanisation of Kerikeri - arguably much closer in correct pronunciation. Crazy how something so simple as spelling can change language. Anyway Adam Friedland&#39;s Soiled White Pants (talk) 10:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)