Talk:Koreatown

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There's a large concentration of Korean immigrants and descendants in some São Paulo districts, originally restricted to Bom Retiro (as already mentioned in Sé). Nowadays they have "scattered" (similar to what happened to the japanese community), eventhough a strong community still exists in Bom Retiro.

but I don't know how to phrase that correctly in a non-offensive non-prejudiced way.

Needs fixing
This page needs layout fixing, its too 'all over the place', we also need some photos as well. The info written about Koreatown in China needs to be more since there is a lot more to write about on the Hanguk group living in Koreatown in Bejing, sourced. ( Seong0980 02:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC) )

There are more than 3(?) Koreatowns in the US - please revise. This article has been damaged repeatedly. 66.27.215.103 (talk) 19:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Material that is uncited, off topic, or WP:Original research will be removed. This page is NOT about the Korean diaspora and loose discussions of where Korean shops can be found or where Koreans live are not on-topic unless those ares are identified as Koreatowns or Little Seoul etc.  Don't complain about the removal of either faulty or overblown information or claims about areas where other residents would not think of themselves as being a Koreatown.Skookum1 (talk) 20:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Koreatown, Vancouver does not exist
The article about this, and the content that was here, is entirely a fabrication and designed to promote individual businesses at those locations. There are no Korean ethnic enclaves in Vancouver, certainly not on Robson St nor does the one student-services shop at Pender & Seymour constitute any kind of "enclave", especially given the diversity evidenced by other busuinesses in teh same areas. Even the high-density Korean business area on North Road is not a Korean residential area nor do any other residents or businesses in that area consider themselves to be in "Koreatown". The Korean population in Greater Vancouver is widely dispersed, and Korean-language busineses likewise; if simply the presence of two or three storefronts constitutes a "Koreatown" that's a pretty sloppy definition, and would mean a good fifty locations in Greater Vancouver alone (never mind elsewhere). The Koreatown, Vancouver article is currently up for AFD, also, because its content is spurious, essentially spam and the facts on the ground don't support the claim that either area mentioned is a "Koreatown". It's a promotional concept meant to benefit the businesses at those locations (the downtown ones); the North Road area is not called Koreatown by any of the municipalities it's in (Burnaby and Coquitlam) and it's really not got any more concentration of Korean businesses than the Coquitlam Centre area or areas of Kingsway in Burnaby. None are Koreatowns. Please do not insult other businesses and residents of the areas in question by telling them that their neighbourhood is now "Koreatown"; Korean businessmen would like to create one, and in one case even tried evicting non-Korean residents to force the creation of a Koreatown. There is a large Korean community in Vancouver, and many Korean businesses; but there is no Koreatown.....Skookum1 (talk) 16:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * NB the Koreatown, Vancouvder article was deleted by the AFD process.Skookum1 (talk) 17:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have removed the re-insertion of the Vancouver section. There is NO Koreatown official or otherwise in Vancouver, although some Korean businessmen have eawnted to start one by kicking out white tenants; all reas named in the deleted material are also in use by other ethnic groups and there is no Korean enclave in Greater Vancouver; Toronto has declared an official Koreatown; Vancouver never will; too controversial, and Korean attitudes about creating one are seen as racist).  Pushing aside other groups in order to create a business ghetto focussed on one racial/ethnic group is planned bigotry.  I have my doubts about many of the other so-called Koreatowns on this page.  Citations as to the usage of Koreatown should be required not just "there's some Korean stores at Main Street and 4th AVenue".  Any "Koreatown" citations about Greater Vancouver would be about particular businesses wanting to promote their location, or plans to kick out non-Koreans that have been shot down.  North Road is the heaviest concentration of Korean businesses; but none of Burnaby, New Westminster or Coquitlam have been receptive to delcaring the area a "Chiantown" and non-Korean businesses in the area have objected to use of the term.  The dominant population in the area is heavily mixed - all kinds of Asians, lots of "invisible minorities" (freshly arrived european immigrants), regular ol' whitey, Africans, Latin Americans etc.  There's no way it's "Koreatown" except in the ethnic egotism of Koreans wanting to create one by excluding other groups.......Skookum1 (talk) 15:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry but I must disagree. I am a Vancouver resident. I have a Korean girlfriend and a number of Korean friends and when I am with them going to "K-town" means going to the west Robson area. I think Skookum is dead wrong on this one. Any visitor to Vancouver who takes a stroll down these several blocks on Robson Street would certainly be struck by the high density of Korean establishments and individuals. I will not edit the article, but I hope others with more technical knowledge of Wikipedia than myself re-insert a piece of Vancouver's K-town: west Robson Street.

