Talk:Ktav Ashuri

Merger with "History of the Hebrew alphabet"

 * Oppose, since the article "Ashuri script" (Ktav Ashuri) defines a well-known script of writing known academically as "Ashurit" ("Assyrian" script"). Any histories of this script should be written or added here. As for the history of the Hebrew alphabet, its title would include the "Paleo-Hebrew alphabet," another form of the "Hebrew alphabet," which is a different script altogether used in writing.Davidbena (talk) 21:44, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't understand, are you looking at the same page? The article states up front that "Ktav Ashuri" is simply another name for the Hebrew alphabet. If you are of the opinion that there is a difference between the "Ashuri script" and the "Hebrew alphabet", perhaps you should edit the article to reflect this? Ideally based on some kind of reference? --dab (𒁳) 09:12, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * My friend, the reason for this confusion is because there are actually TWO meanings in modern-day usage for the words "Hebrew alphabet." The modern Hebrew script (such as what I type here: א - ב - ג - ד - ה - ו - ז - ח) is called "Hebrew," when, in rabbinic teaching, it is NOT Hebrew at all, but "Ashurit"! But what can we do, since that is the name by which our Modern Hebrew alphabet is now called. The rabbinic view (described by the rabbinic authorities of all ages, as well as explained in the Babylonian Talmud and in the Jerusalem Talmud) is that true or bona fide Hebrew is the Paleo-Hebrew script. So, you see, in this article it is good and helpful to scholars to make this distinction.Davidbena (talk) 10:35, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support merge. I see Davidbena's point, but there is already significantly overlap as History of the Hebrew alphabet section already discussed in some detail the Ktav Ashuri, and hence there is significant overlap. Scholars aren't so precious that they will only read content if it is on a page labelled Ktav Ashuri rather than in a section named Ktav Ashuri on a history-focussed page. Note that merges do leave redirects behind. Klbrain (talk) 14:13, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for the rating; any view on the merge proposal? Klbrain (talk) 21:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know enough about this topic to be able to give an opinion on the proposed merge, sorry.  Seagull123  Φ  00:31, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Duplication
As is made clear in the first sentence, "Ktav Ashuri" is simply the Hebrew name for the Hebrew alphabet. So this is patently a scope duplication with Hebrew alphabet, or arguably History of the Hebrew alphabet. Beyond that, it's a dictdef entry on a Hebrew phrase meaning "Hebrew alphabet". --dab (𒁳) 09:10, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * dab, Thanks for your comment. I think the major difference between these two articles, although they both refer to the same script of Modern Hebrew, is that one article treats specifically about the old term (Ashurit) formerly used to describe this script, whereas the other article (i.e. Hebrew alphabet) speaks on its modern-day designation (now recognized by all) and its general usage, development and history. It's like having an article entitled Canaan (the old name for the country), and also a separate article entitled Land of Israel or Palestine (region). All refer to the SAME country, but we do not call these "duplicates." It is because each article has got its different levels of emphasis and historical scope.Davidbena (talk) 10:53, 29 April 2020 (UTC)