Talk:Korean Wave/Archive 1

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Hi Borgqueen!

I don't quite get why you put the -Tag in the article, it looks okay to me. Please explain. --Mkill 19:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It is ironic that I am Korean and I feel it sounds WAY promotional :-) IMO some negative view or criticism should be present in the article, for the sake of balance. Even among Koreans themselves there have been skepticisms for the phenomenon... I've considered to add the thing myself but it is more difficult when you write on your own culture. Hoping someone else would do it, I had applied the tag. But perhaps it is a better approach to discuss this issue on the talk page of the article. --BorgQueen 20:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Political issue
The Korean wave is not a political issue, it's just pop culture [1]. There is no need for politically correct neutrality, positive-negative, or whatever. Just stating the facts is enough. As far as the facts go, the article is okay, there is no doubt there is (or has been) a craze about the stuff. Even the mother of my girlfriend was affected (being a middle-aged Japanese woman, no surprise there). I'll just remove the advert tag.

[1] Yes, there are people who feel everything is political. They should just relax. --Mkill 20:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

The government does use protectionist policies regarding movies; it's a matter of debate in the run-up to the possible free-trade agreement with the US. I'm going to abridge the slightly redundant part about the korean goverment not subsidising entertainment exports (it feels mroe like a pre-emptive defence than factual, anyhow)

--Cruci 20:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Romanization
Someone is very determined to change the romanization of this word to "Hanryu," both here and in South Korea's article. Please note that under both the Revised Romanization of Korean and theMcCune-Reischauer system, the ㄴㄹ sequence is represented by "ll." Thus, even though the word is made up ofhan + ryu, the compound is correctly romanized as hallyu ... which also correctly represents the Korean pronunciation. -- Visviva 07:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Americanized
I've noticed a lot of K-POP songs and their lyrics contain a lot of English, including even their BAND name! Fin KL is a Korean band; so why is it in English (even if it supposedly doesn't make sense in English to begin with)? Has Korea been Americanized just as Hong Kong, China, and Japan has??

It seems like everything I see, from their lyrics, to their band name, to their performances... It all contains English -- what happenned? Is this common in Korea / K-POP, because I see this happening in Chinese and Japanese culture just as much. It's kind of depressing. 165.196.149.50 18:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Seeing this is a discussion page, I can speaking my mind. I believe the English naming convention is caused by the Korean entertainment system's ultimate goal of reaching the western market. There are several problems with using Korean words when pushing entertainment products to the west.


 * One, there is a problem with romanization. Reading other Korean articles, there always seem to be a fight between individuals who want to push their method of romanization. As a result, what you'd end up with are several variations of names for just one Korean drama or song. No two groups of people can settle on any given romanized name. And this would create a marketing nightmare.


 * Two, cultural identification. To explain cultural ID as an American, Americans specifically are generally turned off on anything Asian. Even if a product is pure Asian, most people won't try it unless it visually and culturally appeals to them. For example, the Japanese super hero show Power Rangers had to be re-written and re-filmed to include non-Asian people. Although there are over one million Koreans living in the U.S. alone, trying to sell a Korean TV show or CD using anything other than English names is very difficult to do. Even in Hong Kong, the korean wave is huge, and a large majority of people there speak and read English. I believe the execs in Korea have figured all of this out, so just about every drama has an official English name, along with the original Korean name.


 * The use of English is also happening in Japan, but for a different reason. In Japan, English is considered very cool. Many of the Japanese entertainers try to use English in many of their artistic works because right now it is the kakkoi thing to do. One of my friends, Ito Yuna, is an American, and is currently working in Japan as recording artist for SONY. People in Japan are always asking her to speak in English just so that they can hear what English spoken by a native speaker sounds like. Other than the kakkoi aspect, you don't see the Japanese use English for marketing purposes simply because they're not adimate about marketing their products in the west like the Koreans. Groink 01:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Reasons
Maybe there's another reason: a female Chinese college student friend told me that she watches Korean dramas mainly because she believes the men are very good looking. (I guess in contrast to those in Chinese dramas?). Badagnani 05:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

One of the reasons for the growing Korean wave is the influx of good looking actors. K-dramas are mostly aimed at women although it is spreading among older male generations. —Preceding unsignedcomment added by 99.238.19.22 (talk) 00:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Korean music is hyped to within an inch of its life. The fact that it is mediocre and unoriginal hardly counts. — Preceding unsigned comment added byBaroquesmguy (talk •contribs) 02:41, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

The IPA cleanup tag
I don't think I can find a place where IPA is needed in this article, is it ok to remove it?--A10203040 05:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Go ahead.--Ryoske 10:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Coined by Beijing journalists
The name as in Chinese was already used in Hong Kong some years before 2001, when the radio programme 韓流襲港 was launched on the Supercharged 881 channel. Was it really coined by journalists from Beijing as late as 2001?&mdash; Instantnood 20:53, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup and citations needed badly
The structure of the article is okay but it is full of statements that absolutely must have citations, especially in the "current situation" section. Almost every sentence there could needs a citation or should be rewriten without such specific examples. Also there is too much opinion and too many opinion-based general statements in the article, statements about buffed Koreans, Koreans being considered the Italians of Asia, Asians audiences (which?) being cautious of western culture's "corrosive" influence and sharing the "same issues" as South Koreans. All of these statements about "Asians" and "Asian audiences" (billions of people BTW) are far too general and unreliable, especially considering they are all uncited. A little rewrite would do this article a lot of good; stick to facts, cite sourced statements and figures, and leave out the broad statements or put them into some sort of context. --Dreko 01:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

"A hearty diet and two years of forced military duty, industry leaders and fans insist, have also resulted in young South Korean men having the most impressive physiques in Asia."

This statement is chauvinistic nonsense. First of all, two years of compulsory service doesn't guarantee anything, especially if it consists of clerical duty. Secondly, I would hardly consider Korean portions necessarily hearty (I'm Korean, by the way). It's chauvinistic lies like this that garner the ire of other Asians. No wonder we're ridiculed by so many other nationalities. Besides, Korea's time in the sun, like Japan, is limited. This article is a travesty--please rewrite it.

