Talk:Kurt Cobain/Archive 4

Courtney Love Murder Conspiracy B.S.
I removed a line about faked suicide from the first paragraph. I loathe Courtney Love as both an actress and a "musician"...but calling her a murderer without a bit of proof is wrong. 65.248.164.214 (talk) 16:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

PS: The person who wrote the lie is 216.109.11.194 65.248.164.214 (talk) 16:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Although the word murder is certainly too strong, due to the lack of evidence, the article does need to address the suspicious circumstances of his death, such as: ...forensically questionable suicide note, ...the lack of an autopsy and rushed cremation, ...the fact that the detective hired by Courtney Love came to the conclusion (based on taped conversations) that something was amiss ...and finally the fact that one of the reasons there is no evidence (aside from the dubious note) to support either suicide or murder is that the scene of the incident was thoroughly forensically contaminated due to poor management by law enforcement.

The word suspicious is merited. However, pointing fingers is not. Annoyed with fanboys (talk) 06:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * NO. The word suspicious is NOT merited unless offical authorities like the police or the cornoner describe it as suspicious. This article is not a place for insinuations and weasel words. Calling it suspicious based soley in the opinions of Wikipedia editors is giving undue weight to the conspiracy theory. Asarelah (talk) 21:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Experts have given opinions on the note and the final four lines being inconclusive, as was aired on dateline NBC, Unsolved Mysteries, etc... I'm not going to edit the page, as I am a newer user, but to just ignore the fact that there is circumstantial evidence corraborated by experts, besides Tom Grant, and the fact that members of Cobain's family do believe that he was murdered is a little skepticalPericolaso (talk) 00:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, the official authorities have their own problems with the truth, given how the lead investigator in the Cobain case, the same man who declared it a suicide, later resigned from the Seattle PD for fraud, and the coroner who conducted the autopsy commited suicide. There are a lot of weird things about this particular case that shouldn't be overlooked, regardless of what the final verdict should be.Pericolaso (talk) 17:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I doubt that she had anything to do with his death physically. But, on the emotional side, she is beyond guilty. Anyone thats read Heavier than Heaven or any other sort of biography would know that. Its obvious that there was trouble in paradise so I do believe calling her a murderer is just fine. Ashleysayshello (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain's descent

 * Why it has been omitted that Kurt was of German and Irish descent? ROnnie S.89.138.143.41 (talk) 22:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

WE HAVE WIKINAZIS ROUND HERE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.46.49.98 (talk) 15:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

... because nobody cares. —Preceding unsigned comment added by

Ronnie i heared this before he also possible near his converted to catholicism, but most like a rumor. It is shame how he off him in such a horrible way. (76.250.192.47 (talk) 21:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)) 206.107.151.204 (talk) 04:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Who cares about the descent? 224jeff6 (talk) 16:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Photo
you should get a better photo than that first one, he honestly looks like Jon Heder in that picture and its not just because of the hair--24.38.158.214 (talk) 06:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. -- 224jeff6 (talk) 15:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed a google images search found me these   so ya they're great bus basicly it just seems hard to find pictures of him; the whole band might be easier but wouldn't go with the article so didn't look for any Xor  24  talk to me 01:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

PS: i don't know if these are copyrighted or not

there is soooo many other photos of cobain that are not just found somewhere and there has to be a better photo that that one, with his LONG hair, honestly he looked better with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TJ Terry (talk • contribs) 02:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I really think we should just take that picture down, until someone submits a better one. He's not even recognizable in it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.32.50.134 (talk) 01:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fauxvictorian (talk • contribs) 02:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

When are we going to change the picture?

Spelling?
Most of the time "Cobain" is spelled "Kobain". Are you sure of which one of them is correct? 24.192.136.238 (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I searched the article (twice) and couldn't find "Kobain". But, yes, "Cobain" is the correct spelling. Scarian Call me Pat  22:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Must've been some typos, then when I saw that before. 24.192.136.238 (talk) 00:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

His official name was Cobain, everyone in his family used it like that, but he did use the pseudonyms/misspellings of "Curt Cobain", "Kurt Kobain" and "Kurdt Kobain".

Yeah I've read his biography and his birth name is "Kurt Cobain" but on the album Incesticide and on some autographs he used the pseudonym "Kurdt Kobain" because it was his way of distancing himself from the fame he achieved in his mind.

Missing person report
Just to elaborate my removing it -

I had a major problem with the editor's note that was included with what was there. Notes shouldn't be used to inject an opinion as to why something shouldn't be changed - they should only be used where some kind of overriding consensus exists.

"A person claiming to be Cobain's mother" still implies that it wasn't Cobain's mother, and the reality is that we don't have any idea who it was. Reliable sources (including Rolling Stone) say it was O'Connor. Grant says it wasn't. The available scan of the report has the submitter's name blacked out. While it might be notable that it claims that Cobain had a shotgun and might be suicidal, the fact that we don't know who wrote it renders it problematic - we don't know who's making the claim.

And it falls to the POV of his death. If O'Connor wrote it, then a member of Cobain's family was concerned that he was suicidal. If Love wrote it, then it could be (and has been) extrapolated to mean any a number of things.

