Talk:Klingon

Klingon Ships
Its not entirely true that no klingon ship is seen until season 3 of the original series. Whilst no D7 warships are seen a small klingon scout ship is in fact seen in "Friday's Child" a season 2 episode. 58.175.66.42 (talk) 15:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Nazi Klingons
why is a klingon logo on a nazi flag passed of as a klingon flag? can anyone cite one usage of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.241.193 (talk) 11:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

/Archive 1: Jul 2003 - Jul 2006
 * There is no section that discusses this in that archive. Mkdw talk 20:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Addition to "Possible future" section
In episode "all good things" the Klingons had completely taken over Cardassian space. This is one possible timeline for the Klingons.

-G hang on, i thought the klingons had actually taken over Romulan space ,i will check Stuho1mez (talk) 23:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC) Yes I was right, there isnt a mention of a takeover of Cardassia. See the heading: Alternate Timeline Stuho1mez (talk) 23:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Begin2
I added an entry on the Klingon fleet in Begin2 largely to back up my similar entry in the Orion Syndicate page. It may not be considered sufficiently important here. Feel free to move to trivia or remove altogether.

i thought the last half of the sentence, of the first paragraph,"where kligons resembled an insect chewing his face off, or plastic surgery" was written in an obviously un-neutral view, and could be considered the author's opinion. paranoia2K 20:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

First picture
Does anyone else find it strange that the first picture in the Klingon article is of a mutated Klingon? It seems a regular Klingon would be more appropriate.

ChunkySoup 19:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

You're probably right, though it's worth noting that the picture is of how Klingons were long, long ago, I believe. -- General Wesc 20:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, the picture of the ostensible Klingon mutant should not be the first picture of a Klingon people see. And it's taken from an extremely questionable episode, no less. The first Klingon picture people see when they come to this page should be someone like Gowron dressed in Full Klingon armor, because that's what the quintessential Klingon warrior looks like currently in the Star Trek universe. Mnpeter 18:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Language
Shouldn't this also direct you to the Klingon Language? Dose anyone know how to do that? --Steinninn 19:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * My mistake, it's already there. --Steinninn 19:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

klingoneese
I remember reading somewhere that klingonese was an entirely different language, and not the official klingon language (unfortunately, I don't remember where, so I can't back that up. Bawolff 23:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You are right, indeed. You can read that on the page about the Klingon language. I quote that page:
 * "Klingon is sometimes referred to as Klingonese [...], but [...] refer to another Klingon language that is described in John M. Ford's Star Trek novels as Klingonaase." --Quvar 08:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone have a copy of the Star Trek joke book from the 70s? All I can remember is that "Klingons fart in airlocks"

Has anyone ever pointed out that Klingon is a harsh language which sounds like Russian to unaccustomed ears? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JRK Josh (talk • contribs) 21:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, Russian doesn't sound like "a harsh language", to unaccostumed ears or otherwise. Don't confuse "movie Russian" with actual Russian. 190.191.241.91 (talk) 04:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Interbreeding. Trills.
I might have misinterpreted what I've read about the Trill/Klingon interbreeding, but I think its right. If not, Trill crosses still need clarification as this would certainly be considered rare and is not the normal man-woman mating relationship.

A further expansion on interbreeding should probably include how the practice is generally frowned upon by traditional Klingon culture at large. (Very much an ancestorially oriented culture. Long bloodlines and all.) Aspenocean 07:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Clean-up
This article is written almost entirely in-universe, doing nothing to establish its actual notability in the real-world. A species that in multiple academic pieces is identified as stand-ins for the Russians doesn't include the word "communist", and the only appearance of "Russia" is in a block of original research. --EEMeltonIV 16:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

At the time, The US (Federation) was in conflict with the USSR (Klingons) and GENE was using his television show to explore why America was in conflict with anyone. The Klingons were stand-ins for the USSR (not Russia-at the time a part of the USSR). In Errand of Mercy, god-like aliens prevent all out war between the Feds and the Klingons. From Errand of Mercy, the worst parts of imperialism, not communism are explored. People are tortured and killed, resources are stolen by the invaders, and the secret police (KGB/NKVD)watches everyone, including Kor, who acts like a Roman Praetor. Later, when the movies started, and after years of fandom, the Klingons were rewritten to be like Japanese Shoguns and Samurai with a strict code of honor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.253.150 (talk) 12:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation?
Which is the correct pronunciation?