Nonsense? Far from it. The compulsory duty is designed to turn young boys into men and prepare them for war. One of the attracting qualities, among women, are toughness with a soft side(so to speak). Most physiques require more than 2 years military training to develop. By the way the above commentor is not Korean, what he is saying is common anger among other Asian men who become marginalized because of the Korean men in hallyu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by99.238.19.22 (talk) 00:02, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I live in Seoul, and the men are DEFINITELY not "buff" - most men here are relatively small (by western standards), wear glasses and are quite nerdy-looking. Of course, those men tend not to star in dramas and boy-bands. —Preceding unsignedcomment added by 125.240.61.2 (talk) 05:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

As ridiculous as this is (Korean men dress gayer than metrosexuals in the States, and men's cosmetics are taking off as its own industry), Koreans do have a pretty hearty diet versus other Asian countries. Where I used to live in Itaewon, Seoul, there would be daily buses of Japanese and Chinese tourists who would stop at the shitty overpriced "local" restaurants like it was a pilgrimage to Mecca just for the novelty factor of having (by their standards) extremely large portion sizes. 71.230.116.74 (talk) 01:42, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Korean dramas ARE NOT popular in Mexico!
Korean culture or Korean wave is mostly Asia, North America, and Southeast Asia. Regarding to Mexico. Tell you a truth as Korean. Who cares. Mexico isn't really important for Korea compared to Asia, North America, and Southeast Asia. So all you Mexicans must chill. Korean drama's aren't playing in Mexican Media again who cares.

"Even in Mexico -- land of the telenovela -- a flock of local women stood outside South Korean President Roh Moo Hyun's hotel during a recent visit, holding placards with Korean stars' names"

Who the heck writed this? I'm a Mexican and I can say that Korean dramas (or anything that came from Korea) aren't popular nor very well known in my country (In fact, Mexican TV channels prefers to broadcast a Japanese or Chinese TV series rather than a Korean TV series, because Koreans have a very poor reputation in Mexico)I will proceed to delete this lines. --Luisedgarf 04:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Interestingly, that was actually a copyright violation fromthis Washington Post article. So thanks for removing it; I've removed the rest.  Of course, the matter of copyright is separate from the question of whether the information is true or not.  Not only the Washington Post, but also theChosun Ilbo have reported this:  see.  So absent some sources to the contrary, this does appear to be true.  -- Visviva 14:35, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Also of interest might be this Mexican fan club. -- Visviva 14:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Weird, because I haven't seen any Korean dramas in Mexican TV, maybe it could be a fan club created by Mexican-Koreans fans. --Luisedgarf 19:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

This article is a bit more detailed in how its becoming popular in latin America.http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/03/229_12812.html —Precedingunsigned comment added by 99.238.165.215(talk) 08:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

by jose : i live in mexico and here koreans don't have a poor reputation and i watched in a channel one korean drama, jewel in the palace with spanish dub

A legit hallyu-related article
Gives a short summary about how Hallyu K-pop achieved its status today, and includes criticism of Hallyu-era performers, e.g. that they're simply "dancing machines". All in English.

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/11/16/200511160037.asp

- Pandacomics 02:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Hallyu Reaches America?
http://www.allkpop.com/index.php/news_rumors_full/se7en_prepares_for_failure/

Se7en has canceled all events in Korea and Japan in 2008 for his U.S. Debut. Many are skeptical that he will fail, and it isn't clear whether he is just taking one of his old albums and putting it in English or is making a whole new album. But either way, could Se7en's US debut be attributed to Hallyu hitting the United States?Xatticus 17:56 22 January, 2008 (UTC)

Its true. In addition, BoA will be debuting in America soon as well. Plus both Wondergirls and Lee Hyori were featured in Perez Hilton's blog. I think these (or similar) events should be wrtten under a subheading called "Hallyu in America" or something.. —Precedingunsigned comment added by 119.224.17.226(talk) 06:22, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

This is also an interesting article: http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=28331--84.171.112.243 (talk) 15:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Jealous Asian men
I am getting the feeling that there are alot of asian men(not korean) who are jealous of the success of hallyu and that they feel like they are being marginalized and called inadequate. I mention this because some of the article consists of cheap rationalizations of why its popular, with an underlying msg that it is nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by99.238.19.22 (talk) 00:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Jealous of what? Culture based on plastic surgery? You mad? --  李博杰   | —Talkcontribs email 11:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL so true^ - M0rphzone (talk) 01:28, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think asian male are jelous of korean wave, not in general, maybe some but its actually good for asian, we are now have more choice not only from the west, actually korean has lifted up asian male reputation in physical attractiveness from western point of view

alot of those korean - celeb fan website were not made by korean but by chinese, hongkongnese, or taiwanese, they even promoted those to the western audience thru youtube. But there is problem arises coming from korean themselves that getting arogan, starting to feel more superior than other asian, thus creates conflicts

- You know, there are some Korean celebs who are of Chinese and Taiwanese backgrounds. Owing to the widespread popularity of Korean media, Korean recruiting agencies are now looking for their next idols from many other parts of Asia. It's not completely centered around Korea. --Revy D. (talk) 16:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

one reason why korean pop culture is so popular among asian is because when asian (mostly teenagers) see these gorgeous looking korean celebrities that 100% asian it helped increase their own self esteem, an interview by cnn on youtube, a teenage girl from thailand explained how she used to be a shy girl but she feels more confidence about herself after being a k-pop fans, I'd say as asian myself asian sociologist and psychologist need to do more research on this, so far the impact of korean pop is very positive and supported by all asian —Preceding unsigned comment added by69.109.156.238 (talk) 05:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry to interfere with your friendly talk, fangirls. WP:NOTFORUM. And if you have something to "add" to the article, make sure you can back it up. --  李博杰   | —Talkcontribs email 11:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Hallyu in America
BoA is debuting in America, Se7en is debuting in America. Shouldn't there be something about this under the American section?