In the grand scheme of things, that report is not notable enough in the timeline to justify the back and forth of its POV. If mentioning it is important, I suspect it ought to go in the Death article, where we can discuss the issues around it without expanding the timeline here and without injecting one POV over another. -- ChrisB (talk) 04:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Drug Addiction
The article claims that Cobain "overdosed the night of the first SNL performance." It states IN Azerrad's book, Come As You Are, that in fact it was a case of cotton fever, in which a stray strand of cotton from the tip of the needle is accidentally injected, resulting in sickness. Also, it happened before the taping of the show, and that's why Cobain's eyes appear "sunken in."

It's all in Come As You Are, and someone needs to update this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.241.122.118 (talk) 02:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

In the heavier than heaven biography it says he started smoking marijuana in the eighth grade and later in the book it talks about his addictions and I think it should be added to this sectionTJ Terry (talk) 23:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Heavier Than Heaven upcoming movie
I think that we should add some info in the Books and Films on Cobain section about his upcoming bio film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TJ Terry (talk • contribs) 02:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Gospel Mark IV
This guitar should added to kurt's notable guitars —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joecookeville (talk • contribs) 20:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Justice for Kurt
Apparently citations from this source are labeled as vandalism. Does this sound stupid to anyone else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoseInWinter (talk • contribs) 17:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree totally! i have put that citation in so many times and it tells me its vandalism.TJ Terry (talk) 23:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Shotgun inaccuracy
Please lose this, it says Kurt Cobain was found with a shotgun lying by his side, NOT TRUE. The police report states "there is a [shotgun] between the victim's legs with the barrell pointed towards his head and the left hand wrapped around the barrell." In no way can that be said to be lying at his side. 62.136.44.131 (talk) 03:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Grunge milestone
I wrote erroneously somewhere that Nirvana and PJ weren't grunge milestones. My bad, they were. Excuse me, Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Gregorik (talk) 11:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Artist
Just wanted to draw this into discussion.

Someone recently rewrote the first sentence to be "Kurt Cobain was an American musician and artist" (emphasis mine).

I don't think there's any argument that Cobain was an artist. My issue with the new version is this: Cobain is not widely recognized for his art. Many fans are aware that his art graces the cover of Incesticide and the back covers of Nevermind and In Utero. But his artwork isn't widely recognized beyond those few pieces, nor could most people identify him as the artist of those pieces. He was certainly an artist, but I'm not sure that the recognition for it is notable enough to warrant mention in the first sentence, particularly when the first sentence focuses so heavily on his music. (Regardless, vaguely citing HTH as a source for the statement is not suitable.)

Having said that, I do think it might be worth adding a short piece about his artistic endeavors, specifically about said cover artwork.

Just wanted to see how others felt. -- ChrisB (talk) 01:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Aritist is another word for musiciacan; It doesn't just apply to art (as in the drawing, painting, ect.). But I do agree that there should be a section about his artwork. In Journals, theres a lot of good samples that show his drawing talents. Ashleysayshello (talk) 15:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

New photo from Flikr

 * [[Image:2280174634 e098c79311 o.jpg]]

Its a freely used picture.

fn. 24
Probably the water at the hotel here in So Cal. That place used to be owned by a guy who also owned a nuclear waste disposal plant near Las Vegas. Kurt stayed on the 4th Floor next to the elevator as well. I've had a lot of stomach problems there too, but mostly I think they stem from the coffee (2 cups) I drink there every day. Some people, though, do get problems there rather frequently; and I've noticed, there is an unusual amount of brownish calcium buildup in the bottom of the pot in which I boil my water. The City of LA, of course, will never own up to the sundry health violations that they allow to go on at all times. If they did, there would be massive lawsuits filed against thier greedy butt. Anon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.134.110.154 (talk) 00:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC) Sorry about not signing, but that wouldn't be safe. I believe the name of the guy who owned the hotel was a Kishner, brother, son or cousin to the one-and-only Irwin Kishner, co-founder of Las Vegas itself. I'm not sure if Kurt lived there when Damacio Yberra Torres lived there in February 1993, the guy who shot up the LA County USC Hospital. He lived on the 4th floor too, but on the opposite side of the building. The LAPD said that Damacio's room was full of guns after they had to search it due to the homicide nature of his offense. That's what I thought was rather strange. I mean, why did he leave all those guns there, shouldn't he have distributed them to his fellow gang members?

The notes that Courtney wrote to Kurt were written on the backs of the so-called "notices" that the hotel has always had the habit of posting there (up until lately) [cf. the notes written by Courtney in "Journals"; you'll see they were often written on the back of something else]. If I get the time, I can scan one of those notes so you can see what the front of one of them looks like. No detective has ever talked to me though, which I also think is rather strange.

Anon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.134.110.154 (talk) 00:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

pronunciation
how do he's name is pronunciated correctly? 190.21.195.81 (talk) 03:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Being British, I've always pronounced Kurt's name as Cuh-bain, but most Americans usually pronounce his name as Co-bain. Sir Richardson (talk) 03:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

It's pronounced "Co-bain" in the UK! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.77.187 (talk) 19:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain movie
The movie--"Last Days" (2005) stared Michael Pitt in a reminiscent role of Kurt Cobain's life and career. How could Kurt walk around in his home, city and its area--without being mobbed by his fans? Is there someone who really knew Kurt Cobain at this time, that could add any information has to just how accurate that movie depicted his behavior and mental state? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.177.90.103 (talk) 15:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe Gus Van Sant was trying to "artfully" make his own interpretation. It is an extremely inaccurate movie in terms of Kurt's life. It seems like an Indie film without a cause.