 * KLING-on (IPA: )
 * KLING-uhn (IPA: )
 * KLING-gon (IPA: )
 * KLING-guhn (IPA: )

―  韓斌 / Yes0song  ( 談笑  筆跡   다지모 ) 09:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * KLING-on (IPA: /ˈklɪŋ.ɔn/) Bat King


 * Thank you. :) ―  韓斌 / Yes0song  ( 談笑  筆跡   다지모 ) 15:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Who really gives a rat's ass???12.26.68.146 16:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sensitive Klingons :-) BroMonque 20:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Must be Kling-on because it's said the name Klingon comes from a script line :"Cling on tight!" Maxian D-C (talk) 18:16, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Klingonz (band)
See http://www.wreckingpit.com/psycho/bands/klingon.php3 -- Klingonz shouldn't redirect here. 199.46.198.234 18:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Crustacean-like ancestors?
The patterns, also visible on their feet and backs, vary by family line and are an evolutionary remnant of their prehistoric crustacean-like forms, when the Klingon ancestor had a more extensive exoskeleton.

This information is in so far confusing as the Klingons have common human roots with Romulans, Vulcans and last not least humans. The same episode where Worf is turned into a crustacean-like ancestor, all human crew members undergo quite inhomogenious changes (one into a Neanderthal, another into a spiderlike creature an so on). So according to me the Klingon physical features are not necessarily a consequence of some endemic Klingon crustacean ancestor. It could as well be some sort of earth based atavism that in theory could have also affected some human crew member. If there had been another Klingon on board, maybe he would have turned into another creature quite different from Worf's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.226.32 (talk) 13:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge in home planet
Would be best to place this one paragraph article in here, to strengthen this one and eliminate a stubby one. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

"Klingonz" redirect
the page for "klingonz," a psychobilly band, redirects here. if i were to make the page for the band, should I use the klingonz page with a disambiguation?

"Klingonz" redirect
the page for "klingonz," a psychobilly band, redirects here. if i were to make the page for the band, should I use the klingonz page with a disambiguation? --Emceelane (talk) 20:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Klingon Blood
Klingon blood is pink NOT violet you f*** tard! Watch the damn movie!


 * Having seen the movie in the theater as well as many times on DVD, it is definitely not true pink. It's somewhere between pink and purple.  Gee the term for that is...lavender or violet(-ish)?


 * And that was new to Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. In the first season TNG ep "Heart of Glory", mortally injured Klingons are shown with good, old H. sapiens--style red blood (indicating that the primeval seas of Qo'noS were iron-rich).


 * Of course, in STVI, the blood was CGI, necessary for the zero-G environment (a first for ST) aboard Gorkon's crippled ship. Also, according to the commentary track by director/co-writer Nick Meyer and co-writer Denny Martin Flynn, the CGI dept (ILM I believe) had trouble getting the blood to appear as the color they wanted, which was definitely not the Day-Glo result we see on the screen.


 * And if you're going to be so insulting, have the stones to SIGN your comment. Better yet, write like you're older than 13.
 * PainMan (talk) 16:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of blood, why was it deleted? Beatle Revolver (talk) 14:22, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * To what are you referring? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 20:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The only thing I can recall being deleted in some versions was the scene where Colonel West is revealed to be the shooter that Scotty blasts through a window. There's a bit of (obviously) human blood spilt. Alastairward (talk) 21:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No - at one time there was text about the color of Klingon blood - red vs purple. Now this text is gone.  Isn't this topic noteworthy?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beatle Revolver (talk • contribs) 20:03, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Removed as POV
Removed the following section as POV:


 * This added a new dimension to Star Trek fandom, and became another iconic sign of the scope which fandom could take on.

The factual statement that educational aids (CDs, etc) have appeared to help teach Klingonese suffices without the unencyclopedic fanboy gushing of the above sentence.

Plus, it's a badly written sentence, repeating "fandom"; also the word "iconic" is already used in the paragraph above the one from which this sentence was removed.

PainMan (talk) 10:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Klingons in Star trek II
The article says no Klingon was in Star Trek II, but there was on being played by Christopher Lloyd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.48.130.33 (talk) 13:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Lloyd (rather nicely) played a Klingon in Star Trek III. Alastairward (talk) 08:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