 * Why? Debuts by Korean artists is not proof of the Korean wave. There are many Italians, Spanish, Russians, etc. making debuts in America. That doesn't mean popularity of those cultures are growing. Groink(talk) 21:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I believe the Korean wave has struck the United States. The United States section of the article mostly mentions well established Korean singers debuting in America like Rain and Boa; however, a simple search on YouTube of Taeyang (a rising singer) and his song “Wedding Dress” expressively supports Hallyu reaching the United States. The first video listed under the search results has 968,617 views—nearly one million views in just two months since its upload. Such support, such as the translating and subtitling of lyrics into English, not only welcomes the arrival of the Korean wave but will hopefully keep the wave alive by allowing non-Korean speakers to understand the culture. Subtitling is not only present in Korean music videos but also in Korean dramas. It is not mentioned in the article, but Korean dramas have also reached extreme popularity in the United States. There are numerous forums, like d-addicts.com/forum, dedicated to Korean dramas and many websites that host such shows and even promote fan subbing, such as www.viikii.net. The community in America that watches Korean Dramas does not consist of only Asian Americans; Whites, Mexican Americans, etc. also share and contribute to those sites. Korean dramas are available online and are also aired on television networks like MBCD, reaching out to all of the United States with English subtitles. Aside from the media industry, America has also been influenced by Korean food. The fad today, especially among college students, is Korean barbeque. I have dined at Korean barbeque restaurants and have seen people of many ethnicities. At my most recent visit there was a young family seated nearby with the blondest and bluest-eyed kids I had ever seen. A bigger twist on the Korean food craze is the Korean taco. The infamous Kogi truck has made personal stops to the UCLA and UCI campuses and has been driving its way into the mouths of Americans. You definitely know Hallyu has hit America when two hour long lines form at Kogi trucks just to get a taste of the Korean and Mexican American fused food. (Ucstudent2011 (talk) 03:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC))
 * And not a single sentence in that whole paragraph answered the original question. Is that what they're teaching their students at UC - throw a bunch of stuff out there and hopefully something in it sticks?Groink (talk) 08:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

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My Sassy Girl & Winter Sonat images
I've removed these two images from the article, and not, I believe, for the first time. These are both non-free images, and per WP:NFC the article will need more than just a passing mention to allow their use here.PC78 (talk) 16:06, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, all imagery should be used in context. To place images into an article and not even write about it, or somehow fit it into the article???? Doesn't make sense. Groink (talk) 02:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

To the writers of this article: caution
This article REALLY overestimates the popularity of Korean culture outside of East and SE Asia. To describe how far Korean culture has gone in parts outside of these two regions, you should really use more modest terms.

Boxwineinacup (talk) 01:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, as most people in Europe have no clue about this, and I can only image would think it was similar the the 'Queen's Wave'. Just because one soap-opera played in Hungary once doesn't makes it a widespread panic to buy South Korean cultural products. European entries need removing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by87.113.246.23 (talk) 01:24, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think this article needs a total cleanup, deleting all unsourced statements and also deleting all unreliable source.
 * List of Informative articles:


 * Hallyu – die Koreanische Welle: Eine (neue) Form kultureller Diversität in Asien (Hallyu - the Korean Wace: A (new) form of cultural diversity in Asia) by Park, Sung-Soo, Choi, Eun-Soon and Chung, Ch.-S. Dury (Korea Maritime University, Korea)
 * Welle" (Korean Wave), Berliner Zeitung, July 4, 2008. (article about the popularity of Winter Sonata in Japan, China, Taiwan, Singapur and on the Philippine and Rain (singer))
 * Ralph Umard: "Angst vor Hallyu", Welt, August 15, 2007. (article about the Hallyu in Japan, China and the increasing influence in North Korea by smuggling goods)
 * Short concept of Hallyu, Korean Tourism Organization
 * 'Korean Wave' piracy hits music industry, BBC News. November 9, 2001.
 * "Hallyu faces turning point", Korea Herald, April 15, 2010. --Dr. Crisp (talk) 17:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I just reference to the 'korean wave starting to hit the UK' and it is laughable, as is the one lonely exhibition which supposedly supports this, this entire article in no way reflects any kind of sensible knowledge, it's all aspirational POV and requires a rewrite. Makes a mockery of wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by129.31.197.37 (talk) 15:59, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Where is Turkey
I found that Turkey is another country that have extensively imported Korean TV series, but where is the information? --Korsentry 02:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Korean Wave in the Philippines

 * http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/entertainment/entertainment/view/20100430-267339/Justin-Bieber-K-pop-darlings-lead-bubblegum-music-invasion--Dr. Crisp (talk) 06:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

and in India?:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life/parties/kolkata/Partying-in-full-force/articleshow/5898473.cms--84.171.48.57 (talk) 15:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Changing in Beauty Standard
I've been following Korean pop for sometimes, i realize that most people especially asian are obsesses over the more korean looking idols usually asian are more into caucasian looking people that is why most other asian celebrities usually are people with european heritage. but in the case of korean the more korean looking the more people like, and not only asian that feels that way but people all over the world this is the 1st time I witness this phenomenon the more asiatic or korean looking the more popular the person, and they do look better than the caucasian looking korean idols
 * Uhhh... What? Eastern Asians have always been into the Caucasian look. It goes as far back as the 1960s. Shiseido first brought up this idea in the early 1960s when it started using half-Caucasian models to show off its products in advertisements. But I've never heard of anyone say that certain people are more popular because they look Korean. If you go to sites like alllooksame.com, you will find that many people can't even tell Koreans apart from the Chinese or the Japanese. It's all in your imagination! You're attracted to a certain facial style/shape, but you'll find that these features are found in all Eastern Asian races. The mongoloid-related races are much too young for facial features to differ completely between one another. Give the races another million years of total isolation. Groink (talk) 04:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Pro-Korean Bias against critical responses to "Hallyu" and reliance on South Korean news sources
Unfortunately most of the sources cited in this article are South Korean newspapers.