The last days of Kurt's life were spent with him, alone in his head, wondering about the area. He doesn't look like a rockstar, especially in the state he was in, so he wasn't bothered.

Maybe if he had been, he'd still be with us today. R.I.P Kurt. --Thatpeachgirl7 (talk) 06:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Kurt and Mental Illness
I believe that there should be some mention if not a section on the fact that KC probably had bipolar disorder, anybody else agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SLTS91 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I would agree but I don't know how many verifiable sources there are out there on the subject. I think most people would agree that he at least suffered from depression, if not outright bipolar disorder, so I second the motion that there should be some mention of mental illness in the article. Halfempty85 (talk) 17:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Suicide Note
Some has included the text of Kurt's suicide note at the end of the "Musical Influences" section. First of all, I'm not sure if the text of the note should be included, abut if people want it to be, then it should probably be in a different section, perhaps "Cobain's final weeks and death," or removed and placed in the article Death of Kurt Cobain. Cadwaladr (talk) 01:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it seemed to come out of nowhere. I say move it. SLTS91 —Preceding comment was added at 08:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Stolen items from Courtney Love (June 2008)
I added this link, to the external links section. It is an auction for his ashes which were stolen from Love's home. Please remove it if it is inappropriate. Joanna.Licata (talk) 01:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Ha-ha are you kidding me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.76.42 (talk) 03:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

cobains family
Kurts family needs to be expanded. theres really nothing about his mother, father and sister. I dont even know which of them, if any are still alive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.129.81 (talk) 04:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Kurt is DEAD!
I compiled this e-zine, in 1994, based on postings to alt.music.nirvana (which had just been created) and articles submitted to me in the hours and days immediately after kurt's death. There's some good stuff in it. Wikipedia's guidelines don't allow me to submit it as an external link... and I'm not sure it belongs here or under the Kurt Cobain's Death article (which seems to have some controversy associated with it). In any case, I'd like to submit it for the consideration of others as worthy of being linked to - and the site I'm linking to here is not my own. kurt is DEAD! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tvleavitt (talk • contribs) 14:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I know for sure that Kim (his sister is still alive, I'm pretty sure both his parents are, but I'm not completely positive. Ashleysayshello (talk) 15:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Feminist?
Kurt always classed himself as Feminist, should he not therefore be placed into the Feminist artists category? 87.102.10.215 (talk) 22:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC) why kurt is dead —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.69.8.190 (talk) 14:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Legacy
Should we mention that Kurt Cobain enlisted as number 12 of Rolling Stone greatest guitarist of all time for his ambition and discipline and populating Alternative rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.76.42 (talk) 03:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Kurts ashes
It had been added to the article that kurts ashes have been stolen. This was added from a blog, and should be better sourced. But we can't assume his ashes were stolen, the KIRO TV news stated that "A representative of the Los Angeles Police Department said she could not find any police report about the matter." And this raises doubts about whether or not this is true. I think it would be okay to say that Courtney Love claims that his ashes were stolen, but not outright say they were since many media sources are remaining nuetral towards their belief in her claims. Look up the KIRO TV report and you'll get an idea of it all. QuirkyAndSuch (talk) 08:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

There are sources from The Guardian, Rolling Stone, Yahoo ,NME and MTV. Surely this is enough to add it to the page? Rolphing (talk) 19:19, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * FYI the first and second sources link to the exact same guardian article. But anyway here's the links to the MTV article and the NME article. AngelOfSadness  talk  19:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol Oops, fixed that now. Rolphing (talk) 01:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Instruments
kurt has said in interviews that he can play bass. There is a video m youtube playing drums (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4BF67pvsc). He is also credited for perussion on a melvins track. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.60.203 (talk) 22:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Left Handed
Isn't Kurt Cobain a left handed guitarist? I don't see any mention of it in the article.Chosen One 41 (talk) 04:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Atheist/Buddhist?
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Perhaps he should be added to the American Atheist and American Buddhist categories? Sir Richardson (talk) 06:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have never read anything to indicate that he was an atheist. I am aware that he was interested in eastern religions, but I am not aware of a formal conversion on his part. If you can find a reliable source to be included in the article, then by all means go for it, but don't do it until you can prove it. Asarelah (talk) 16:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Kurt was christian because in cross's biography it said in his diaries that he was a devout christian. 75.162.143.16 (talk) 20:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Kurt was a Christian for a short while in his youth, he then rejected Christianity and became a Satanist instead, I doubt he was still a Satanist during his time in Nirvana, but he did show some interest in Buddhism, but some sources have alleged him to be an Atheist



He was very confused. Sir Richardson (talk) 14:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * heh, too right. No religious/atheist categories for Cobain, unless something highly unlikely turns up like a super secret diary.--EchetusXe (talk) 00:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