24.207.25.94 (talk) 20:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)'''


 * That comes as news to all the non-Korean buainesses sand residents in that area; there are also lots of Japanese busineses, and those owned by Middle Easterners; the West End is not peggable as an ethnic neighhourhood and certainly is not known to anybody but Koreans as "K-town". A few eateries does NOT make a "Koreatown", and none of Vancouver, Coquitlam, or Burnaby have designated any such area despite some concentrations of Korean businesses (in areas that areas that are predominantly non-Korean, and where there are also other ethnic businesses - and in Metrotown's and North Road's cases a lot more than on Robson.  Just because there are Hangul signs does not make a place a "Koreatown".  There is no way that lower Robson is called "K-town" by anybody but, apparently, Koreans and pointedly the entry originally only mentioend two busineses and the Koreantown, Vancouver was being used to promote them (with no mention of the Montreal Fried Chicken, Vietnamese, French, late-nite desserts place of other non-Korean busineses right next door; certainly other businesses in that area would ojbect the designation.  Ditto with the Pender-Seymour area.  I've removed your bold and will move this paragraph to where it belongs, in the following section.  This article is not a directory of Korean shopping districts, or places that Korean merchants want to promote as Koreatowns as a way of pressuing civic governments to make the designation, and also to attract Korean tourists/customers.  Wikipedia is not a directory, and is not a shopping guide.  This article is supposed to be places that are designated or provably called "Koreatown" or "Little Korea" or "Little Seoul/Inchon/whatever''.  You and your friends are not a reliable source.Skookum1 (talk) 23:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * What criteria must be met for a geographical area outside of Korea that is a) home to many Korean businesses, izakayas, stores, b) frequented by many Koreans on a regular basis, c) visibly marked by a high density of Hangul signage to be considered a “Koreatown?” I’m very curious what specific requirements you think need to be met. If the only criteria is that the district be officially designated by legislation, bylaw or governmental decree as “Koreatown” then I would argue that such a Wikipedia page would be useless. Hypothetically, what if some local government designated a deserted factory as “Koreantown?” Would you consider this to be more of a K-town than the section of Robson Street I am referring to, which meets the criteria I listed above?


 * I also don’t appreciate the tone you are using with me. Again, I will not adjust the article because I am not confident enough in my abilities to make a professional looking Wikipedia article. But the small piece of Vancouver in question is definitely a Koreatown. You are just misleading people. --24.207.25.94 (talk) 23:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You are applying a loosey-goosey meaning to "Koreatown" that has nothing to do with Vancouver's geocultural landscape. I am very familiar with both locations that were claimed here to be Koreatowns, and any other resident or business in the area would be offended to hear that someone was promoting them as such.  Robson & Denman has a handful of Korean businesses, and is predominantly other things; the area around Pender & Seymour has businesses of all types; that there is a Korean Student Centre in that area does not make it a Koreatown.  and "what specific requirements I think need to be met" are very clear - non-biased sources which are not promotional and which cite the USAGE of the name "Koreatown" or "Little Korea" or "Little Seoul".Skookum1 (talk) 14:10, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a directory
This article is nothing more than a "where to shop if you're Korean" listing...."Koreatown" is a word in English, I find it hard to believe that Buenos Aires or Beijing have named/designated anywhere as a "Koreatown". Self-defining it and promoting its use does not make it a fact to non-Koreans; simply having some Koreans live somewhere or open a shop does NOT make a "town". This whole page is unreferenced and full of hearsay and subjective designations; only those places which are officially Koreatowns shoudl be listed and non others.Skookum1 (talk) 15:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