Furthermore there any edits intended to remove the perception that any reaction against the Korean Wave _must_ be the some evil nationalism or conservativism are deleted. The claim, for example, that recent protests in Japan against Fuji TV are organized by right wing groups has absolutely no basis in reality and is simply trotted out by South Korean media as an explanation for why their country's government sponsored and underhanded attempt at soft power is failing. — Precedingunsigned comment added by 173.52.143.80 (talk) 06:05, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Another comment: this article is not here for you to boast and be arrogant. The use of words here exaggerate the phenomenon to unrealistic proportions. The wave is NOT a form of cultural takeover as many of you seem to think so. Also, the singers/actors(tresses) are NOT in a form of battle or underdog competition against other countries. The fact that the words even suggest this just shows how prideful, arrogant, and self-important many of these editors are. Korea is not important, and it never will be. (revised possible offence-M0rphzone) The fact that the Korean culture is spreading to countries does not mean that you have conquered everyone, nor does it mean that you are higher than everyone. Get that straight. The spread of other cultures are not depicted this way, and this spread is no different. Btw use less direct object phrasing and more indirect or complex sentence structures, otherwise the sentences just overclaim or oversignify the importance. - M0rphzone (talk) 06:31, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Agree with the two comments above. — Precedingunsigned comment added by 61.4.76.1 (talk) 15:45, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Although I can't agree with other users enough on the reliability of cited Korean news, the discussion has become somewhat emotionally charged. The rhetoric of South Korean entertainment news is obviously nationalistic, exaggerated and arrogant, and they tend to equate a commercial success (if I may call it this way, and if not we don't need this article in the first place.) of SK singers and actors with the nation's achievement. It's ayellow journalism that every country has with varying degrees. The citation issue can be solved by simply removing the unreliable source (cannot say yellow journalism as a reliable.) and replacing with reliable one. When we couldn't find a reliable source and have an unverifiable claim, then just remove the whole sentence and explain it as an original research or even POV. The talk page is not a forum, and I hope other Wikipedians could use it right: please focus on how to improve the article, and do not use it as a vent to express your emotion. Thanks, --- PBJT (talk) 05:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Regardless, POV is very evident in the article since it's written from a sort of "in-universe", fan-written style instead of an analytical, research-based style. (Caused me to get quite annoyed). - M0rphzone (talk) 02:30, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't understand what you mean by "in-universe fan-written style" at all. Again, no one object removing POV from the article, and I believe a consensus has been made on that. So just feel free to delete the contents that you find it POV. Thanaks, --- PBJT (talk)
 * I've updated the phrases with links to better explain what I meant. - M0rphzone (talk) 02:13, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant that this article is written from the POV of Koreans or fans (who want to boast about accomplishments) of Korean pop singers/groups or maybe this is because of the presentation of the given citations which already contain this sort of POV. Removal of the POV is actually a bit difficult/complex since the content is notable, but it's being presented in the wrong style (i.e. written in the wrong way). - M0rphzone(talk) 07:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I just rewrote some sentences to use less simple sentence structure and direct phrasing into more inverted sentences and different adjectives/phrasing for the similar meaning, but with less POV. -M0rphzone (talk) 07:38, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for the clarification, and also thank for removing POVs from the article. I fully understand how it could be a time-consuming job when you review other's contribution and trying to figure out its neutrality. I encourage you, however, to be bold: feel free to remove it, and I can support your editing when otherbiased users object to it. Again, thank for raising the important issue and I really appreciate your time and effort to make Wikipedia (including this article) better. Happy Editing! --- PBJT(talk) 07:56, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You can help too; at least do something other than renaming a section. - M0rphzone(talk) 23:14, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comment and suggestion. I'm not an expert on entertainment in general, and don't know many actors/singer to be honest. I'm actually a newbie in Wikipedia, and contribute mainly on South Korean politics and doing minor edits. (right now, my hands are tied on 2008 US beef protest in South Korea and trying to remove any liberal bias in that article.) But I'll try to fix Korean news citations when I have time. Many Thanks, --- PBJT (talk) 23:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Copy-editing needed - May 2012
I have added "copyedit" tag at the top of the article. The article being biased is one issue, and the other problem is that it reads like a direct translation from foreign media, in this case from South Korean newspapers. There are numerous issues that other Wikipedians have rightfully pointed out, and I must add that some of the paragraphs are not written in good English. Thus, major copy editing is needed and any contributions to improve the article will be greatly welcomed. Thanks, --- PBJT (talk) 23:48, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I've done a slight revamp and added additional background info on the effects and spread. This article is becoming outdated and needs to be updated to reflect recent events since the Korean wave is no longer a new phenomenon. - M0rphzone (talk) 01:26, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not hiding your comment, M0rphzone. This discussion has been dormant for two weeks and IMO nothing significant was discussed under this title since this was to notify that a tag was added. Anyway, I'm sorry if I archived an open discussion by accident. --PBJT (talk) 00:14, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Removed unencyclopedic content
I've removed the following sections due to the tone and wording of the content and because it contains synthesized original research not stated in the given references. Please rewrite it in an encyclopedic style and remove any original research and synthesized content before adding these to the article. - M0rphzone (talk) 22:18, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Overview
The start of the Korean wave can be traced back to 1993 when the Korean television drama, Jealous was exported to China as the first popular cultural product from South Korea. Then in 1997, another Korean drama called What Is Love All About broadcast on CCTV of China. The noticeable popularity of this drama helped set the stage for the phenomenon in China. Then in 2002, Winter Sonata recorded an unprecedented and phenomenal hit in Japan, setting off a truly gigantic Korean wave in that country. In the following years, according to one source, “the Korean wave moved forward to diverse parts of Asia, including Southeast and Central Asia, and therefore this wave reached an active penetration stage".

In the mid 2000s, the rapid spread of the phenomenon slowed, giving weight to speculations that the Korean wave will be short lived; some even claimed that the wave was finally over.

However, in the late 2000s, a 'New Korean wave' emerged with the popularity of Korean pop songs and idol groups. The Korean wave, once thought as a bygone trend, is hotter than ever, with Korean singers gaining fame all across the globe, not just in Asia. A K-pop concert was successfully held in France in 2011; more are scheduled to be held in Europe and the United States.