During his time in Nirvana before they became famous, Kurt watched a daytime special on Jianism and adopted many of their values and claimed to be Jianist but had full belief in Jesus as is seen in a picture with him in front of a Jesus Christ sign —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirvana1994 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Suicide
It says on the article that "apart from a little blood coming out of his ear there was no sign of trauma" which is a lie. in fact, the gunshot wound to his head was so bad that his head was not recognizable. they had to find out his identity from his fingerprints. look it up on google, the actual picture is there and not the one where it just shows his leg in the corner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.27.16.163 (talk) 22:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

That autopsy picture of Cobain is a fake. - PHX606 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.86.94 (talk) 18:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You found a picture on the internet and you think that it nullifies what was in the official police reports? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.249.239 (talk) 04:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

A shotgun blast to the head would do more than a little blood. 97.102.154.152 (talk) 17:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

yea, the report states that he died from a self-inflicted shotgun wound to the head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.18.206 (talk) 23:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

guitars kurt used
kurt used a univox hi flier at early shows. we should put that in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.216.240.88 (talk) 14:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Drums and Bass in instruments section
He played drums and played bass, they should be added, with maybe (rarely) or (sporadically) at the end of each. Sir Richardson (talk) 14:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Marriage section and "Namesake"
The child (Frances Bean Cobain) is the nameskake of Frances McKee, rather than vice versa as written. See definition for namesake. This should be corrected. 72.92.12.47 (talk) 20:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you see a mistake like that, go ahead and change it, you don't need to go on the talk page to do so. Anyway, I fixed it. Asarelah (talk) 05:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. 72.92.12.47 (talk) 17:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Journals
Er.. shouldn't it say that Kurt generally didn't date his entries instead of "Cross generally didn't date them"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.58.125 (talk) 12:37, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --jh51681 (talk) 02:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Genre(s)
We all know that Kurt played hardcore punk and noise rock when Fecal Matter existed too. then, why are only listed alternative and grunge on the info box?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garage kid (talk • contribs) 16:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Source it with reliable sources and gain a consensuson this page. Utan Vax (talk) 21:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Conspiracy
It's pretty clear we need a Conspiracy section and not just lumped under 'Death'. Also, the info concerning the book Love & Death is a bit misleading. Anyone who has read the book should realize that it is not like the first book, 'Who Killed Kurt'. Instead, Love & Death pretty much implicates a certain individual. It should be okay to approach that as long as it is done professionally. BoyintheMachine (talk) 03:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Incesticide?
I saw no mention of the album Incesticide anywhere in this article...did I miss it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.61.193.128 (talk) 20:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Theater?
I don't beleive that. What's written in that section sounds pretty dumb, and there aren't any refs about it. - 97.102.154.152 (talk) 18:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Bisexual
He was definitely bi. He said, in an interview, that if he hadn't met Courtney Love, he "would probably have carried on a bisexual lifestyle". It is stated on his NNDB profile:. Even if he ceased sexual activity with males permanently after he met Love, the fact remains that he had been actively bisexual before then, and that he remained bisexual in orientation - Love didn't turn him heterosexual. His bisexuality should be mentioned on the article; bi and LGBT categories should be applied. Werdnawerdna (talk) 02:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As oft stated, NNDB is not considered a reliable source and thus cannot be used to support facts in articles or in support of points in discussions. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I think there should be
so much more stuff commemorating how amazing he was and there should be a mention of how many people are obsessed ewith him and read his journals. he is my hero, I am obsessed with him and i think he deserves a better article than this. the article doesn't even begin to describe him. Irish ♥ forever (and lovin' it)  15:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia needs to keep everything neutral :-) - The article does have a legacy section that does touch upon how popular he was (here). Hope this helps! Utan Vax (talk) 16:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * yea i agree, the Wikipedia job is to just provide you with information,its not supposed to have a bias twards its subject, or else people would not want to read anymore 99.255.18.206 (talk) 23:18, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

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Whoever reads this, please add drums to Cobain's instruments, per the first bit of this. Thank you 205.200.18.71 (talk) 03:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * We tend to leave it to instruments musicians are primarily known for (e.g. Grohl has played piano on previous Foo records, but he's not world-famous for it) Scarian Call me Pat!  07:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Padlock-bronze-slash2.svg Not done: is not required for edits to  unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. Stifle (talk) 10:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Poet?
According to Kurt's death report, he was a poet as well as a musician, ,

Should poet be added to his list of occupations? It also claims his field of work was "Punk rock", so maybe his validates Nirvana also being a punk band? Sir Richardson (talk) 11:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Nirvana is clearly more punk influenced than Alice in Chains, Soundgarden or Pearl Jam, for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.148.246.254 (talk) 18:39, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Kurt definitely played Punk Rock. Alternative rock is a sub category of punk, as is grunge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ISeriouslyNeedALife (talk • contribs) 22:02, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Cause of Death
It says that there was no trauma, and that apart from his ears bleeding, he looked fine, but in fact, he shot himself in the head with a shotgun. hi was unrecognizable.2~4~2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.18.206 (talk) 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, that's not true. There were rumours that he was unrecognisable, but this was apparently due to the fact that a photograph showed his driving licence propped up against his body for identification, but this was later claimed to be a coincidence, and that it had just been 'put there' by a detective, with no ID intent. Other reports said that his 'instantly recognisable' face was fully intact. I don't have the source for this, but it is definitely out there somewhere. I don't think the link provided above is at all reliable, it looks to be a fansite. Sky83 (talk) 10:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

RESPONSE:

Actually you can search for a scanned copy of "kurt cobain death certificate" and it says "self inflicted shotgun wound" and the other section says "contact perforating shotgun wound to head"  Sooooooooo   just google that, as it seems every one has a copy these days and you will see you are 100% wrong.

