Talk:King Crimson/GA1

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GA Reassessment[edit]

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As part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles' Project quality task force ("GA Sweeps"), all old good articles are being re-reviewed to ensure that they meet current good article criteria (as detailed at WP:WIAGA.) I have determined that this article needs some work to meet current criteria, outlined below:

Paragraphs are composed of three or more sentences; no less. All the one or two-sentence groupings need to either be fleshed out, merged with other groups, or cut entirely.
Frankly, the entire tone of this article is fannish, unduly idolatrous, or lacking proper tone. Examples: "To Fripp’s horror, both McDonald and Giles resigned from the band during the California tour", "Shortly afterward, the new band purchased a Mellotron (the first example of the band’s persistent involvement with music technology) and began using it to create an original orchestral rock sound which would be an overwhelming influence on the nascent progressive rock movement.", "It was definitely a break from the blues-based hard rock of the contemporary British and American scenes, presenting a more Europeanised approach which blended antiquity and modernity", etc.
There appears to be citation concerns: for example "After playing shows in England, the band embarked on a tour of the United States, performing alongside many contemporary popular musicians and musical groups, and "astounding audiences and critics" with their original sound." is sourced to [1], which never mentions the quoted material. Likewise the Allmusic source is used to support "Robert Fripp – a guitarist who did not sing – responded and the trio formed the band Giles, Giles and Fripp. All three musicians were originally from the Dorset area. Based on a format of eccentric pop songs and complex instrumentals, Giles, Giles and Fripp recorded several unsuccessful singles and one album, The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles and Fripp.", yet no singles, eccentric pop songs or complex instrumentals are mentioned.
Lots of dubious unsourced statements throughout, the most egregious being "From the start of 1970 until mid-1971, King Crimson remained in a state of flux with fluctuating line-ups, thwarted tour plans and difficulties in finding a satisfactory musical direction. This period has subsequently been referred to as the "interregnum" - a nickname implying that the "King" (King Crimson) was not properly in place during this time. In retrospect, this interruption in career momentum can also be seen as the reason why King Crimson never attained the commercial heights of Genesis, Yes or Emerson, Lake & Palmer (all bands that had been profoundly influenced by King Crimson’s initial work)." Quoted segments of citations for "The earliest example of an unambiguously improvising King Crimson on record is the spacious, oft-criticised extended coda of "Moonchild" from In the Court of the Crimson King" mentions nothing about unambiguous improvisation and how the song was "spacious", let alone how two reviews constitute a quorum of reviewers necessary for the assertion.
There are lots of typographic errors, issues with spacing, improper dash usage, unformatted/improperly formatted refs, and mixed usage of curly rather than straight quotes.
Finally, there's a problem with scope. The article seems to ramble on, with lots of unnecessary detail; I don't see why the fourth level headers are very necessary in most cases (and considering they are hidden in the TOC, they're next to useless.) Perhaps stripping out the peacock terms would help, but I think it still would need to be more concise.

Given the range of issues and the problematic use of sources in the citations I have audited, I am boldly delisting the article from GA. If you have questions or comments, take them to my talk; I don't watchlist old reviews. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 00:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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