The development of the Korean film industry
The Korean wave is indebted to the media liberalization that swept across Asia in the 1990s. The period from the late 1980s to the mid-1990s was an important turning point for the Korean media, with the introduction of liberalization in the sector. Under US pressure, in 1988 the Korean government allowed Hollywood studios to distribute films directly to local theatres and, by 1994, more than 10 Korean film importers had shut down their businesses. This opening of the market to Hollywood majors affected the vitality of the local film industry in general. Therefore Korean cinema, which was ignored by local audiences, was drawing its last breath. In addition, a rapid increase in foreign television programming as a result of television channel expansion was also a matter of concern.

In this context, two factors awakened Koreans to the importance of culture and its industrial development. In 1993, when the common view was that there was no hope for the revival of the local film industry, Sopyonje, a film shot in a beautiful rural landscape that portrayed a declining trational folkmusic genre, unexpectedly topped the box-office chart with more than a million admissions - the first Korean film ever to attract such a large audience. The film also received unprecedented invitations for screenings in art theatres, and on college campuses in Japan, the United States and some European countries. Sopyonje revived nostalgia for and public interest in 'our culture'.

Against this backdrop, the Korean government estalished the Cultural Industry Bureau within the Ministry of Culture and Sports in 1994, and instituted the Motion Picture Promotion Law in 1995 in order to lure corporate investment capital into the local film industry. In addition, in their effort to create a cultural industry, Koreans emulated and appropriated the America media system with the mantra 'Learning from Hollywood'. It was argued that Korea should promote large media companies as well as a more commercial media market. In this regard, sprawling family-owned, big business groups in Korea, or chaebol, such as Samsung, Hyundai and Daewoo, expanded into the media sector to include production, import, distribution and exhibition. In the process, the conventional Korean developmental regimen of an export-oriented economy continued. In the context of the public's rising interest in 'our culture' provoked by Sopyonje, and the improved film-viewing environment enabled by chaebol investment, including expanding film choices and more convenient theatre facilities, Korean cinema gradually gained local audiences.

The development of the Korean pop music industry
In general, the Korean pop music market was not vibrant before the 1990s. However, after Seoul's 1988 lifting of restrictions on foreign travel, the country became more exposed to the outside world. With the sharp rise in disposable income in the early 1990s, many Koreans purchased satellite dishes to pick up Japanese stations and Star TV. Against this bakdrop, Korean music fans came to have a better grasp of global music trends, and hungered for new tunes from local musicians.

In this context, the three-man band Seo Taiji and Boys innovated the Korean music industry with hybridization of music. Each of their albums was in itself a musical experimentation. Since Seo Taiji, the syncretism of a wide range of musical genres in one album has become commonplace in Korea. What has come into existence is a hybrid but distinctively Korean pop style. Seo Taiji and Boys not only expanded the scope of K-pop but also the scale of the music market. With an endless crop of imitaition groups of Seo Taiji and Boys, sales of home-grown pop acts have outpaced foreign albums by four to one since 1982, the Recording Industry Association of Korea reports. As of 2002, Korea is the second largest music market in Asia with $300 million album sales per year.

Hallyu vs Hanryu
Hallyu wave seems to be the more common usage, 929,000 hits versus Hanryu wave 2,730 hits. Please discuss why it should be changed. Evaders99 (talk) 01:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've changed it back to Hallyu, since it seems Wajalama isn't replying. - M0rphzone (talk) 20:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I wish to suggest both pronunciation be included in the page. The correct RR of 한류 "should" be Hanryu . However, even Koreans seems to embrace "Hallyu", which I do not understand why. Lhong1987 (talk) 22:48, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Just a kind question ... can't you perhaps move these linguistic aspects into some separate paragraph or chapter ? Because it's a little off-putting, tiring, to stumble into this right in the intro, when you simply wanted to know what that Hallyu thang is all about. And i'm sure i saw word explanations / etymology separated, in other wiki places too. So i hope it's not against some wiki policy. --rosetta — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.213.133.10 (talk) 23:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

No mention of the Gangnam phenomenon: fail
This article needs to mention the Gangnam style phenomenon (reliable source). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:32, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's been added, but it's really something that's recent and has become somewhat overrated, although it did catapult the phenomenon to new heights by letting a wider audience find out/know about the Korean wave phenomenon. Gangnam style does not represent the Korean wave as the English/American media presents it to be, since Psy is not even really a well-known/famous/followed singer as the other girl/boy kpop groups (at least before the event). - M0rphzone (talk) 08:45, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * And to add to this: the only reason why he got so popular all of a sudden is because Americans and people from other countries view him as a comedian of a sort in addition to his funny appearance. His music video is comedy, rather than an actual kpop song. That's how he got so popular (and perhaps overrated like Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, etc.) - M0rphzone (talk) 07:34, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

No mention of StarCraft (2)
Even though starcraft was released globally and is not specific korean, it has always been extremely popular in south-korea. They have the best pro gamers world wide. A lot of people watch GSL (www.gomtv.net), of which nearly all players are korean. So their export is the tournament, the players and they give inspiration for the western world to set up similar events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.170.92.186 (talk) 07:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Samsung bullying Apple?
This sounds backwards to me. But in any case this statement needs further explanation (what actions Samsung took that would constitute bullying) and citation. Othewise it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.51.185.47 (talk) 05:21, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Removed, good catch Evaders99 (talk) 08:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

80% of Kpop revenue from Japanese market
Under the Japan section, it might be worth noting that 80% of Kpop revenue derives from the Japanese market. If one considers that Japanese segment of a combined South Korea/Japan market is only 70%, it would indicate that Kpop is even more popular in Japan than it is in Korea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.51.185.47 (talk) 16:25, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, you can add it in as long as you have a reliable source to cite it. - M0rphzone (talk) 01:52, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Consensus requested
I've done some major editing to the article, not sure if my edits have been desirable but if they are, Im thinking of re-writing everything below the economical effects section. I guess I would need the consensus to do so, because I will have to rewrite (and possibly remove) entire sections and paragraphs. -A1candidate (talk) 20:12, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * A rewrite would be greatly appreciated. The sections below the Economics section seem as if they were written by fanboys/fangirls, which many of the IPs (and possibly editors with accounts) who edit this article seem to be. - M0rphzone (talk) 23:46, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