Here's One: Kurt death certificate-mandatory  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voidenter (talk • contribs) 03:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You can't possibly make a determination of that nature from the death certificate. Produce a medical examiners report and you have yourself a deal, we'll put some info from that in here, but I think you will find that his face was intact. The back of his head was no doubt a mess, but from witness reports, his face was, for a 72 hours plus corpse, relatively good. For the purposes of the article though, this isn't really a detail that is going to change much. If you can find a report that proves his face was badly messed up, go ahead and report it here, I have absolutely no objections, but you can't base that on a death certificate, you need some kind of autopsy/crime scene report. Sky83 (talk) 09:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Someone edited the words 'ear', 'shotgun' and 'chin' in the death section to become 'vagina', 'dildo' and 'vagina' respectively. Please Fix? Would do it myself but not very experienced (ie. couldn't find the edit link :P). Thanks.

His feud with Axl Rose isn't mentioned?
I find that a bit odd, since not only is it mentioned in Axl Rose's article, it even has its own section. If it's notable enough to be mentioned in Rose's article, surely it should notable enough to mention it on Cobain's article? --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 01:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably true, it should be mentioned, but then Axl Rose had feuds with everyone at some point or another, he has never been a particularly happy bunny, let's face it. Sky83 (talk) 10:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, he's had so many public feuds that there is now an article just about them: Axl Rose feuds and rivalries. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:15, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

kurt is not gay
But he is an excellent marksman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knifecarrier (talk • contribs) 12:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Bold text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.243.116.189 (talk) 23:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Bad/Insufficient Pictures
The pictures in this article really don't seem to represent Kurt Cobain fully. There are only 2 pictures in the whole article; one of them is of him as a kid and you can barely see his face in the other. That picture is also used in the Nirvana article and it should be replaced on that article too. I suggest using one of the following photos as the main image:

 or  or 

The last one may need to be cropped a little but otherwise, they would all be suitable. I just think the article of such an influential person should have more pictures, and pictures where you can actually see his face properly. If someone had never heard of Kurt Cobain and they went on this article, they probably wont find out what he looked like even after reading the whole article. --Omarraii (talk) 20:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

If you're sure those pictures aren't copyrighted, which I'm fairly sure they are, then go ahead. Sir Richardson (talk) 21:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I would change it myself, except I'm not very good at editing (especially when adding images). I would be very grateful if somebody who knows what they're doing adds the pictures to the article. --Omarraii (talk) 13:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Date of death
Do we really need the 'c.' April 5, 1994. Isn't the coroner's verdict "official" enough to remove the small 'c'? Ohconfucius (talk) 06:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * For the purposes of this article, I would agree. The JPS talk to me  23:50, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Copycat Suicides
I think something should be mentioned in this article about the 62 (?) copycat suicides that started after Kurt died.

i.e. 'his death was taken very badly by his fans, this prompted a series of 62(?) copycat suicides.'

Just at the end of his death section, just my thoughts but what do you think? DavidJ1082 —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidJ1082 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The Tag
The "ain't got no whatchamallit" (or something) forgots that each T was four times bigger than the other letters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.148.246.254 (talk) 12:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

typo
"Cobain has found dead wearing a t-shirt of the noise rock band Half Japanese.[41]" It should say 'was found dead,' not 'has found dead.'

Fixed. Jacob Richardson (talk) 21:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The Day Seattle Died
The song "The Day Seattle Died" by Cold should be mentioned in the legacy section as a tribute to both him and Layne Stanley. Xx Dinkus xX (talk) 22:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain died on April 8th, not April 5th. and damn he wasn't gay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary.k.93 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

A coroner determined his time of death. A coroner uses scientific methods to find out TOD, there's no guesswork about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.5.179 (talk) 22:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

typo
Please change the sentence in Early Life from:

Cobain was friends with a homosexual student at his high school school, sometimes suffering bullying from homophobic students who concluded that Cobain was gay.

to:

Cobain was friends with a homosexual student at his high school, sometimes suffering bullying from homophobic students who concluded that Cobain was gay.

Drmars (talk) 05:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Done—SpaceFlight89 05:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Legacy
Someone should add that Rolling Stone Magazine columnist David Fricke said after his death that he was the John Lennon of his generation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moose 891 (talk • contribs) 08:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Divorce and other things not mentioned?
Why is the pending divorce with Courtney Love not mentioned, the fact that Kurt Cobain's credit card was used after April 5th, when they concluded that he had died, that he was injected with 3 times the lethal dose of heroine and then shot himself?