First language?
I do believe that Elvish was the first language to enter popular culture after the Lord of the Rings series was released. It had as much of a cult following then as it does now, so I put a citation needed thingy after it. Please look into that fact before making such bold statements. ForestAngel (talk) 06:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed it. The citation is found in the language section. Note that it's the first fictional language to break into pop culture; it certainly wasn't the first invented language or consistently the most popular, but it is right now. -- Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ( talk ) 14:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is perhaps an issue for higher up, but calling Klingon a fictional language doesn't make any sense: It exists. It's as real as any other existing language. By contrast, the language spoken by the Tamarians in the episode Darmok of TNG is a fictional language, precisely because it does not exist (i.e. it is only supposed to exist in a specific fictional context). If "fictional language" is being used to mean constructed language, there's no way this claim can be true: Esperanto has far more speakers, and was also around quite a bit longer. And as the "popularity" claim is based on the number of speakers, Esperanto remains the most popular created language ever. If, however, what was meant was a constructed language created for a fictional culture, I suppose Klingon would be it, but the claim doesn't seem very interesting. 76.167.253.199 (talk) 00:59, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Original Effeminate Klingons
I'd like to see some discussion here about why the original Klingons seemed very effeminate. Their threats to Kirk in the original episodes seemed rather weak! The original Klingons never seemed very tough or scary to me and maybe that's why they toughened up the Klingons for the movies and TNG. Don't just delete this... I've talked to a lot of Star Trek fans and many agree with me on this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.154.176 (talk) 15:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * In the Enterprise episodes Affliction and Divergence, it was revealed that the augment virus gave them human characteristics, nd took away some of their Klingon characteristics, including their personalities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.32.138 (talk) 23:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Props for mention of the ENT episodes. However, I do not agree that, in general, TOS Klingons are effeminate ("weak" is perhaps a better term here). I agree that in the lamentable "The Trouble with Tribbles" the Klingons and especially Koloth were rather effeminate. (Yes, I said "lamentable." While I enjoy the fun of TTWT as much as the next guy, it seems poorly written and played all around. When William Campbell returned as Koloth in DS9 episode "Blood Oath", though, he was Klingon-like again.) However, in "Errand of Mercy" they were not weak. In some ways, the cold calculating evil of Kor gives me chills to this day. Fool4jesus (talk) 13:21, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Although it is an unusual position for me to take, I found the claim the original Klingons "seemed very effeminate" quite striking, both because the claim seems odd to me and to see the term used that way. Unless solely defined by their lack of beefed up Klingon musculature and body armour from the movies and TNG-era, they struck me as fairly masculine humanoid males in both appearance and mannerisms. Kor and Kang, certainly. Koloth, perhaps a more interesting example. Campbell did play him a bit more like the vain, softer English aristocrat character Trelane [also Campbell] in the episode "Squire of Gothos". But then again, the English aristocrats then being parodied wouldn't have considered him outside the range of acceptable masculine behaviour even according to quite traditional ideas of masculinity. Traditional norms for masculinity in Western societies weren't limited to bulked up manual workers or stoic militarist archetypes. Restrictive by modern standards, perhaps to some ways of thinking, but not as narrow as that. Koloth just showed more of a sense of humour about situations than Kang did. Kang was a stoic. Kor had more of a dry wit. Random noter (talk) 22:01, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Discommendation redirects here
Discommendation redirects here in a rather confusing manner. It's supposed to link to the Klingon idea of discommendation from several other star trek articles, but there's no good section on it. Ideas? Sim (talk) 21:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect it somewhere else that actually makes sense. -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 23:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've pointed it to censure, which is the same basic thing, just in a non-fictional sense. -- Sabre (talk) 00:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Klingons in deleted scene of new Star Trek film
Earlier this week, I posted a section explaining the Klingons' appearance on a deleted scene in the new Star Trek film. That section was promptly deleted, despite citing a viable reference. So I must ask this question: Should their appearance in the new film be mentioned in this article at all? Areaseven (talk) 02:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As it's a deleted scene, it's very canonicity is highly questionable. So it's better not to include. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 03:04, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I would have to agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A.M.Lewis (talk • contribs) 00:25, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Canonicity and a trivial nature perhaps. We don't see much of them, they're all masked, so it's a section to mention their clothing in a half minute long scene basically. Alastairward (talk) 12:16, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Those scenes were deleted for time, not for removing them from the film's "canonicity". In any case, this is an encyclopedia, so canon doesn't apply. Jackal Killer (talk) 21:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