International reactions section
Is there an need to include "international reactions"? I've noticed an epidemic of trivial "reactions" sections popping up in every news-related article lately, and I don't think it needs to spread to this article as well. If the section is supposed to list international reactions, there'll need to be reactions from other states besides the US, UK, and the UN. I say just remove it as it is inherently unhelpful and really serves no useful input other than the heads of states' opinion on the issue. They don't represent the population's reactions, which is what's important, since the statements made by heads of states to events like this are predictable and press release fodder for news media to report on. If it's to be a section that includes international reactions, then it will need to include many more reactions from other countries, but that brings up the issue of undue weight and the issues of being trivial. This extends to all those news/incident articles that include these "reactions". - M0rphzone (talk) 01:38, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Update: I've removed it due to the underlying issues of having such "reactions" sections. - M0rphzone (talk) 23:19, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Im not sure how much you know about the Korean wave, but its actually used by the S. Korean government as a soft power tool to exert its cultural influences on other countries. (This is even officially acknowledged by the S.K. government, albeit in a more tactful, diplomatic tone). No matter how you view it, the international reactions to the Korean wave do affect the Foreign relations of South Korea. When President Obama visits S. Korea and reveals the official US viewpoint of the Korean Wave, this could be included in the Republic of Korea–United States relations article instead, but Im pretty sure it would be of interest to everyone reading this article. I would consider rewriting it in prose instead of just listing every single statement though. -A1candidate (talk) 11:27, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, but I recommend writing it in prose. - M0rphzone (talk) 19:59, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Recent changes
Lets discuss some of the recent changes here-A1candidate (talk) 19:10, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Great work on streamlining the article A1candidate. Is there a specific problem you wanted to discuss? Stateofyolandia (talk) 19:13, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, its got to do with the heading I chose for the time period from 2000 to 2009 and also, what most South Koreans think of the Hallyu-wave (under "Historical background"). Im wondering if there's a way to rephrase this: Today, many South Koreans consider the spread of the Hallyu-wave to be the first time that Korea is able to make its mark on the world after being a vassal state of China's Ming and Qing dynasties, a colony of the Empire of Japan in the first half of the 20th century, and, according to some South Koreans, a part of America's Backyard since the end of Japanese rule. -A1candidate (talk) 19:27, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Strive is fine. I subscribe more to the school of "what would an encyclopedia say about the subject?" and it seems too editorial-like to generalize the whole dynamic of the underdog story. I'd say leave that to newspapers. Cheers. Stateofyolandia (talk) 19:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've moved the quotation by Kim Gu down to the end of the paragraph just before the "History of the Hallyu-wave" begins, I think the quote shows the historical background for the spread of the wave much better this way, what do you think? -A1candidate (talk) 20:13, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Global vs Internet?
From what I've read, Hallyu, especially Kpop is more popular on the internet than in a physical place somewhere in the globe. While it's true it has some popularity in Europe or US with some people, most people don't know what Kpop is/have never heard of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.4.206 (talk) 21:57, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Recent page move
Erm, User talk:Intershark just moved the page from "Korean wave" to "Koreanophile". I'll just say that this is the first time seeing this new term. Why dont we move this back and create a new page for "Koreanophile" instead? -A1candidate (talk) 14:36, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I've just moved it back. It needed to be done fast, until someone else moved the page somewhere else or a bot modified the redirect. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * By the way, "Koreanophile" is not even a word. --Moscow Connection (talk) 19:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thats true, I dont remember ever seeing that word in reliable, established sources. But Im wondering if moving this to "Korean Wave" would be a good idea? -A1candidate (talk) 05:44, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it would be correct to move the page to "Korean Wave", since "Korean Wave" is a proper name and not a type of waves. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:07, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Interpretation and contrast with European colonialism
This comparison to European colonialism seems to be unfounded WP:OR. Other mentions of soft power, cultural exchange, and Psy's 'Gangnam Style' are mentioned in other parts of the article. This section fails to provide support for this comparison. I think it needs to be pruned or deleted entirely. The entire article is about the Korean wave, which there is already adequate support for Korean soft power here. Evaders99 (talk) 22:52, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ''This is the only source that mentions European colonialism in passing. This article is all about Korean soft power and nowhere does it support a comparison to European colonialism.
 * Again this source does mention "cultural invasion" - but no where does it tie to European colonialism.
 * There are a lot of articles comparing the Korean wave with imperialism, I dont have time to cite all of them but I'll just quote from one "Dozens of research have been done regarding the 'Korean Wave' such as 'Cultural Imperialism' that have been done criticising global cultural assimilated phenomenon by Western cultural rule" ([www.cct.go.kr/data/acf2006/aycc/aycc_0601_Soo-Jung Kim.pdf Asia Culture Forum 2006]). But I agree that colonialism is a misleading term, I've changed it to "imperialism" instead -A1candidate (talk) 07:12, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not well informed on the research here. I could see there is probably an argument for Cultural imperialism, but Imperialism in the common usage seems a stretch. It seems like a false analogy or a logical fallacy here, but if there are sources found that support this, then I'll have no complaints. Thanks A1candidate for all your work. Evaders99 (talk) 08:00, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thats all true to a large extent. However, I do think its fair to make a comparison between soft power and hard power. We cant just talk about the former and ignore the latter. I agree with you the section needs more relevant sources. For now, I've hidden a large chunk of it, will come back to it when I have more time ,thanks for the feedback -A1candidate (talk) 08:30, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Some sort of analogy might be legitimate and founded, but the table, which seems to be of "original research", is completely, pardon me, ridiculous. 85.64.187.196 (talk) 19:55, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It does seem like "original research" to compare this like that to European colonialism. Cara777 (talk) 00:54, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