These are all facts, but they remain untalked about in your article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.61.183 (talk) 17:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Animosity, not Amnosity
The article discusses Kurt's "amnosity" with his band and Axl Rose. I think the word is "animosity." The wording is a little wonky as well. Typically animosity is between two people or towards an individual, not "from" or "to." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.3.160 (talk) 21:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

page not locked
26 october 2009 6:42 am, this page is finnally not locked from editing, now i just wanted to see how long it will be before this page is officially locked again. It seems like the coolest thing for a celebrity to have is a locked page, i have a theory the advertising companies have something to do with this as i read a tabloid article today that was talking about a celebrity punk rocker who was trying to be rebellious, and the headline said something like  too extreme for the internet....being censored on wikipedia!!. So if this page comes under protection fairly soon this will fuel my suspicions. hmm...(if anyones wondering, yes i have a lot of free time since i was made redundant) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.222.11 (talk) 06:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Death on April 4

 * Kurt Cobain died sometime in the evening of April 4 in order to associate himself with double #4, it's important somebody points that out as he has not been seen after April 3. As far as blood goes, murder & other bs I say put those rumors to rest for good. Love did not kill him.

She hired Tom detective who only overcharges people, you cant even talk to him without a fee, but that's how lawyers are, pathetic, cheap!

She only said contradictory statements where she was what she was doing, even managed to ger herself arrested, she is never on point since she was born. As far as why there is no blood? Hey, wake up, he was lying there for 4 days and blood will dissipate pretty fast, certainly weather is humid in this part of the world. so over time, liquids dry up. Simple as that. His mistake (except killin himself) was not leaving note with exact time.


 * This seems to be an issue for the Death of Kurt Cobain page. mheart (talk) 21:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Introduction
The second paragraph of the article's introduction is merely copy and pasted from Nirvana's article and edited slightly to refer to Cobain individually. We must write a new one entirely about his career as a musician and with Nirvana. Sir Richardson (talk) 16:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Page structure
Hello!

I've added in some structuring. The new sections for Kurt's marriage, health, the birth of Frances Bean Cobain, et cetera are all a part of this process. The later sections in this article need to continue the process since those sections are very lengthy reads. We can also possibly cull down on the Death section since there's already an article specifically on it.

mheart (talk) 21:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Grammar Error
In the third paragraph of the section titled "Lyricial and artistic content," "effected" should be replaced by "affected". To effect means to do; to affect means to influence. 19towerapt35 (talk) 17:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Origin of the Cobain family.
I believe Kurt was mistaken about the true origin of his family. Cobain is a perfectly legitimate surname in Northern Ireland. It is not very common however. I am not sure if it is a pure Irish surname or of Scottish origin. It looks Scottish, however, and all Cobains listed in the 1911 Irish Census are Protestant, so I would suggest the latter is more likely. Also, in Heavier than Heaven, it is stated that the Cobains emigrated from Co. Tyrone around 1875. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.13.204.194 (talk) 22:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say it's uncommon, there are a quite high number of Cobains in some upper-class protestant parts of Northern Ireland

No-on-Nine Link
Please wikify the No-on-Nine word in the "Nirvana" section to point to the Oregon Ballot Measure 9 (1992) article. 24.21.10.30 (talk) 20:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC) So Kurt is wrong and you're right. I'm from Ireland and have a Scottish last name but my family have lived here for over 400 years so I'M IRISH! Good God, do Scots/Northern Irish have to claim everything Irish as theirs. And what has religion got to do with anything?! You can't be Irish if you're a protestant? Jesus wept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bannerc (talk • contribs) 08:20, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

The imaginary friend of Kurt Cobain. It's origin goes all the way back to when Kurt was a kid, he was the prime suspect for the torture of his neighbour's cat, but when asked about it he said that Boddah did it. Also, Kurt Cobain never wrote a suicide note to Boddah, or any suicide note for that matter. If you were to read into it, the suicide note had no mention of him killing himself or anything about suicide until the end, but the end had a different handwriting than Kurt's. Also, Courtney Love was found with handwriting samples of Kurt's and what looked like practice hand writing of hers that matched that of the suicide note. Also, how is someone with that much heroin in their system supposed to be able to have the coordination to pull a shotgun trigger with their foot with their shoe on? MURDER!

Left-handed
Evidenced in photos, Kurt was a left-hander who played his guitars upside-down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcmagiccracker (talk • contribs) 03:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Citation Request
I see someone issued a citation request for the statement: ...Cobain has been regarded by many journalists and listeners as one of the greatest musicians of his generation, his groundbreaking influence enduring to this day. Frankly, it's hard to imagine how this couldn't be accepted as a given, but we have to think ahead 100 years when Nirvana's effect on music isn't as readily apparent. In fact, with dozens of reputable sources declaring Cobain and Nirvana analagous to the Beatles/Elvis/Michael Jackson/etc. in their influence on music, I don't see any reason why this claim can't be punched up a bit (ie. ...as one of the most influential musicians in history... ). We should probly toss up atleast 3 sources with such a statement though.