This page is Original Research
this is getting ridiculous; by labelling concentrations of Koreans abroad as "Koreatowns" when they are not so officially or historically designated by that name is WP:Original Research. Las Palmas may have the largest concentration of Koreans in Spain; that does not make it a "Koreatown"; most entries on this page should be deleted.Skookum1 (talk) 16:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a directory, Part II
With this edit I removed for the second (third?) time a completely spurious set of information about places in Vancouver some people are trying to PROMOTE as Koreatowns, but which have only a relative handful of Korean businesses amid non-Korean ones; and notably areas such as North Road, where an attempt to "declare" a Koreatown were shot down by non-Kroean residents and businesses, or the case of the strip mall in Surrey where non-Korean businesses resisted being evicted to make way for one (imagine if white people tried to evict non-white businesses to make a "white town"), there is no such place in Vancouver or Graeter Vancouver as "Little Korea" or "Little Seoul" or "Koreatown". There may be a Little Seoul Restaurant, for all I know, but there's nowhere that's a "Korean ethnic enclave" and Wikipedia is not a platform for promoting the creation of ethnic ghettos or ethnic-commercial marketing campaigns. If this continues, and it's clear it's also a problem in other country-sections, I'll take the step of renaming this article List of Korean commercial and residential enclaves, which is really all that it's becoming. ONLY places called Koreatown, Little Seoul, Little Korea, Little Inchon etc. are valid entries. NOTHING ELSE IS.Skookum1 (talk)

Merger proposals
I propose that Koreatown (Oakland, California) be merged back into this parent article. I think that the content in the Koreatown (Oakland, California) article can easily be explained in the context of this article, and its section in this article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of the other article will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. There appears to be no significant contribution from having an entire article devoted to this section. Recommend development of section in main Koreatown article. If and when enough legitimate and productive material can actually be added to that article, which hasn't been done so in its (long) existence, then a "spin-out" article would be appropriate at such a time. It simply doesn't warrant that now.

96.242.217.91 (talk) 16:58, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I propose that Koreatown, Dallas, Texas be merged back into this parent article. I think that the content in the Koreatown, Dallas, Texas article can easily be explained in the context of this article, and its section in this article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of the other article will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. There appears to be no significant contribution from having an entire article devoted to this section. Recommend development of section in main Koreatown article. If and when enough legitimate and productive material can actually be added to that article, which hasn't been done so in its (long) existence, then a "spin-out" article would be appropriate at such a time. It simply doesn't warrant that now.

96.242.217.91 (talk) 18:20, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Likewise with Koreatown, Toronto being merged back into this parent article. More striking here though is that this spin-out article has maintained a WP:Unreferenced tag since April 2008, for over 3 years. The content in the Koreatown, Toronto article can easily be explained in the context of this article, and its section in this article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of the other article will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. There appears to be no significant contribution from having an entire article devoted to this section. Recommend development of section in main Koreatown article. If and when enough legitimate and productive material can actually be added to that article, which hasn't been done so in its (long) existence, then a "spin-out" article would be appropriate at such a time. It simply doesn't warrant that now.

96.242.217.91 (talk) 01:58, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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Proposing a different infobox image
Hello, I found it odd that the photo in the Koreatown infobox does not depict any Koreatown and instead depicts a map of Korea. A map might be appropriate in a different part of the article, but displaying it at the top is rather boring and perhaps even misleading. Koreatowns are, by definition, outside of the Korean Penninsula. The Japantown article's top photo is not a map of Japan but a great shot of Japantown in Sao Paolo. If no one protests, I'll change the photo. Cheers! Crunchydillpickle🥒 (talk) 17:20, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Didn't hear anything so I went ahead and did it! Crunchydillpickle🥒 (talk) 03:09, 13 June 2023 (UTC)