30 December: Undoing Big Block Removal
Hello all, I was trying to track down some spam image showing up in several articles when I found that this article had a huge section removed without any comment from the user. I went ahead and undid it. I am relatively new to editing Wiki, so I might have not done what I did in the best way. Please let me know if I should have done it differently. Regards, L31g (talk) 09:31, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Your revert was a good default/copy editor response, thanksas follows:
 * 1) unexplained WP:BLANKing is generally bad (two para's worth, in this case)
 * 2) unexplained blanking of long-standing content is generally double-bad
 * 3) unexplained blanking of long-standing content and WP:RS's is generally triple-bad
 * Welcome aboard and a happy new inter-solstice! Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 17:21, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

New Chapters Added by NTU, Singapore Students
Hello people,

We are 4 students from Nanyang Technological University who recently added a chapter called Hallyu and Tourism, connecting the Korean Wave to the tourist industry in South Korea. This, as a part of an assignment in a course called The Korean Wave. Hope you like it! Please don't hesitate to contact our user if any changes is needed!

Username: Hallyuntu


 * I hesitate to remove your contributions, as a Hallyu and Tourism section seems likely good information. But this addition, as written, is far too casual and somewhat advertising, non-neutral tone for an encyclopedia article. Lots of things need to be condensed and cut down, the far number of short paragraphs with headings seems fairly incohesive, more like a homework assignment. Sections like "Why is Korea Food So Good" and "Things for a K-pop fan to do" are pretty irrelevant. "Connection to Singapore" seems very unduly weighted to a point of view. I don't have any obvious guidelines, but maybe read through other Wikipedia articles to get a sense of how it is written. Policies like WP:NPOV and WP:TONE would be appropriate. I can't sense any meaningful way to edit it down without really scrapping it - perhaps others will find a better way, so in good faith I will leave it be. Evaders99 (talk) 02:02, 15 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Evaders99, I agree with you, and I think it should be scrapped. Cara777 (talk) 15:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, that whole section reads too promotional and like an essay. Cara777 (talk) 07:47, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Are tags like "Incomplete" or Outdated" really helping anything here?
I understand that there may be more material yet to be added to this article, but Wikipedia's nature is to be ongoing and evolving, and this topic is clearly a current event — the idea that it would be completely up to date or entirely complete seems foolish. By that logic, it seems like a huge number of articles on Wikipedia should be tagged "incomplete." The article is also 45 printed pages, now. If anything, it probably needs more editing rather than more raw material :)

Anyone object strongly to me removing the incomplete tag? I would prefer to remove "outdated" too, as it makes very little sense to me on a page that's seen so many contributions, but IMHO "Incomplete" is more egregious. Jm3 (talk) 21:13, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * OK, I'm removing Jm3 (talk) 07:31, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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Article organisation
I have just copy edited this article, and other than tone and organisation, the biggest change that I have made is to condense the long bit about tourism into one section (as two users above said a year ago, it's unencyclopaedic and isn't strictly relevant on this article.) That said, I still think the structure needs to be improved. In particular the section about the impact in all of the different countries is quite long-winded and doesn't really have any notability criteria. If someone can think of a way to solve that issue, I think the article would be much better. Yannaynay (talk) 22:31, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's so much better! I wish I had a better suggestion for the country bit too. Appreciate all the work you put in there Evaders99 (talk) 04:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that sorting the individual countries under continent headings might go some way towards cleaning it up, if no one has a different suggestion. Yannaynay (talk) 09:45, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Introduction dispute
Following my edit in which I condensed the Introduction considerably, user:121.214.161.155 has reinstated the old introduction saying that it is better, while in my opinion the old introduction was long-winded and contained large chunks of independent research or speculation, as well as needing grammar fixes. If other users could weigh in on which of the two versions would better serve future editors, or otherwise maybe merge the two into a satisfactory compromise? Thanks very much. Yannaynay (talk) 20:01, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I prefer a more condensed lead as well. However, the former seemed to vaguely lead from cultural export growth to Korean economy growth, which we all know isn't the case as their economy grew from mostly hard, physical exports. I think the economic growth sentence from before was a bit awkward and could be rephrased a bit differently. In addition, to appease consensus, you could add a bit more from the old lead to the condensed lead in a sort of a compromise. This is how I usually solve slight edit disputes like this and it usually works. I think you're the best we've got for the job so I encourage you to experiment as you always do. Also, if you want to attain eyeballs to talk discussions like this, I suggest adding the RfC tag. However, I think this is a minor case and doesn't really require RfC input. I'll tag your name now so you'll get the notification: Yannaynay. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 01:21, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I think after some time of playing games with the Australian IPs, I've been able to decipher that they—based on their edit histories—belong to a person of South Asian heritage in whose opinion there absolutely has to be some sort of a mention of South Asia in the lead. Nothing else seems to matter and can be changed, if I'm understanding the situation correctly. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 20:54, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You're conclusion is incorrect. My IP address changes all the time and you would see that it's not a focus on South Asia, the edits that I made recently under a different IP address were related to Southeast Asia and East Asia. You can't just say I'm South Asian based on a few edits, that is an absurd thing to do. In fact, the very first time I edited this page and reintroduced the original lead I had made edits to articles that were related to Malaysia and Singapore, based on that you might think I'm Malaysian or Singaporean or for the suggestion to change a map of the Chinese language in East Asia depicting the Philippines because it had incorrect information you might think I was Chinese Filipino. I find it very offensive that you have come to the conclusion of my "supposed" heritage based on a few edits, you did not even say "possibly of South Asian heritage" you said straight up, that you were able to "decipher" my heritage, you are incorrect. You also can't group every single region of Asia under "Asia". It is known that the popularity of them began first in East Asia, Southeast Asia and South Asia. It would be alright to say "Asia" if they gained popularity across every region of Asia (East, South, Southeast, Central and West Asia) but they didn't. I'm not sure what you mean, but there is a significant change in the lead of this article, how can you say, "At this point there's pretty much no change to the lead"? I don't know about you but I can see a very big change. I also do not like the way you said that my edit was "broken English" just because you do not agree with my edits, I am offended by your behavior. For your information I was the person who wrote that entire section about bowing in South and Southeast Asia in 2015 under the IP address, 137.147.156.148. (137.147.142.105 (talk) 04:37, 14 May 2016 (UTC))
 * I'm not talking about this article but other articles concerning South Asia the IPs have edited to a feverous degree. Another editor has stopped replying to your messages concerning South Asia... And the broken English edit was to another article and clearly had broken grammar, as it made no sense? --Mr. Magoo (talk) 08:33, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes I know that. I don't know why the user did not reply to me but that is not related to this. You have no right to be rude to me and bring in other edits that I have made and use them to attack me, that is what you are doing. This has nothing to do with "South Asia" but an attempt to not use the word "Asia" to refer to only a portion of the continent. I am not sure why you are attacking me for the edits I have published, you are being extremely rude ! You also say a "feverous degree", please give me examples of these edits. If you are saying the edit request made to World language is "feverous" then you are mistaken, the map displays incorrect information, that is not a "feverous" edit. Please tell me why you are angry at me, I'm not sure why you suddenly have a grudge against me to the point that you would follow me and look at my edits and revert one of them. Why are you doing this? (137.147.142.105 (talk) 09:14, 14 May 2016 (UTC))
 * You have a history of accusing editors of "targeting" you. You did the same to that other editor who's ignoring you. At this point it's just the boy who cried wolf. We were trying to improve the lead but you kept undoing it with little explanation of what was wrong with it. I had to go through hoops to eventually discover it's about the regional mention. Wikipedia editors are people. There's a person behind the screen who tires. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 02:08, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * What history do I have of "targeting" someone, could you give me some examples, please? I initially left "talkback" notifications and nicely told them that they have a reply waiting for them to read but they ignored me. Am I suppose to just accept that? How am I "the boy who cried wolf"? Well I apologize for not giving a thorough explanation for the reverted edits but the way you have barraged me is incorrect, I am a person as well. You still have not told me why you are using my previous edits to attack me, what is your reason behind this because the only thing I can think of is because I didn't give a proper explanation for the reverted edits? Please answer this, because so far you have not been able to. You have also failed to give me examples of these so called "feverous edits", could you tell me what these are? (120.144.152.167 (talk) 08:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC))

