Talk:Kingdom of Singapura

Untitled thread, March 2015
This gold armlet, found at Fort Canning Hill, dates back to the 14th century — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2406:3003:2019:163:c62c:3ff:fe16:ad03 (talk) 11:02, 11 March 2015‎ (UTC)

Serious problem with article
This article is written as if the story as described in Malay Annals is completely true, and is full of dubious assertions. For example, the claim that Wang Dayuan's account refuted the Portuguese accounts is really odd, given that Wang preceded the time of Parameswara by many decades, it is impossible for Wang's account to refute anything about a later date. Another claimed that Sri Tri Buana was "officially recognized as a sovereign by an envoy of Yuan Emperor", how can that be true when there is no record of Sri Tri Buana in Chinese history? The article seems to be deliberately stretching the truth to present what is questionable as real. I have removed some of these, but there are a lot more. This article needs a serious overhaul. Hzh (talk) 01:32, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Note also that many historians doubt the existence of most of the kings (only Parameswara may be considered a genuine historical figure), and they thought that Singapura/Temasek was a vassal state of the Majapahit and the Thais in the 14th century. That a significant settlement existed in Singapura is not under dispute, but the existence of the line of kings as described in the Malay Annals is. The issue of the historicity of the kings extends to their individual articles and how they are written. Hzh (talk) 17:03, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Re-writing
As indicated above, the article needs rewriting. The emphasis on the narrative as given by Malay Annals needs to be balanced by other views, some of what's written are also interpretations not quite in the original sources, not even in the Malay Annals (you can read a translation of the Malay Annals here). There are also what appear to be copyright infringements with extensive copying from copyrighted sources, therefore would need to be rewritten or removed. Hzh (talk) 16:24, 7 February 2017 (UTC)