The first fictional language to break into popular culture?
I think there should be a citation for the claim made in the introduction that "Klingon became the first fictional language to break into popular culture." The history of fictional languages, such as those of Tolkien, precedes the existence of Star Trek. I don't wish to dispute the claim, as it very well may be true, but it either needs to be referenced or reworded. --n-k, 19:01, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * PS, I apologize for making a new section rather than adding this to "First Language?" which makes essentially the same request. --n-k, 19:03, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Klingon, though originally fictional, is so widely spoken it's not an "official" language. Elvish, and the other languages developed by Tolkien, are both less-known and less-spoken. Klingon is in popular culture, as evidenced by people treating people that speak Klingon as nerds. They actually know it's a language. As for Tolkien's languages, most people are aware they exist, but not that they're as developed as Klingon or that people actually speak them. Jackal Killer (talk) 21:52, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Devising "dialogue" vs. devising a "language"
In the section on the Klingon language, it says: "The Klingon have their own guttural language that was developed for the feature films. For The Motion Picture, James Doohan, the actor who portrayed Montgomery Scott, devised the initial language heard in the film.[32] For The Search for Spock, Marc Okrand, who created the Vulcan language used in the previous film, developed an expanded Klingon vocabulary based on Doohan's original made-up words.[33]" This is misleading, as James Doohan did not devise "the initial language" but merely a bit of completely arbitrary dialogue. The actual language was developed by Okrand later. Similarly, Okrand never "created the Vulcan language," but merely created arbitrary sounds which would match the lip movements of the actors who had originally spoken English. I am going to correct this. --N-k (talk) 21:33, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there may be something in the special edition DVDs of the Original Series movies that backs you up. Something about Doohan coming up with the guttural sound of the language, and Okrand working around that to come up with an actual functioning language. Alastairward (talk) 22:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

klingon glyph in wikipedia logo
The article cited doesn't mention a klingon symbol in the logo. ~janus zeal (talk) 19:40, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * FTA: "He said he tried to pick characters that were from a wide range of languages (including Klingon in the far upper right)..." Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 20:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

'u' (opera)
There is an opera entirely in the Klingon language. See 'u' (opera). At least two of the Star Trek series have discussed Klingons' passion for opera. Shouldn't there be something in this article about that? -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:11, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Influence into the *real world*?
If it has, what has more influenced contemporary days warfaring: Bushido or Klingon? --Alien4 (talk) 09:15, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Klingons have appeared in more than 8 of the feature films
The article states "Klingons are recurring antagonists in the 1960s television series Star Trek: The Original Series, and have appeared in all five spin-off series, along with eight of the feature films." Their ship was destroyed by V'ger in Motion picture. They were the main antagonists in Star Trek III, a Klingon Ambassador pleads to have Kirk extradicted in Star Trek IV, Klingon Captain Klaa and the diplomat Korrd were in Star Trek V, they were the main focus of Star Trek VI, the Duras sisters destroy the enterprise in Generations, Worf was in First contact, Worf was in insurrection, Worf was in Nemesis, and they were on Qo'nos in Star Trek into darkness. That's 10. 143.85.5.18 (talk) 20:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Ventriloquist Klingons?
Only once did it appear that the Klingons had the ability to alter their voice registers and patterns to precisely duplicate anyone's voice. This was depicted in an episode of "T.O.S" where Kirk and Spock were made to fight deadly, historical replicas of Earth, Kronos, and another planet, the former allied with the patriarchal figures of Earth and Vulcan. the "image" of Sarek, and Abraham Lincoln were lured by a replica of a historical Klingon warrior who "perfectly" mimicked the two former replicas into a trap. No further mention was ever made in the "canon" of "Star Trek". --184.248.4.182 (talk) 05:24, 7 February 2016 (UTC)Veryverser

"Superfluous" biology?
The Klingon are described as having "superfluous" systems -- but wouldn't "redundant" be a better word inasmuch as the systems serve a purpose?--Jrm2007 (talk) 22:22, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 22:45, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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Conception and Portrayal in TOS
I have left the first para in "Conception" intact but suggest a re-evaluation and would be interested in views. The text currently cites sources, but I was struck by what seemed to me a bizarre interpretation of the Klingons in TOS. I have seen those episodes many times and would not have imagined any framework in which those portrayals could be described as showing the Klingons as "like animals" or not having any redeeming qualities. Kor is shown as clearly a 'man' of honour and intelligence, even sensibility and a dry sense of humour. Kang is more of a stoic, but well within human-comparable norms and stoicism has traditionally been regarded as a virtue among us. Koloth is practically a Klingon bon viveur. Kang's wife Marta seems entirely within the range of personality types always open to a human woman.

Lower ranking Klingons seem blunt spoken and occasionally inarticulate, but some seem skilled in verbally provoking humans. All in all, comparable to the usual depiction of Starfleet redshirts- stereotypes of working class soldier/sailor types very familiar to a 60s audience.

How did all that add up to the decription of the Klingons as being like animals or having no redeeming qualities? Was it meant to refer to early script or show bible treatments rather than the filmed episodes? If so that did not read clearly in the article. Is this just a severe example of "Your mileage may vary" because all the Klingons loved war? Because that was probably even more true of the TNG era than of these early Klingons.

I must really be missing something here. Random noter (talk) 22:23, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Completely agree with everything you said here. I haven't seen the source used for that statement, but I have to wonder if the text here is really a faithful interpretation of it. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)