Requested move 18 August 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved No such user (talk) 09:12, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Korean Wave → Global popularity of Korean popular culture – "Korean Wave" is a WP:NEOLOGISM that is not WP:RECOGNIZABLE to most people who know about Korean pop culture. I'll produce more evidence of this if requested - Prisencolin (talk) 19:11, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose – No need for a strange constructed title. "Korean wave" is the default term in academic literature on the topic, as one can see by looking at Google books. RGloucester  — ☎ 23:17, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The title is literally just the lead sentence, so perhaps it that needs to be changed instead.--Prisencolin (talk) 18:50, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The proposed title is an inaccurate or at best an incomplete description of the article's topic which is a specific phenomenon "the increase in global popularity of South Korean culture since the 1990s" (my emphases) and not merely an account of the global popularity of Korean popular culture.  I also fail to see the problem of the current title in light of User:RGloucester's evidence and the widespread usage of the term for well over a decade; WP:NEOLOGISM simply is not relevant here.  —  AjaxSmack   04:40, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose I agree with the users above, the term is commonly used in the English speaking world to refer to the popularity of Korean pop culture and has its roots in the Mandarin-language neologism, Hallyu. Also, other Asian language (Vietnamese, Japanese and Nepali) names for the "Korean Wave" all translate to something along the line of the English-language "Korean Wave". "Korean Wave" is similar to "British Invasion" which was a term used to refer to the the popularity of British singers and bands in the United States, the name of that article has not changed and it's name is quite ambiguous. So, I suggest keeping "Korean Wave" because that term like "British Invasion" is an accepted term used to refer to the popularity of Korean pop culture in the world. (121.219.48.126 (talk) 12:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC))


 * Comment there is an article called Taiwanese Wave, which is probably more neologistic. Timmyshin (talk) 11:45, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


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I found some conflicting scholarly research for info in the Lead
The original sentence from the lead: "The term Hallyu, a variation of a Japanese expression using Ryu(流) as a postfix to refer ‘～way’, ‘~style’, ‘～group’, was first used by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism in South Korea in 1999, when the ministry produced a music CD titled in Chinese "韓流—Song From Korea". The term was adopted by Chinese media to refer to the success of South Korean popular culture in China. The term was reintroduced in Japan as hanryu or kanryu by the Asahi Shimbun in 2001."

I have updated it to: "While some sources attribute the term Hallyu, a variation of a Japanese expression using Ryu(流) as a postfix to refer ‘～way’, ‘~style’, ‘～group’[9], to being first used by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism in South Korea in 1999, when the ministry produced a music CD titled in Chinese "韓流—Song From Korea; other scholarly sources attribute the term's comeuppance from Korean television dramas first airing on Chinese television in 1997, naming the phenomenon hanliu meaning "Korean Wave"[10]"

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25703012?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents

If anyone has any other information/research to add or would like to edit the wording more let me know! I added the scholarly article I found through my research in the citations:)' BLeverich (talk) 23:31, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 5 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: ✅ While the amount of participation is lower than ideal, this move request is successful due to the already established capitalization policy Naleksuh (talk) 06:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Korean Wave → Korean wave – Per MOS:CAPS. Hiddenstranger (talk) 10:58, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:57, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


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No source
Hello i've seen in the page a statement without a source to support it. It's found in the section 1999–2010: Korean wave in Asian region and states that:

"In 2003, South Korean girl group Baby V.O.X. released a Chinese single entitled "I'm Still Loving You" and topped various music charts in China, making a huge fanbase there. Both "I'm Still Loving You" and their subsequent Korean single "What Should I Do" also charted in Thailand."

Hope there's a source for this cuz im trying to found one. EraKook (talk) 09:57, 16 October 2020 (UTC)