On an unrelated matter, I clearly remember a journalist describing Cobain as 'the reluctant spokesperson of generation X'. Since I read it (years ago), I've always considered it a profoundly accurate summary of his personality and legacy. It would be fantastic if someone could track down the source and incorporate it into the lead somehow. Great work on the article to this point though. --K10wnsta (talk) 03:49, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your input, this article frankly does not at all have enough of it. It's very much a shame to see the article of such a prodigus figure, in the context of popular music, to be so undermining of himself and his work. I agree with your sentiments on the lead, which in my opinion needs to be written entirely, as far too much of it consists of only copied and pasted text from Nirvana's. Sir Richardson (talk) 15:08, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Family Background
The article currently states "Despite being raised by working-class parents, his family had a musical background." This is strange and pretty offensive. Can I suggest "Cobain was raised by working-class parents, and his family had a musical background." PS I am a novice and not sure if this is the right way to add a topic to this page. Didn't see any "Add topic" button... 140.163.0.5 (talk) 19:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

You are correct. Reworded. You can create a new section on talk pages by clicking on the new section tab at the top of the page. Sir Richardson (talk) 20:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, it was just sitting there staring at me, wasn't it? 140.163.0.5 (talk) 20:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
I have everything there is to know about Kurt Cobain - verifiable information. This article desperately needs to be expanded, as it's not receiving the attention it rightfully deserves. I will be more than happy to include everything for books, videos and more if allotted.

75.170.75.250 (talk) 06:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Great. I suggest that you get a user account, and after a few days, you can edit it yourself. Failing that, please use the semi-protected edit request, but you must give a specific "change X to Y" and supply references.  Chzz  ►  07:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
change X to Y. I have created a user account. I am ready to edit this article when given permission. I have references that range from the acclaimed books "Cobain Unseen", "Heavier than Heaven", "Journals" and "Come As You Are", and videos that include "Nirvana: Live! Tonight! Sold Out!" and "Classic Albums: Nevermind". Seeing as these all include factual information from Kurt's bandmates, Courtney Love, noted biographers Michael Azerrad and Charles Cross, record producers and recorders (Butch Vig, Steve Albini, Jack Endino), and Kurt himself, I have a distinct feeling that I have what it takes to make this article much more accurate. I also aspire to note the significance of his short career and point out the musical impact he made that still effects the world today.

Sunriserevolution (talk) 18:39, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Please detail an exact change and provide the exact source information. If you want to wait until your account is 4 days old and has 10 edits, that's fine as well.  fetch  comms  ☛ 20:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Bannerc, 1 April 2010
Kurt's ancestors are described as coming from Tyrone in 1875 which is a county in Ireland. Someone has added (which is now part of Northern Ireland, United Kingdom). The part in brackets is political mischief and is an insult to Kurt's Irish ancestors. They were Irish and left IRELAND, not Northern Ireland/United Kingdom. He was of Irish extraction and not from the UK! Someone is playing politics. Please be so kind as to remove this from the paragraph...: (which is now part of Northern Ireland, United Kingdom). Thank You!

Sign me, Proud Irishman!

Bannerc (talk) 08:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Changed to "county Tyrone of Northern Ireland". Northern Ireland here denotes the geographical location, not the political entity. --JokerXtreme (talk) 09:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 94.168.44.59, 11 April 2010
editsemiprotected

Near the end it says Dave grohl would say Kurt believed music game first, lyrics later... You can see Kurt actually say this himself in a video interview, so there is no need to say it comes from Dave Grohl. It should say, "Kurt once said in a video interview that...."

94.168.44.59 (talk) 03:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Until we have a source for this, there is not a need to change the article. Please let us know when you have a good source, and we will make the change. (I haven't seen the video.)
 * Avicenna sis @ 04:09, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I had a good look on the internet, and couldn't find an appropriate reliable source either.  Chzz  ►  04:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Was Paris, Texas his favorite film?
The article for the film mentions that Cobain once called Paris, Texas his all-time favorite. Is there a source for this? (Great movie, by the way.) 207.255.127.59 (talk) 23:51, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Possible replacement photo
200px| This photograph might be a good replacement, but I can't find the name of the author. Saberwolf116 (talk) 01:12, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Removed category LGBT rights activists from the United States
Are there any sources for this inclusion? TIA --Tom (talk) 16:59, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Cobain stated in interviews he supported gay rights. He stated he began to be "proud of the fact that I was gay, even if I wasn't" and told people on the incesticide liner notes "At this point I have a request for our fans. if any of you in any way hate homosexuals, people of different color, or women, please do this one favor for us - please us the fuck alone! Don't come to our shows and don't buy our records."


 * He should be restored to LGBT rights activists in the United States. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.69.10 (talk • contribs)


 * Sources describing him as such would go a long way to restoring that category. --Tom (talk) 16:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * the incesticide linear notes and Kurt Cobain About a Son Also i think it is mentioned in his journals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.73.17 (talk) 03:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Samysabh, 27 May 2010
The widespread success of Nirvana's Nevermind showed to influence the fans with such a convincing force that record sales for Nirvana's debut album entitled, Bleach, released on October 14, 1991.

Samysabh (talk) 17:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Spigot Map  17:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Lithium
The phrase << The song "Lithium" is about Cobain's experience with the Reeds >> is incorrect. Lithium is not about his experience with the Reeds - Cobain said the narrative was fictional but possibly inspired in part by the time he spent living with the Reeds. - Lek 15:08, 2 January 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.53.74.33 (talk)

Bass Guitar
Ive seen a picture of Kurt Cobain playing Bass Guitar so shouldnt that be put into the Instruments section?? this is the picture http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YyWDE_zaOs0/SYYtZvcifEI/AAAAAAAAAC8/ntgPs0bdjeQ/s320/beatles-nirvana-kurt.jpg im adding Bass into the section anyway Megabar09 (talk) 17:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC) I have seen sombody has taken Bass off?? but he had one that he bought to record Demo tracks at his aunte's house. Megabar09 (talk) 16:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC) Ok im going to put a notice on Genre's saying  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megabar09 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Cobain was primarily a guitarist, not a bassist or drummer. We don't list every instrument he ever picked up. --CAVincent (talk) 02:07, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes ok fair dues on that, we dont have to add Bass then. But Dave Grohl has bass in his instruments so Kurt should have Drums. He played Drums in a Nirvana song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4BF67pvsc see for yourself Megabar09 (talk) 17:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, stop deleting Drums from the instruments section, Krist Novoselic has Guitar, Dave Grohl has Bass because of that song so surly Kurt should have Drums. Megabar09 (talk) 22:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

And also, Kurt and Krist made a Creedence Clearwater Revival cover band and Kurt played Drums. Megabar09 (talk) 22:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Megabar I agree that this does not need to be added. Cobain was known specifically as a guitarist and singer. Please stop edit warring and discuss this. - 4twenty42o (talk) 22:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

This does need to be added, he played a whole song on Drums! Krist Novoselic has Guitar because of this song. Seasons In The Sun. He plays Drums, Krist on Guitar and Dave on Bass. And if you look at Krist Novoselic's Wiki page it clearly states him and Kurt had a CCR Cover band and Kurt was on drums! 81.96.254.143 (talk) 01:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

He played drums for fun on one song... so what? Kurt was not a drummer nor a bassist. Should I be considered a singer because I sang a song with a few friends around a fire? no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.41.90.243 (talk) 03:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Kurt starting with drums, he was much more interested in drums than guitar. He played drums at school, I've seen a picture of. He started playing guitar because he couldn't sing and play drums together. I've read that in numerous articles and books. This a well-known and established fact. If it's a biography about Kurt Cobain, you would be ridiculous for not mentionning it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.199.61.23 (talk) 21:50, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain is not homosexual!
Its true that he said he was bisexual until he married Courtney Love until 1992 but he was never homosexual.When he was in High School a friend he met was homosexual he didnt know at first but he noticed that other students looked at him wierd in the hallways since he started hanging out with his new friend and he watch him get picked on a lot he would protect him. One night his friend made a move on him and he was shocked and pushed him away.The days afterwards he wouldn't talk to him after that since it was just plain akward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.243.116.189 (talk) 23:42, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure, Kurt "wasn't" homosexual... so what? 190.47.101.146 (talk) 19:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nobody said he was homosexual. And he never said he actually was bisexual, he said he could be bisexual. Asarelah (talk) 01:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right, he wasn't homosexual, he was bisexual - MrGuy

You don't know that he was bisexual. He contradicted himself and lied a lot. He said that he COULD be bisexual, and liked to lead people on. He french kissed Chris on stage to annoy homophobes and he definitely liked the idea of gayness or bisexuality as some kind of form of rebellion. But you can't say that "he was bisexual" because there is no proof of that. Wikipedia should just post his quotes and let the reader decide for themselves.


 * That Cobain "liked the idea of gayness or bisexuality as some kind of form of rebellion" may be true but understates the point, I think. He wasn't just taking a "hip" stance; he was actively on the side of gays, standing up against prejudice. Anyone who hates gays should hate him, too, which I think was his larger point. --CAVincent (talk) 15:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Cobain said that he "began to become really proud of being gay even though he wasn't"; I'm not 100% on when this was but I'm sure that it was around about the time he was following The Melvins and in the very early days of Nirvana --Connelly90&#91;AlbaGuBràth&#93; (talk) 13:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

This is all kind of sad. I guess I thought Nirvana fans would by and large be more open minded here and it wouldn't be so contested that Kurt Cobain once said, "If not for Courtney, I probably would've carried on with a bisexual lifestyle." While Kurt never apparently uttered the exact words "I am bisexual," that statement right there implies that he had indeed carried on a bisexual lifestyle before meeting Courtney Love. And it should be noted that this comment was not at random; it was a comment made to The Advocate, the nation's biggest gay and lesbian magazine, for the cover story on Kurt Cobain. He also did utter the words that he was "gay in spirit." Further, in 1992 he provided support for the "No on 9" campaign for the anti-gay ballot in Oregon called Measure 9. It's interesting that despite all of this, there is no mention of his bisexuality -- or at least his allegiance to the LGBT community -- in this article. I hadn't realized some people were so homophobic. http://pioneergrrrl.tripod.com/advocateinterview.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.75.30 (talk) 07:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, in the official come as your are biography, he claims he was misquoted and that he wasn't actually bi. Not that it matters. Asarelah (talk) 17:15, 28 November 2011 (UTC)